The first and last alliance meeting:
You have just entered room "jTWG Seer."
P337 teh 1337 has entered the room.
Real Freak83: greetings
P337 teh 1337: Hey.
polyspheroid: Hi
Real Freak83: congratulations
Real Freak83: you have been seer'd
P337 teh 1337: Whoa, I got your screen name wrong.
P337 teh 1337:
Real Freak83: and we know you're a human ^^
P337 teh 1337: ^_^
polyspheroid: I have two
P337 teh 1337:
Real Freak83: now, i need to explain something to you danceguy
P337 teh 1337: Too bad you're probably dead now >_<
P337 teh 1337: ?
polyspheroid: No
P337 teh 1337: ?
Real Freak83: everything you have witnessed so far in jTWG has been part of an act
P337 teh 1337: omg
polyspheroid: I'm not that stupid
P337 teh 1337: Ok.
P337 teh 1337: GOOD.
P337 teh 1337:
Real Freak83: i am the guardian, don't tell anyone
P337 teh 1337: Okay.
P337 teh 1337: Whoa o_O
polyspheroid: I seered him on the first night, and then we came up with a plan
Real Freak83: when morning comes, he'll be alive and protected
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: everyone will know for a fact he is in fact a human
P337 teh 1337: I knew Blade wasn't the guardian, I just knew it!
Real Freak83: there is no further reason they should doubt he'd not the seer
P337 teh 1337: Yes.
P337 teh 1337:
Real Freak83: he can reveal each wolf every new day once we find them
Real Freak83: the only other person in on this whole plan is slacky
P337 teh 1337: Whoa.
Real Freak83: we don't know if he's a human 100% but i'm very certain myself that he is
P337 teh 1337: Last I heard, he really believed Blade was the guardian o_O
P337 teh 1337: ok.
Real Freak83: anyway, this is the real human alliance
P337 teh 1337: Yey ^_^'
polyspheroid: If freak dies tonight, we know slacky's a wolf
Real Freak83: yes
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
P337 teh 1337:
Real Freak83: if he's human as i believe he is, then most likly the wolves will try to kill spheroid and fail
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: So freak, did you tell slacky everything?
Real Freak83: he knows everything, except that danceguy has been seered
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: k
Real Freak83: cause i haven't spoken to him yet
P337 teh 1337: Do we know who the psychic is?
Real Freak83: no
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: right now our main wolf suspician is beefstu
P337 teh 1337: Hm, okay.
Real Freak83: though we don't have tons of evidence for that, it's just our only lead
Real Freak83: spheroid, you still have the log for that?
polyspheroid: yes
P337 teh 1337: I have a convo with him saved.
P337 teh 1337: ^_^
Real Freak83: what do you think about him?
P337 teh 1337: Before any of this, he was also the only person I truly had suspicions about.
polyspheroid: brb, I need to find it
P337 teh 1337: Except for Spheroid, because of this whole thing XD
Real Freak83: lol
P337 teh 1337: I didn't tell anyone, but I honestly thought he was a wolf up until now.
Real Freak83: we told slacky to say that blademonkey was the guardian and he was dead, so the wolves would have a clear path to kill the seer when he "slipped up"
P337 teh 1337: I was so confuzzled XD
P337 teh 1337:
P337 teh 1337: Good thinkin'
P337 teh 1337: Ah, now everything makes sense.
Real Freak83: yup
polyspheroid: should I paste the conversation with beefstu here?
P337 teh 1337: Sure, you might have to paste it in two parts though.
P337 teh 1337: I'm gonna look over mine.
polyspheroid: This is going to take a while to post up
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: Anyway to make it so I can paste it all at once?
Real Freak83: you'll have to talk to to him in a private window
P337 teh 1337: mmhmm.
polyspheroid: how do you start a direct connection, freak?
P337 teh 1337: People, open direct IM connection.
Real Freak83: click on the little picture that looks like a window
Real Freak83: the only thing i'm confused about right now, is in the morning should spheroid say that you're a human
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
Real Freak83: because then no-one would try to lynch you, but the only way you could die is if the wolves killed you
Real Freak83: so that might make you a direct target
P337 teh 1337: With Spheroid guardianed, your plan has to come to surface.
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, that's true.
P337 teh 1337: You should probably only bring it up if you need to or something.
polyspheroid: If we convince the wolves they need to find the gaurdian, then they'll won't go for him, but do we want to do that?
P337 teh 1337: Or at least part of the plan.
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: Here's a problem.
Real Freak83: right now the wolves have to think the guardian is dead
P337 teh 1337: Yes.
Real Freak83: in case they still haven't voted
P337 teh 1337: But when Spheroid is guardianed, they'll know.
Real Freak83: i know
Real Freak83: that's why i have to keep a low profile in this game
P337 teh 1337: No.
P337 teh 1337: Idea.
Real Freak83: accidently setting a bandwagon on day 1 was not good
P337 teh 1337: Yes, keep a very low profile.
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, but there's nothing we can do about that now.
P337 teh 1337: We should act like there's no alliance.
P337 teh 1337: Then the wolves have no lead on the guardian.
Real Freak83: yes
polyspheroid: How much of the plan should we reveal on the forums?
Real Freak83: not too much
Real Freak83: you never bring my name into it, that's obvious
polyspheroid: yeah, obviously
Real Freak83: well, most of the plan will probably be understandable when you survive anyway
Real Freak83: the only thing that can screw us over right now is if the wolves vote for someone else other than you
polyspheroid: should I tell them I'm in contact with the gaurdian?
polyspheroid: They need to trust that I'm not stupid
Real Freak83: yeah, probably
Real Freak83: you could tell them that
Real Freak83: we'll have to seem a lot more distant then
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
Real Freak83: i'd say don't reveal that danceguy is a human
P337 teh 1337: Same here.
P337 teh 1337: If we do that, then the wolves know an alliance is at least coming.
polyspheroid: same
Real Freak83: rather say that if you're seer'd and are a human, you will be contacted by a member of the alliance, if you are a wolf, your name will be revealed by Spheroid in the morning
P337 teh 1337: So, act like I'm the next to be seered?
P337 teh 1337: I didn't quite follow XD
Real Freak83: hmm, i'm not completely sure what you should be doing
Real Freak83: right now the alliance is me, spheroid, danceguy, slacky
polyspheroid: What freak said is what I'll say the next day
P337 teh 1337: Should we try to give the wolves another fake lead, but this one less obvious?
P337 teh 1337: k
polyspheroid: What if we announce that beefstu is human?
polyspheroid: just a random thought
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: What would happen?
Real Freak83: *thinking*
P337 teh 1337: What would you do if you were a wolf, and you heard you were seered human?
Real Freak83: the psychic might reveal himself to beefstu
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, that would be bad >_<
polyspheroid: assuming he's a wolf, the wolves would think I'm fake
polyspheroid: this probably isn't a good idea
Real Freak83: yeah, i don't think so either
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: as I said, it was a random thought
P337 teh 1337: Well, we need thoughts to get somewhere ;D
P337 teh 1337: Thinking out loud ain't a bad idea when you're among humans ;D
Real Freak83: right now i'm sort of part of another human alliance
polyspheroid: true
P337 teh 1337: Who?
Real Freak83: though i have no proof any of them are humans
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: danlewis and patron
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
Real Freak83: and slacky is part of that oo
Real Freak83: too*
P337 teh 1337: I've been talking to Dan a lot.
polyspheroid: be careful, never trust your friends
P337 teh 1337: He said he was going to invite me but I had to leave.
Real Freak83: i'm mainly doing that to avoid lynch votes from them
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: good idea
Real Freak83: but i'm not going to be too open with them in case they're wolves
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
P337 teh 1337: Should we lay another ploy for the wolves?
Real Freak83: can you think of anything?
polyspheroid: when talking to them, think about what you would say if you're just a regular human in this game
polyspheroid: *thinking*
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: what if we announce freak is human (random thought)
P337 teh 1337: Then it looks like there's an alliance forming =/
Real Freak83: terrible idea
polyspheroid: good point
Real Freak83: that brings attention to me
Real Freak83: which is the #1 thing to avoid
P337 teh 1337: We should keep Freak out of all of this.
polyspheroid: That means we pobably should stay clear of any plan that announces someone being human
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
Real Freak83: yes
Real Freak83: only announce wolve
Real Freak83: s
P337 teh 1337: Hey, we might have a way of fishing wolves out of that other alliance.
Real Freak83: what do you mean?
polyspheroid: Real Freak83: rather say that if you're seer'd and are a human, you will be contacted by a member of the alliance, if you are a wolf, your name will be revealed by Spheroid in the morning
polyspheroid: We should probably post something along the lines of that
P337 teh 1337: Wait, nevermind, you've got your hands full guardianing Spheroid XD
P337 teh 1337: Who is the 'you'?
Real Freak83: whoever is seer'd
polyspheroid: I think on the fourth night, we may be able to risk not gaurding me
P337 teh 1337: No, I don't think we should bring this alliance to light, but that's just me.
polyspheroid: it may be a different night
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: Depends how far in the game.
polyspheroid: Then again, freak could die by then
Real Freak83: i sure hope not
P337 teh 1337: Damn you better not die XD
P337 teh 1337: We should try to keep the wolves hooked.
polyspheroid: If we convince them to try to find the gaurdian, they'll never know when it's safe to try to kill me or not
polyspheroid: and we probably don't even have to convince them to do so
P337 teh 1337: The wolves know Spheroid is the seer, and they will probably know that the guardian is still alive, so what would they turn to next?
polyspheroid: trying to kill the gaurdian, or if they're smart, killing the smart active people
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: Who is that?
P337 teh 1337: XD
polyspheroid: every good idea anyone has in this alliance can be posted by me, since they won't be able to kill me
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
polyspheroid: well, you were one of the smarter players, danceguy
P337 teh 1337: Ooh really? ;D
polyspheroid: smarter
P337 teh 1337: Oh.
polyspheroid: jk
P337 teh 1337: XD
P337 teh 1337: Nice.
P337 teh 1337: Hm, we should try to get a lead on a wolf right now.
P337 teh 1337: How can we get a wolf to trip up?
P337 teh 1337: Ooh, and what about BeefStu?
polyspheroid: Talk to them. Everyone leaves small clues about their alliances in every chat
polyspheroid: Beefstu definately di
polyspheroid: *did
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
P337 teh 1337: Ooh, who should we be targeting with the seering?
P337 teh 1337: Like, should we use it to try to find wolves?
polyspheroid: We need to start getting rid of wolves, so yes
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: if we just try to build this alliance, we'll just die
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: Should we keep BeefStu under the radar, and seer him night 3?
polyspheroid: What if we post a request for the psycic to contact me
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: I'd like to see who tries
P337 teh 1337: Yes, but how can we sort out the fake ones from the real ones?
polyspheroid: It couldn't hurt, and it may gives some clues about who's a wolf
polyspheroid: no regular human would do it
polyspheroid: only wolves, and the real psychic
P337 teh 1337: But what if the psychic feels it's too risky, and a wolf tries?
P337 teh 1337: Then we only have one.
P337 teh 1337: And we've got a wolf in the alliance ='[
polyspheroid: We won't make any conclusions on it. We'll just use it to back up facts
polyspheroid: We won't use it to find the psychic, just to find wolves
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: I still don't get how, though.
polyspheroid: We'll ask each person to tell us how many wolves are left
P337 teh 1337: The psychic does something different in this game.
polyspheroid: It may not get us anywhere, but it can't hurt trying
P337 teh 1337: Oh wait.
P337 teh 1337: Math ='[
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: First we have to consider any risks.
polyspheroid: of course
P337 teh 1337: And where's Freak?
polyspheroid: dunno
Real Freak83: sry i'm being harassed on the phone
Real Freak83: one sec
P337 teh 1337: XD
polyspheroid: They already know I'm the seer . . .
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: So a psychic or wolf contacts you, or both.
P337 teh 1337: What happens then?
polyspheroid: just a sec
P337 teh 1337: k
polyspheroid: they know that we can seer them . . .
polyspheroid: if one contacts us, we seer him
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: That's true.
polyspheroid: if two contact us, we'll first ask each one how many wolves are left to each one
P337 teh 1337: They both probably know.
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: If they both tell the truth, we'll know if Rye_Bread was a wolf
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: What if they don't?
polyspheroid: What reasons do they have to lie?
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: I don't know XD
polyspheroid: In the post, we can probably convince them that we'll know if they're lying
P337 teh 1337: Hm, how?
polyspheroid: dunno yet, but it seems like it'd be easy
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: first we need to decide if we want to use the plan
P337 teh 1337: Alright, how should we ask for the psychic?
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: haven't thought about that yet, just a sec
P337 teh 1337: k
polyspheroid: Maybe tell them that we don't know about rye_bread yet, and we can't waste a night seeing him. We need the psychic to contact me
Real Freak83: you can't seer someone dead
Real Freak83: plain and simply ask the psychic to contact you
P337 teh 1337: I think he meant BeefStu XD
Real Freak83: oh
P337 teh 1337: Wait.
polyspheroid: no, I meant rye_bread
P337 teh 1337: Whoa.
P337 teh 1337: Confuzzled.
polyspheroid: I didn't know that you can't seer a dead person
Real Freak83: don't tell anyone who claims to be the psychic who anyone else is
Real Freak83: just tell us who talks to you
polyspheroid: of course
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: as I said before, were doing this to try to find wolves, not to find the psychic
polyspheroid: although we very well could find the psychic along the way
P337 teh 1337: We should probably look over page 2, there's probably a wolf or two at work from the bandwagoning.
Real Freak83: Something tells me that people know i wouldn't be a wolf, but they'd kill me just the same. LOL
Real Freak83: that's a quote of Rye_Bread's on page one
P337 teh 1337: Oh yeah XD
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: maybe he was part of a different alliance and plan
polyspheroid: just a thought
P337 teh 1337: Possibly, but who would the alliance center around?
P337 teh 1337: And who's left for an alliance?
polyspheroid: very smart wolves
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: I don't see where this is getting us =/
Real Freak83: we can't really go anywhere right now
polyspheroid: me neither. i have a new idea
Real Freak83: we don't have enough information
P337 teh 1337: What is it?
polyspheroid: Read what qualy said on page one
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, day 2 needs to start ^_^
P337 teh 1337: Yeah?
Real Freak83: danceguy, right now i think you should probably keep saying that you're waiting for spheroid to sign on so you can talk to him before he dies
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, good idea.
Real Freak83: maybe you can stage a conversation later, who knows
polyspheroid: I'm not going to sign in on my other name until all of us agree on it
Real Freak83: well not really neccisary i think
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: Oh yeah, I just remembered, Deltro is playing XD
P337 teh 1337: Whoa, look at BeefStu's post, right after mine.
polyspheroid: BeefStu seems like a very noobish wolf
polyspheroid: in everything I've seen at least
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: But we need more information, and that can't come until day 2 starts.
P337 teh 1337: But my post says to hold off on the voting, and then his post is just a vote o_O
polyspheroid: just talked to gamepro. said he's feeling better and may be able to write the story tonight
P337 teh 1337: He just said that to me too XD
P337 teh 1337: He said he can to me.
P337 teh 1337:
polyspheroid: If beefstu's a wolf, he was probably trying to encourge the bandwagoning on a human
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: If he's a human, he's an extremely noob human >_<
polyspheroid: what if rye_bread was trying to say he was the psychic in his first post
polyspheroid: but probably not
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: I just remember reading deltro's post form jtwg II. He might have tried something of the same (and failed miserably)
P337 teh 1337: Hm, I'm not sure.
P337 teh 1337: If he did, it's very well hidden o_O
polyspheroid: yeah, it's just that one odd quote might have some meaning
polyspheroid: I'm sure he planned on saying that second line when he wrote it
P337 teh 1337: It doesn't look like it's hinting anything.
polyspheroid: yeah, well since we don't have anything else to discuss, I thougt I 'd bring it up
polyspheroid: maybe he was just trying to see if he could get a bandwagon against himself for fun
P337 teh 1337: Tied together with the paragraph before it, it just looks like he's poking fun at himself for being unpopular from his anti-Gamepro posts.
polyspheroid: Anyway, I think what qualy said on the first page has some meaning
P337 teh 1337: Hm, what specifically?
polyspheroid: Either he's a wolf, or he's right about the wolves being noobs
polyspheroid: or he's wrong
Real Freak83: =/
P337 teh 1337: That's weird XD
polyspheroid: it may help to seer him
P337 teh 1337: Qualy?
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: What about BeefStu?
polyspheroid: we should probably seer him first
P337 teh 1337: Who?
polyspheroid: beefstu
P337 teh 1337: Ah, yeah.
polyspheroid: Ther's a whole day until we have to decide who to seer
P337 teh 1337: I guess we should look at what happens during day 2 before we decide that, though.
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: Freak, any more ideas?
polyspheroid: Anyone have any more ideas?
P337 teh 1337: Hm, I don't think I do.
P337 teh 1337: What if someone notices that if you seered Blade, he still could've been the psychic?
polyspheroid: Would that actually do anything?
Real Freak83: i don't think he was
P337 teh 1337: I don't either.
Real Freak83: well w/e it won't make a difference, it should be obvious on day 2 blade was not actually seer'd
polyspheroid: with his first death post and all . . .
P337 teh 1337: But that's what led me to believe that Spheroid could've been trying to pull something.
P337 teh 1337: Oh yeah.
P337 teh 1337: True.
P337 teh 1337: What did his first death post say?
P337 teh 1337: Err, nevermind.
P337 teh 1337: If LD had to edit it, I shouldn't know XD
P337 teh 1337: Hm, so any ideas?
polyspheroid: If we tell everyone that if they're seered, they will be contacted by the alliance, then they'll assume the actuall person I seered night one is in the alliance and is human
polyspheroid: doing this may give away slacky, though (if people are smart)
P337 teh 1337: Sure, but how will that help?
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, true.
Real Freak83: unfortunatly i saw his post before it was edited, i won't give anything away though out of respect for the game
polyspheroid: sorry I brought it up
P337 teh 1337: ok
P337 teh 1337: I just won't ask ;D
P337 teh 1337: So, are we done here?
P337 teh 1337: My dad wants on =[
polyspheroid: think so, we'll decide what to do after day 2 starts
P337 teh 1337: Ok.
P337 teh 1337: Arright, if anything comes to light, I'll be on later.
polyspheroid: We'll pm you if anything happens
P337 teh 1337: Ok.
Real Freak83: yup
Real Freak83: bye bye
P337 teh 1337: See ya.
P337 teh 1337 has left the room.
polyspheroid: I'm planning on going just because I've been on the computer too much today. Anything else to say, Freak?
You have just entered room "jTWG Seer."
P337 teh 1337 has entered the room.
Real Freak83: greetings
P337 teh 1337: Hey.
polyspheroid: Hi
Real Freak83: congratulations
Real Freak83: you have been seer'd
P337 teh 1337: Whoa, I got your screen name wrong.
P337 teh 1337:

Real Freak83: and we know you're a human ^^
P337 teh 1337: ^_^
polyspheroid: I have two
P337 teh 1337:

Real Freak83: now, i need to explain something to you danceguy
P337 teh 1337: Too bad you're probably dead now >_<
P337 teh 1337: ?
polyspheroid: No
P337 teh 1337: ?
Real Freak83: everything you have witnessed so far in jTWG has been part of an act
P337 teh 1337: omg
polyspheroid: I'm not that stupid
P337 teh 1337: Ok.
P337 teh 1337: GOOD.
P337 teh 1337:

Real Freak83: i am the guardian, don't tell anyone
P337 teh 1337: Okay.
P337 teh 1337: Whoa o_O
polyspheroid: I seered him on the first night, and then we came up with a plan
Real Freak83: when morning comes, he'll be alive and protected
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: everyone will know for a fact he is in fact a human
P337 teh 1337: I knew Blade wasn't the guardian, I just knew it!
Real Freak83: there is no further reason they should doubt he'd not the seer
P337 teh 1337: Yes.
P337 teh 1337:

Real Freak83: he can reveal each wolf every new day once we find them
Real Freak83: the only other person in on this whole plan is slacky
P337 teh 1337: Whoa.
Real Freak83: we don't know if he's a human 100% but i'm very certain myself that he is
P337 teh 1337: Last I heard, he really believed Blade was the guardian o_O
P337 teh 1337: ok.
Real Freak83: anyway, this is the real human alliance
P337 teh 1337: Yey ^_^'
polyspheroid: If freak dies tonight, we know slacky's a wolf
Real Freak83: yes
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
P337 teh 1337:

Real Freak83: if he's human as i believe he is, then most likly the wolves will try to kill spheroid and fail
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: So freak, did you tell slacky everything?
Real Freak83: he knows everything, except that danceguy has been seered
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: k
Real Freak83: cause i haven't spoken to him yet
P337 teh 1337: Do we know who the psychic is?
Real Freak83: no
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: right now our main wolf suspician is beefstu
P337 teh 1337: Hm, okay.
Real Freak83: though we don't have tons of evidence for that, it's just our only lead
Real Freak83: spheroid, you still have the log for that?
polyspheroid: yes
P337 teh 1337: I have a convo with him saved.
P337 teh 1337: ^_^
Real Freak83: what do you think about him?
P337 teh 1337: Before any of this, he was also the only person I truly had suspicions about.
polyspheroid: brb, I need to find it
P337 teh 1337: Except for Spheroid, because of this whole thing XD
Real Freak83: lol
P337 teh 1337: I didn't tell anyone, but I honestly thought he was a wolf up until now.
Real Freak83: we told slacky to say that blademonkey was the guardian and he was dead, so the wolves would have a clear path to kill the seer when he "slipped up"
P337 teh 1337: I was so confuzzled XD
P337 teh 1337:

P337 teh 1337: Good thinkin'
P337 teh 1337: Ah, now everything makes sense.
Real Freak83: yup
polyspheroid: should I paste the conversation with beefstu here?
P337 teh 1337: Sure, you might have to paste it in two parts though.
P337 teh 1337: I'm gonna look over mine.
polyspheroid: This is going to take a while to post up
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: Anyway to make it so I can paste it all at once?
Real Freak83: you'll have to talk to to him in a private window
P337 teh 1337: mmhmm.
polyspheroid: how do you start a direct connection, freak?
P337 teh 1337: People, open direct IM connection.
Real Freak83: click on the little picture that looks like a window
Real Freak83: the only thing i'm confused about right now, is in the morning should spheroid say that you're a human
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
Real Freak83: because then no-one would try to lynch you, but the only way you could die is if the wolves killed you
Real Freak83: so that might make you a direct target
P337 teh 1337: With Spheroid guardianed, your plan has to come to surface.
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, that's true.
P337 teh 1337: You should probably only bring it up if you need to or something.
polyspheroid: If we convince the wolves they need to find the gaurdian, then they'll won't go for him, but do we want to do that?
P337 teh 1337: Or at least part of the plan.
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: Here's a problem.
Real Freak83: right now the wolves have to think the guardian is dead
P337 teh 1337: Yes.
Real Freak83: in case they still haven't voted
P337 teh 1337: But when Spheroid is guardianed, they'll know.
Real Freak83: i know
Real Freak83: that's why i have to keep a low profile in this game
P337 teh 1337: No.
P337 teh 1337: Idea.
Real Freak83: accidently setting a bandwagon on day 1 was not good
P337 teh 1337: Yes, keep a very low profile.
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, but there's nothing we can do about that now.
P337 teh 1337: We should act like there's no alliance.
P337 teh 1337: Then the wolves have no lead on the guardian.
Real Freak83: yes
polyspheroid: How much of the plan should we reveal on the forums?
Real Freak83: not too much
Real Freak83: you never bring my name into it, that's obvious
polyspheroid: yeah, obviously
Real Freak83: well, most of the plan will probably be understandable when you survive anyway
Real Freak83: the only thing that can screw us over right now is if the wolves vote for someone else other than you
polyspheroid: should I tell them I'm in contact with the gaurdian?
polyspheroid: They need to trust that I'm not stupid
Real Freak83: yeah, probably
Real Freak83: you could tell them that
Real Freak83: we'll have to seem a lot more distant then
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
Real Freak83: i'd say don't reveal that danceguy is a human
P337 teh 1337: Same here.
P337 teh 1337: If we do that, then the wolves know an alliance is at least coming.
polyspheroid: same
Real Freak83: rather say that if you're seer'd and are a human, you will be contacted by a member of the alliance, if you are a wolf, your name will be revealed by Spheroid in the morning
P337 teh 1337: So, act like I'm the next to be seered?
P337 teh 1337: I didn't quite follow XD
Real Freak83: hmm, i'm not completely sure what you should be doing
Real Freak83: right now the alliance is me, spheroid, danceguy, slacky
polyspheroid: What freak said is what I'll say the next day
P337 teh 1337: Should we try to give the wolves another fake lead, but this one less obvious?
P337 teh 1337: k
polyspheroid: What if we announce that beefstu is human?
polyspheroid: just a random thought
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: What would happen?
Real Freak83: *thinking*
P337 teh 1337: What would you do if you were a wolf, and you heard you were seered human?
Real Freak83: the psychic might reveal himself to beefstu
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, that would be bad >_<
polyspheroid: assuming he's a wolf, the wolves would think I'm fake
polyspheroid: this probably isn't a good idea
Real Freak83: yeah, i don't think so either
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: as I said, it was a random thought
P337 teh 1337: Well, we need thoughts to get somewhere ;D
P337 teh 1337: Thinking out loud ain't a bad idea when you're among humans ;D
Real Freak83: right now i'm sort of part of another human alliance
polyspheroid: true
P337 teh 1337: Who?
Real Freak83: though i have no proof any of them are humans
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: danlewis and patron
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
Real Freak83: and slacky is part of that oo
Real Freak83: too*
P337 teh 1337: I've been talking to Dan a lot.
polyspheroid: be careful, never trust your friends
P337 teh 1337: He said he was going to invite me but I had to leave.
Real Freak83: i'm mainly doing that to avoid lynch votes from them
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: good idea
Real Freak83: but i'm not going to be too open with them in case they're wolves
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
P337 teh 1337: Should we lay another ploy for the wolves?
Real Freak83: can you think of anything?
polyspheroid: when talking to them, think about what you would say if you're just a regular human in this game
polyspheroid: *thinking*
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: what if we announce freak is human (random thought)
P337 teh 1337: Then it looks like there's an alliance forming =/
Real Freak83: terrible idea
polyspheroid: good point
Real Freak83: that brings attention to me
Real Freak83: which is the #1 thing to avoid
P337 teh 1337: We should keep Freak out of all of this.
polyspheroid: That means we pobably should stay clear of any plan that announces someone being human
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
Real Freak83: yes
Real Freak83: only announce wolve
Real Freak83: s
P337 teh 1337: Hey, we might have a way of fishing wolves out of that other alliance.
Real Freak83: what do you mean?
polyspheroid: Real Freak83: rather say that if you're seer'd and are a human, you will be contacted by a member of the alliance, if you are a wolf, your name will be revealed by Spheroid in the morning
polyspheroid: We should probably post something along the lines of that
P337 teh 1337: Wait, nevermind, you've got your hands full guardianing Spheroid XD
P337 teh 1337: Who is the 'you'?
Real Freak83: whoever is seer'd
polyspheroid: I think on the fourth night, we may be able to risk not gaurding me
P337 teh 1337: No, I don't think we should bring this alliance to light, but that's just me.
polyspheroid: it may be a different night
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: Depends how far in the game.
polyspheroid: Then again, freak could die by then
Real Freak83: i sure hope not
P337 teh 1337: Damn you better not die XD
P337 teh 1337: We should try to keep the wolves hooked.
polyspheroid: If we convince them to try to find the gaurdian, they'll never know when it's safe to try to kill me or not
polyspheroid: and we probably don't even have to convince them to do so
P337 teh 1337: The wolves know Spheroid is the seer, and they will probably know that the guardian is still alive, so what would they turn to next?
polyspheroid: trying to kill the gaurdian, or if they're smart, killing the smart active people
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: Who is that?
P337 teh 1337: XD
polyspheroid: every good idea anyone has in this alliance can be posted by me, since they won't be able to kill me
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
polyspheroid: well, you were one of the smarter players, danceguy
P337 teh 1337: Ooh really? ;D
polyspheroid: smarter
P337 teh 1337: Oh.
polyspheroid: jk
P337 teh 1337: XD
P337 teh 1337: Nice.
P337 teh 1337: Hm, we should try to get a lead on a wolf right now.
P337 teh 1337: How can we get a wolf to trip up?
P337 teh 1337: Ooh, and what about BeefStu?
polyspheroid: Talk to them. Everyone leaves small clues about their alliances in every chat
polyspheroid: Beefstu definately di
polyspheroid: *did
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
P337 teh 1337: Ooh, who should we be targeting with the seering?
P337 teh 1337: Like, should we use it to try to find wolves?
polyspheroid: We need to start getting rid of wolves, so yes
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: if we just try to build this alliance, we'll just die
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: Should we keep BeefStu under the radar, and seer him night 3?
polyspheroid: What if we post a request for the psycic to contact me
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: I'd like to see who tries
P337 teh 1337: Yes, but how can we sort out the fake ones from the real ones?
polyspheroid: It couldn't hurt, and it may gives some clues about who's a wolf
polyspheroid: no regular human would do it
polyspheroid: only wolves, and the real psychic
P337 teh 1337: But what if the psychic feels it's too risky, and a wolf tries?
P337 teh 1337: Then we only have one.
P337 teh 1337: And we've got a wolf in the alliance ='[
polyspheroid: We won't make any conclusions on it. We'll just use it to back up facts
polyspheroid: We won't use it to find the psychic, just to find wolves
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: I still don't get how, though.
polyspheroid: We'll ask each person to tell us how many wolves are left
P337 teh 1337: The psychic does something different in this game.
polyspheroid: It may not get us anywhere, but it can't hurt trying
P337 teh 1337: Oh wait.
P337 teh 1337: Math ='[
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: First we have to consider any risks.
polyspheroid: of course
P337 teh 1337: And where's Freak?
polyspheroid: dunno
Real Freak83: sry i'm being harassed on the phone
Real Freak83: one sec
P337 teh 1337: XD
polyspheroid: They already know I'm the seer . . .
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: So a psychic or wolf contacts you, or both.
P337 teh 1337: What happens then?
polyspheroid: just a sec
P337 teh 1337: k
polyspheroid: they know that we can seer them . . .
polyspheroid: if one contacts us, we seer him
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: That's true.
polyspheroid: if two contact us, we'll first ask each one how many wolves are left to each one
P337 teh 1337: They both probably know.
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: If they both tell the truth, we'll know if Rye_Bread was a wolf
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: What if they don't?
polyspheroid: What reasons do they have to lie?
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: I don't know XD
polyspheroid: In the post, we can probably convince them that we'll know if they're lying
P337 teh 1337: Hm, how?
polyspheroid: dunno yet, but it seems like it'd be easy
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: first we need to decide if we want to use the plan
P337 teh 1337: Alright, how should we ask for the psychic?
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: haven't thought about that yet, just a sec
P337 teh 1337: k
polyspheroid: Maybe tell them that we don't know about rye_bread yet, and we can't waste a night seeing him. We need the psychic to contact me
Real Freak83: you can't seer someone dead
Real Freak83: plain and simply ask the psychic to contact you
P337 teh 1337: I think he meant BeefStu XD
Real Freak83: oh
P337 teh 1337: Wait.
polyspheroid: no, I meant rye_bread
P337 teh 1337: Whoa.
P337 teh 1337: Confuzzled.
polyspheroid: I didn't know that you can't seer a dead person
Real Freak83: don't tell anyone who claims to be the psychic who anyone else is
Real Freak83: just tell us who talks to you
polyspheroid: of course
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: as I said before, were doing this to try to find wolves, not to find the psychic
polyspheroid: although we very well could find the psychic along the way
P337 teh 1337: We should probably look over page 2, there's probably a wolf or two at work from the bandwagoning.
Real Freak83: Something tells me that people know i wouldn't be a wolf, but they'd kill me just the same. LOL
Real Freak83: that's a quote of Rye_Bread's on page one
P337 teh 1337: Oh yeah XD
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: maybe he was part of a different alliance and plan
polyspheroid: just a thought
P337 teh 1337: Possibly, but who would the alliance center around?
P337 teh 1337: And who's left for an alliance?
polyspheroid: very smart wolves
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: I don't see where this is getting us =/
Real Freak83: we can't really go anywhere right now
polyspheroid: me neither. i have a new idea
Real Freak83: we don't have enough information
P337 teh 1337: What is it?
polyspheroid: Read what qualy said on page one
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, day 2 needs to start ^_^
P337 teh 1337: Yeah?
Real Freak83: danceguy, right now i think you should probably keep saying that you're waiting for spheroid to sign on so you can talk to him before he dies
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, good idea.
Real Freak83: maybe you can stage a conversation later, who knows
polyspheroid: I'm not going to sign in on my other name until all of us agree on it
Real Freak83: well not really neccisary i think
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: Oh yeah, I just remembered, Deltro is playing XD
P337 teh 1337: Whoa, look at BeefStu's post, right after mine.
polyspheroid: BeefStu seems like a very noobish wolf
polyspheroid: in everything I've seen at least
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: But we need more information, and that can't come until day 2 starts.
P337 teh 1337: But my post says to hold off on the voting, and then his post is just a vote o_O
polyspheroid: just talked to gamepro. said he's feeling better and may be able to write the story tonight
P337 teh 1337: He just said that to me too XD
P337 teh 1337: He said he can to me.
P337 teh 1337:

polyspheroid: If beefstu's a wolf, he was probably trying to encourge the bandwagoning on a human
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
P337 teh 1337: If he's a human, he's an extremely noob human >_<
polyspheroid: what if rye_bread was trying to say he was the psychic in his first post
polyspheroid: but probably not
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
polyspheroid: I just remember reading deltro's post form jtwg II. He might have tried something of the same (and failed miserably)
P337 teh 1337: Hm, I'm not sure.
P337 teh 1337: If he did, it's very well hidden o_O
polyspheroid: yeah, it's just that one odd quote might have some meaning
polyspheroid: I'm sure he planned on saying that second line when he wrote it
P337 teh 1337: It doesn't look like it's hinting anything.
polyspheroid: yeah, well since we don't have anything else to discuss, I thougt I 'd bring it up
polyspheroid: maybe he was just trying to see if he could get a bandwagon against himself for fun
P337 teh 1337: Tied together with the paragraph before it, it just looks like he's poking fun at himself for being unpopular from his anti-Gamepro posts.
polyspheroid: Anyway, I think what qualy said on the first page has some meaning
P337 teh 1337: Hm, what specifically?
polyspheroid: Either he's a wolf, or he's right about the wolves being noobs
polyspheroid: or he's wrong
Real Freak83: =/
P337 teh 1337: That's weird XD
polyspheroid: it may help to seer him
P337 teh 1337: Qualy?
P337 teh 1337: Hm.
P337 teh 1337: What about BeefStu?
polyspheroid: we should probably seer him first
P337 teh 1337: Who?
polyspheroid: beefstu
P337 teh 1337: Ah, yeah.
polyspheroid: Ther's a whole day until we have to decide who to seer
P337 teh 1337: I guess we should look at what happens during day 2 before we decide that, though.
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: Freak, any more ideas?
polyspheroid: Anyone have any more ideas?
P337 teh 1337: Hm, I don't think I do.
P337 teh 1337: What if someone notices that if you seered Blade, he still could've been the psychic?
polyspheroid: Would that actually do anything?
Real Freak83: i don't think he was
P337 teh 1337: I don't either.
Real Freak83: well w/e it won't make a difference, it should be obvious on day 2 blade was not actually seer'd
polyspheroid: with his first death post and all . . .
P337 teh 1337: But that's what led me to believe that Spheroid could've been trying to pull something.
P337 teh 1337: Oh yeah.
P337 teh 1337: True.
P337 teh 1337: What did his first death post say?
P337 teh 1337: Err, nevermind.
P337 teh 1337: If LD had to edit it, I shouldn't know XD
P337 teh 1337: Hm, so any ideas?
polyspheroid: If we tell everyone that if they're seered, they will be contacted by the alliance, then they'll assume the actuall person I seered night one is in the alliance and is human
polyspheroid: doing this may give away slacky, though (if people are smart)
P337 teh 1337: Sure, but how will that help?
P337 teh 1337: Yeah, true.
Real Freak83: unfortunatly i saw his post before it was edited, i won't give anything away though out of respect for the game
polyspheroid: sorry I brought it up
P337 teh 1337: ok
P337 teh 1337: I just won't ask ;D
P337 teh 1337: So, are we done here?
P337 teh 1337: My dad wants on =[
polyspheroid: think so, we'll decide what to do after day 2 starts
P337 teh 1337: Ok.
P337 teh 1337: Arright, if anything comes to light, I'll be on later.
polyspheroid: We'll pm you if anything happens
P337 teh 1337: Ok.
Real Freak83: yup
Real Freak83: bye bye
P337 teh 1337: See ya.
P337 teh 1337 has left the room.
polyspheroid: I'm planning on going just because I've been on the computer too much today. Anything else to say, Freak?
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