Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
1 more for insta?
1 more for insta?
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
stop0 posting
Originally posted by CharuComment
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
final votecounts - an insta has been reached
Votes from post 1 to post 1532
Night in 0:02:58
---- Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
- 8 -- MrPopadopalis25 -- j-rodd123 (161), storn42 (49), _Zenith_ (235), AragakiAyase (162), DaBackpack (216), Charles Claythorne (85), Charu (117), Nighthawk252 (88)
- 3 -- Charles Claythorne -- MrPopadopalis25 (90), Funnygurl555 (86), freakysnots (23)
- 1 -- unvote -- lurker (102)
- 1 -- not voting -- roundbox (4)
:00 good :01 badLast edited by YoshL; 08-6-2015, 07:58 PM.
Originally posted by CharuComment
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
After the most amount of coding that's ever been done in the history of FFR during a day 0
One person gets kicked off of the coding team for being exessively trolly
MrPopadopalis25 has been lynched
He was a JESTER
MrPopadopalis25 HAS WON!!!!!!
and the game continues.
Night 1 will end in 24 hours, at 10 PM EST (8/7/2015), or 9 PM Server time.
Please get your PMs in to me, and remember, Natural Action Resolution is your friend for dealing with night actions.Last edited by YoshL; 08-6-2015, 08:02 PM.
Originally posted by CharuComment
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
It is daytime, and the coding can resume. However, looks like the sysadmin allowed some rogue command(s) to go through...
In the night
AragakiAyase has died. He was the Inspector.
Day[1] coding will end in 48 hours, or until an insta occurs (8/9/2015) at 10 PM EST (9 PM Server)
Insta is at 7 for this phase
Originally posted by CharuComment
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
lol gg
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
alright storn, did you use your vigi on AA? Or was this the work of the wolves/SK?Originally posted by MixMasterLarOriginally posted by the sun fan
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
1. Funnygurl555 - Final Guess: Inspector
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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 View Post
Usually Charu makes a lot of joke posts early in TWGs, and this game he was noticeably quieter.
It's just weird because this is an act he can keep up as VT, PR, and wolf. I was wondering if Charu rolled third party this game or something or if this is just an attempt of his to change his play style.
I'll look at more stuff while I'm awake I guess. Can't sleep. Ugh.
This is her first post mentioning her fear of Charu; and she acknowledges this fear by saying he can perform this way as any alignment and is already sanctioned a read on him due to her own fear of him.
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Yeah those are more the type of posts that I was expecting him to make since Page 1, and his subsequent posts don't seem all that bad either. The fact that he waited so long to post normally does make me believe that he's up to something though =/
Nawk asks her to reread his posts in the midsection of page 7, in which she replies with this. She explicitly states that his subsequent posts past that point "don't seem all that bad", thereby she still continues to hold fear of Charu even if she's getting what she wants out of him at that point.
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morning
yeah it's pretty normal. you weren't in 138 when other people pinged me out for it so i guess it makes sense why you'd try now.
those posts i linked were awkward though. makes no sense to post them, really. you essentially just claimed non-VT. why would we do that here?
i didnt roll seer =(
Regardless of my not being in 138, it makes sense her saying that I would now be using what I said as a form of prodding with her, but she never mentions what I said afterwards and ignores it entirely.
She posts she didn't roll seer, yet her first four posts are entirely about the seer and that she is it, or that she opened the game up with telling lurker storn could be a cop (shitpost, but still valuable). I really cannot see Funny being a seer at this time because why would she start the game off softclaiming it and then try to defer away from the idea as if wolves weren't paying attention to what she was saying.
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i don't believe it ill be real I don't get why he'd try to claim anything
and you know what guys there isn't even a seer in this setup there's an inspector =)))))
And then there is this post which relives her softclaiming of seer, calling it the actual name of inspector.
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ok this re reading isn't happening I seriously can't truck through the zenith/AA fighting
A faint glimmer of pureness, however her unwillingness to read the first major turning point of the game/phase is incredibly forced because it isn't as horrendous as she is putting it, and loses town points here.
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no I'm not I know there's a hated townie this game but look you're either hated towny or special role when before you had the potential to be anything
Yet another soft at being a Town PR (in this case the Investigator) as she states she knows there is a hated townie this game.
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j-rodd please save me im the seer
There's no fucking way she isn't the nightkill target/cult conversion target tonight
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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 View Post
its because im the INSPECTOR
and
Holy fuck isolating her is just way too fucking obvious for her alignment/role and it pisses me off
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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 View Post
not enough info yo
waiting on mashi + freakysnots + storn to post more. don't have enough on plop tbh
townreading dbp again but i feel like everyone would here
Weird how she waits for players to post more, outs she doesn't have enough info on a few players, and a townread on DBP. Strangely, she has only touched up on certain players like Jrodd, Choof/Roundbox, and Storn and went hard tunnel onto myself and lurker.
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im a lil late but lurker is a hated townie?
IM SAVED
Okay during this iso session I was going to either rule her as Inspector or VT baiting her death to save PRs but now it's just too obvious that she is in fact the Inspector, and she realizes in this exact post that there is a confirmed doctor in the game, giving her a very nice situation for the time being, except she never hardclaimed after this but I don't think the actual doctor is incapable of reading this obvious soft.
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choof where is your big post
also we can't kill jrodd hes the doctor =(((
Imposes the idea of choof lacking in reads, also strongly reads Jrodd is the doctor, however if her read is true then she outed the doctor, and there is no protection from a conversion/kill on the doctor due to this factor of funny outing the doctor.
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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 View Post
lurker could just be maddo
he was woof partners with storn last game, and storn attempted to fake-claim cop and was caught and lynched
town won so
i'm not too worried about charu's lack of substantial posts because now i'm kinda seeing what i expected of him d0. idk though i also can't read charu so why am i trying
@nighthawk yeeeeeeaaaaaah, atypical. i was on a phone. aa already got on my case for that one
Such a lazy post imo. Also very contradictory when she mentions Charu; how could her fear turn into the inability to read him? How can she state "I'm not too worried about charu" when she outed such a fear for him early on and stuck by that fear? I would assume Charu is her night check.
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He knows what he's doing. Charus really capable as a player and I feel like what I pinged him out for earlier was just too obvious of a catch for someone like him
I wouldn't mind seeing him gone for that but it would be a waste to do it before he posts anything of real substance
Iso'd just to say this post is now entirely irrelevant and her read should have changed because of that.
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Cool this does not take into account things past like page... 50.
2. _Zenith_ I have no choice but to tentatively accept Zenith's claim.
3. Nighthawk252: I'll be real, I'm afraid of you because from what I've heard about you, you're a pretty great TWG'er. You're apparently acting within your meta though.
At first, I was leaning towards disliking your posts because you were in commentary mode, but recently you've made an effort of interacting with townies. On top of that, I like your reads. So there we go
Also the blue sunglasses smiley emoticon thingy you use for like half your posts makes me laugh rofl
4. freakysnots: freakysnots? Eh, I don't know what to think of him. He hasn't provided much except for saying that we should lynch Zenith. That's safe, sure, but I don't get why he wasn't stressing a NK as much. I kinda agree that there's no present harm with keeping Zenith around for ####. I believe him when he says that he wants to fight with the town too; prolly something Zenith would do.
That said, he's not a safe lynch. He simply hasn't posted enough for us to have good information on him. If he rolls town, then what?
5. AragakiAyase: Alright, so I'm thinking AA's third party. I don't think he's a wolf because his interactions with others in the thread suggest that he doesn't have teammates to support him. He's like... fighting everyone.
Posts like these are, as aforementioned, pretty incriminating though.
He apparently withholds information unless asked to provide it as well, which leads me to believe that he is to an extent conjuring up new information when defending himself
For example, this, i don't buy this
Also wasn't buying his reasoning on j-rodd so I mean there we go
His frustration with how people read him was something I saw in his last game where he was town; I'm not sure if he would be frustrated enough to stop posting and sleep last night if we were right about him.
6. MrPopadopalis25: There isn't anything that I dislike about his posts. He disagreed with me on the Charu thing, sure, but that's not incriminating at all that just means WE HAVE DIFFERENT MINDS
Also pretty bad at reading him anyway because he posts so carefully stop it
7. DaBackPack: Easily not a wolf. Shouldn't die today. Thinking he's straight up town.
this seemed very natural, and like half of his posts seem to mention how frustrated he is with jesters, which again seems very town-sided to want to ping them out and avoid them.
8. lurker: Peeps don't attempt to counterclaim someone unless they're right or have a death wish. Lurker could be the jester. Lurker could be a hated townie
Either way, lurker doesn't die.
9. j-rodd123: Thinking j-rodd isn't a wolf here. He seems to be pretty paranoid about who to label as #lockclear, and as a wolf he usually can post a lot but won't be at the forefront of major decisions in a phase. Could be a third party; could be town
10. choof/roundbox: Was thinking choof was town based on tone, but he seemed to disappear a bit later on in the game, although that may have not been his fault
Choof's slot is pretty clean though, but I might wait on roundbox to play the game before diving any further
11. Charu: I don't think Charu is town here, and as a wolf his behavior is fishy enough to get him caught. I'm thinking there's a good chance he's third party. Wouldn't mind seeing him gone since we'll probably worry about him a lot more in later phases.
12. Charles Claythorne: I can't read Mashi =(
He seems too quick to give off town reads though. I'm not sure how serious Mashi was about that but I would imagine that in a game like this people would be more wary about who to give off townie passes to.
He's also been mostly playing in commentary mode this phase. That makes it really easy to hide as a wolf. I wouldn't mind seeing Mashi gone to be honest, but maybe not off of what I have now.
13. storn42: Don't think storn rolled wolf here. Even though peeps were worried about him earlier in the phase *and* lurker did that entire thingamajig with fakeclaiming wolf, he was really calm and reacted well to pressure.
For that reason I would think he's a town lean, but he hasn't done enough for me to neglect the chance that he could be a third party. He also hasn't interacted much with the rest of the town, so I don't have much data points for that
For what it's worth though, he's also concerned with avoiding jesters, meaning he wants a productive lynch.
Cool I'm done that was terrible but I mean what can I do I took a nap in the middle of this reads list. I'm still sleepy but you know gotta make it to EOD.
While I'm at it, I should mention this before EOD: if I make it to next day phase, I have a cousin from Australia coming to visit for the weekend and I need to pay attention to him, so there's a chance I might not be around as much as you guys would like.
Her reads list from near end of EoD. Ha...HAHAHA would you look at that? Her read on charu turns from her having a feeling of fear about him, to unable to read, "why am I trying"; and lastly "probably third-party", and her reasoning behind her read is nonexistent ergo that post and there is no mention of fear.
I feel like I don't have to present any data from EoD because literally everyone was here except for Roundbox. We all know what happened at EoD and if anyone forgot then you need to reread fast.
2. _Zenith_ - Hated Survivor
I am the Hated Survivor, who has pledged to be aligned to town, a tool for town to use, and willing to die for town when needed. While I live however, I will be sinking extreme work in this reads list.
3. Nighthawk252 - Lyncher, A THREAT TO TOWN
I am his hidden lynchee as per his claim.
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Town shouldn't be afraid to lynch the Jester. He's still harmful in an endgame scenario and if he's obvious enough he'll make it there.
This is 100% true. The only thing that happened was Plop performing his wincon and did it, we got a third-party who is considered anti-town more than anti-wolf, and it's better than anyone town aligned dead.
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And vigiing me or Zenith with it would be a pretty dumb thing to do.
Especially if the Vigi is 1-Shot (which it is), and it's wasting a kill on one town-aligned player and another who won't work with town until I die instead of the optimal kill of CL/SK/Wolf.
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Town, you are going to look back on the Plop wagon and think, "wow, that was a shitty wagon". I have literally zero idea why Plop's getting lynched. Mashi at the very least you should realize that if you're ever giving up a lynch, this is the one to give up.
Very inconsistent post at the time of posting. His last post is him voting plop anyways, so in point with the logic in this post, it is ultimately directed at himself as well as the other 7 players.
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I'm asking for your explanation of how it plays out because I don't see any way it plays out well for the town. No way a SK is going to kill me--I'm not going to hurt him in any way since I don't have any powers and I'm not trying to lynch him. No way the wolves are going to kill me since I'm not trying to lynch them. No way Zenith or me is getting vigi'd since that's just a dickish synonym for lynching Zenith. This is going all the way to endgame.
This post embodies why there is a predominant feeling of Zenith < Nawk in terms of lynching and order because I AM aligned to town, where you again openly state your indesire to present townlike qualities, and that you only care about lynching me which town is going to lynch me anyways, however getting you out of the way works far smoother in the long run as opposed to me.
[insert few posts here about mashi]
why are you confiding in mashi? Regardless of your strong townread on him, sheeping that hard on a player isn't good at all.
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I believe so. But if I'm dead there's a lot less I can do about it. I have a lot more leverage if I'm alive and voting.
Does. Not. Mean. Shit. For. Town. It actually hurts town more than helps.
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No, you're not going to lynch me. Compare lynching me vs. lynching you for the town and make an honest attempt to say lynching me is better for the town than lynching you. You can't.
I am now, and we are going to definitely be lynching you before me regardless of my hated modifier. There is exponential benefits of my being alive > your being alive. You think that you being alive is far more helpful because you influence your own wincon, yet you have openly stated an unwillingness and incapability of helping town this game which is far more detrimental than I am currently.
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I do fakeclaim sometimes, but usually when I do it it's to force someone to counterclaim.
Why would you say this; it is utterly moronic to post precisely this.
4. freakysnots - Claimed Loved Towny, He is not influential to anything and shouldn't be for reasons
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hated weak cult leader isn't much of a threat right now, since that is the case if only one C is rolled. also being a weak cult leader sucks he can go visit a red and die. SK will be obvious after we lynch someone today.
why do you think zenith softed hated?
Any form of cult, particularly the Leader, is a threat. Finding the Cult regardless of it's modifier is a huge help to town so they do not have to worry about a third faction reaching parity faster than wolves can kill town and town can lynch wolves.
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my lynch priority right now is:
wolf read > survivor > no lynch > someone lurking.
brb in 8 hours
He completed ignored his own lynch priority lmfao.
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0 T's = Inspector + Doctor + 1-Shot Vigilante + Hated Towny + Loved Towny
This is the setup we are in, I trust lurker's claim. You guys shouldn't lynch me. I'm 50% a loved towny from your point of view and by lynching me today you lose the game at pretty high odds.
I was forced to claim. sorry for my inactivity.
I hate how he says "I'm 50% a loved towny from player PoV" because why are you using precise precentages to defend yourself and your claim? If anything you are outing there is a 50% chance you might not be what you say you are, but because of my own read on Funny, you are more than likely what you say you are.
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mashi
Utterly forced.
5. AragakiAyase - Final Offer, Straight Up VT, or 3rd Party (either rolled or by conversion).
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too bad there aren't any dual roles so your plan is foiled
Second post and he's already taking charge of what the setup is and that's a strange feeling coming in hot like that.
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by POE if you're not a wolf then you're 3rd party because the way you've been playing doesn't feel at all like you're town. You've been throwing votes onto people really randomly and without any reasoning whatsoever and I also don't feel like you're putting in that much effort. You're making some reads but they seem pretty weak.
Solid, yet PoE halfway in the phase is still too skewed to be accurate enough to warrant pure feelings on that player and confirmbias'd yourself out the gate with PoE'ing that early without sufficient enough data.
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also lol @ all the people who throw insults around at me, if it's baiting for reactions it's not going to work. if it's genuine frustration then that's something else
Tsk Tsk this is reminiscent of how overly defensive you can get rapidly
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I do and other people have pulled shit like this (sunfan in jtwg where I was wolf, zenith does this somewhat frequently) as town
if you want to use that as your basis for reading me as not town then lol
Too defensive by having to drag two players, one not even in this game, to support your defense to justify why withholding information is not a bad play. However, I barely do this if at all. Note that AA at the end of this post was on the attack of Jrodd, yet he is getting flustered that Jrodd is retaliating back at him even if the basis wasn't solidified yet.
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oh look another "read" with no reasoning behind it
oh look another defensive qualm because you took the statement way too seriously
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I'm doing it right now and if I misremembered/misinterpreted things then I'll drop my case
The reason I got involved in the Jrodd v AA debacle is precisely this. Why start a case in the first place if you, by the end of the case, have to go back to see if you were inconsistent and wrong in the data you are using to base the case on? That's nearly forced projection onto Jrodd or you got way too eager to prod someone and got tied up with some of the information you were using.
[Insert slew of EoD posts]
we were all here so I do not need to elaborate on EoD isolations
6. MrPopadopalis25 - Jester, Lynched Day 1, to win!
Fuck. Oh well.
7. dabackpank - Final Offer, Vanilla Town
I really do not want to take the time to reread all 216 posts of DBPs to support this read, however I'm going to base this read on what I personally witnessed from DBP and my thoughts that I had outed about him previous to this read.
DBP all game has kept dialogue mechanics, tone, purity, the best interests for town, and most importantly consistency all game thus far. Regardless of the few times rounding EoD that he second guessed himself and adjusted accordingly to the situation at hand with the four claims we have had thus far (Hated Survivor, Hated Towny, Loved Towny, and Lyncher). For awhile I thought DBP was reminiscent of what I would do in a setup like this if I was a wolf and get really involved while skewing town off in the wrong directions psuedo'ing that it's the right path, but I do not do that D0 and I convinced myself that he cannot do it D0 either. Another factor to why it's seemingly impossible for me to read him as a wolf this game is due to how he has explicitly been nearly the only one who has kept town's best interests AT ALL TIMES. There is no fucking way an alignment that isn't sided with town would do this.
When phase starts again, I expect him to post his pure tone of "Fucking christ we lynched the lyncher all along".
8. lucker - Hated Towny
I do not want to get deep into lurker except his continuance of hardclaiming a wolf for the first few hours in D0 and afterwards justified it and tried to be more town aligned, and him and I practically co-exist in this game as town's possible downfall in the wrong situations.
Lurker and I shouldn't be lynched (I have to be if the situation demands it over him), but I expect lurker to put in more effort towards town now that the flips happened.
9. j-rodd123 - Final Offer: VT or 3rd Party
He was extremely sloppy at start and solidified moreso at EoD than anywhere else, and also got super defensive in a situation when AA and him dueled. That points to VT status, however I got heat for not stating that I was definitely town as Jrodd did not. That leads me to believe he's possible 3rd Party.
you know what fuck it I'm putting my final offers up and the other reads can be finished later
10. choof replaced by roundbox - pure null/inactive
11. Charu - Final Offer, Wolf or Third Party
12. Charles Claythorne - Final Offer VT or Wolf
13. storn42 - Vigi by claim.
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
okay iunno why that post didn't multiquote properly but if that could be deleted so I can repost for organization that would be swell
also I will adapt that reads list with the info like aa flipping and what the fuck
my final offer on Funny just changed to either Wolf or 3rd Party
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
holy shit did storn shoot AA or just withhold his shot
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Zenith when someone calls you a seer you don't flat out say you're not a seer
that's bad for the actual seer, because it makes it harder for them to hide
there's a reason I did what I did, but I guess it was no use anywayOriginally posted by MixMasterLarOriginally posted by the sun fan
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Re: TWG CXXXIX (139) - Intro to Bastard++ [Game Thread]
rip aragakiayase
I'm going to be true to my word and vote Zenith this Day Phase as I told Nighty. It'll be better to do so now than later in the long run.
I don't feel AragakiAyase made it apparent ever that he was a Special, but I'll check to see if he softed or anything somewhere in case I missed something last Day Phase.
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