TWG CIV: Postgame

[Charu]

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But I wasn't lying, I really was the seer! Honest, the end game display is faked!

[YoshL]

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Duh.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...ynch_All_Liars

what the afrobean

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

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Duh.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...ynch_All_Liars

Context, old grasshopper. Sure, it was a potential misstep to put such full trust in a Green seering, but that potential wasn't realized as Charu was a VH. And then they DID eventually happen upon the masons, who served as additional mouthpieces to protect the Seer.

As I have stated above, masons should always be treated as verifiable even if there is no way in game mechanics to verify them, since any counterclaiming gambits the wolves have to eliminate them always approach a 1:1 trade, which is always bad for wolves as the ideal K/D ratio is > 1:3. This isn't even considering that the game had cardflipping, which would make such a gambit toast after one lynch.

Also see FoJaR@12.

tl;dr You don't want to lynch the liars that are protecting town power roles. Unless you are a wolf.

[dAnceguy117]

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@humanz: any busted fakeclaim should be punishable by death imo

to clarify: any busted fakeclaim. "busted" as in, publicly exposed as fake. Charu's would never be busted because the real seer would never want to counterclaim.

I'm a fan of Lynch All Liars personally, and I think it would be pretty effective when used by everyone... in thread-only games. OOT is a different animal in that regard, I think.



Afro are you gonna play with us?????? I want this

[j-rodd123]

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well when you have someone fake claim seer at must lynch, that should set off some bells and flags......

[FoJaR]

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yeah i did about a quintupletake when i saw that silvuh post

[Xiz]

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Lmfao me too.

[Brilliant Dynamite Neon]

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Whaaa? Silv fake-claimed Ban Hammer, not Seer, which stayed a quickwagon because the power was already exhausted and it was of lesser consequence. And then he apparently managed to convince Gradiant (the REAL Ban Hammer, mind you) that it was a gambit meant to possibly get Funnygurl to fake-claim as well, which worked because of their "shared" suspicion of Funnygurl.

Not exactly lynch-proof, but not suicide either. Probably would have been lynched anyway if people were active, but then trust in Funnygurl would have been at an all time high, which would prove disastrous next day.

l2read pl0x

EDIT: I just wanna add how amazing it is that one wasted Day screwed over the human team to such an extent, because it was the key thing that set up the wolf win. This is also the only game I've ever seen where lynching a wolf (namely one of the IP sharers) made the human team MORE likely to lose in any situation.

[Xiz]

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Oh, I don't mind what he did to the hammer. I'm saying that coming out during that time was completely uncalled for and in my eyes unnecessary. There was already an alliance from day one and no pressure on Silvuh.

But, I have no proof of this since it's game over but oh well.

[dAnceguy117]

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there wasn't much pressure on Silvuh, yea, but there was potential for pressure on fojar, which was like the only thing which could have possibly led to a potential wolf loss at that point. Silvuh making himself the most lynchable wolf and distancing himself from Funnygurl the entire game was pretty brilliant imo.

[Tps222]

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It's finally over

[Afrobean]

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tl;dr You don't want to lynch the liars that are protecting town power roles. Unless you are a wolf.

This is wrong. If a liar is exposed, that liar needs to be lynched, regardless of the reason they give for lying. This is a metagame strategy to discourage bad playing overall.

And a human getting caught in a lie in a failed gambit is a textbook example of bad playing.

[thesunfan]

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so when Charu lied saying he was the seer to out Danceguy while protectiong RP, the real seer, that was a bad play?

[Xiz]

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I dunno, Charu pulled it off and fooled the Red's. It helped eliminate the possibility of a power role dying. If anything, I consider it a smart play.

[thesunfan]

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that's the point, there are plenty of problems with a black-and-white strategy such as that. Yes, lynch all liars is a good strat, and one I support, but it shouldn't be your Bible. Silvuh should've been killed off last game if you follow that philosophy, and for multiple good reasons.