jTWG III - Shot in the Head - Day 6

[qualy]

I'm still not sure about this, keep in mind.

Other than the fact that Freak was very smart, there wasn't really any other reason to target him for the wolves, unless they knew he was a guardian somehow. Why would the wolves go after him in particular? There are plenty of very smart people in this game, so what would be the chances that they would just so happen to land right on the guardian? And who are the only people who knew who the real guardian was? I think one or more of the wolves was in that alliance. For now, I'm not changing my vote. (although it may be a bit late by the time night comes around :P)

[Spheroid]

People who knew the real gaurdian:

Freak - he was the gaurdian
Spheroid - had an alliance with the gaurdian cause he seered him
Slacky - Freak told him so he would agree to help with plan
Danceguy - Seered by Spheroid night 2 and let in on alliance

Two reasons the wolves went after Freak:

1. They weren't convinced I was the seer, and they got lucky hitting Freak

2. Slacky, the only person let in on the fact that freak was gaurdian and wasn't verified as being human, told the wolves freak was in an alliance with Spheroid. They then knew they had to take out Freak to take out Spheroid.

Which one's more probable, you decide. Any other ideas of why freak was killed are welcome

[qualy]

I'm going to change my vote to slacky just because he's the next most suspicious player, and I want to see what happens to see who's really who.

[Spheroid]

In case I get instalynched, I want to drop my final advice:

I left the conversations for a reason. Please humans, use them to your advantage.

[slackygorgeking]

guys

understand this FREAK DID NOT TELL ME HE WAS GUARDIAN
he did not say this to our alliance
I WAS NOT IN UR ALLIANCE
give me a conv with u
saying anything about being in ur alliance or going along with ur plan. u tricked me into thinking blade was guardian.,
freak had another plan. i dont think he is guardian. buti dont know for sure
but he lied to u guys and made u come out tobe a wolf. this i tihnk was his plan all along though he didnt say anything to us just that he had a plan no details nothing.
so he caught u guys as wolves. ur plan worked perfectly u have been lying from the beggining.... i have never lied yet
u lied to freak saying ur seer while i think u might of made us lynch the seer rye. (u started the bandwagon on him) though i have no proof of him being anything this is just a theory
u then got me into this and i wanst even into this... freak set u guys up the wolves for a fall. it works out perfectly because

WHO ARE THE PEOPLE THAT KNEW HE WAS GUARDIAN
dancer and spheroid. i did know
u worked it perfectly so u could find all the roles then kill them all off and blame it all on me...
i have to say it was an amazing plan

[dAnceguy117]

Hold the phone, guys. Before an instalynch happens, we really need to sort all of this crap out.

This is why I've been suspecting Slacky since night 2. Unless Freak had suspicions of Shperoid, and was holding out on everything, which it REALLY doesn't look like, and didn't tell Slacky, then Slacky should have known.

Real Freak83: i am the guardian, don't tell anyone
P337 teh 1337: Okay.
P337 teh 1337: Whoa o_O
polyspheroid: I seered him on the first night, and then we came up with a plan
Real Freak83: when morning comes, he'll be alive and protected
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: everyone will know for a fact he is in fact a human
P337 teh 1337: I knew Blade wasn't the guardian, I just knew it!
Real Freak83: there is no further reason they should doubt he'd not the seer
P337 teh 1337: Yes.
P337 teh 1337:
Real Freak83: he can reveal each wolf every new day once we find them
Real Freak83: the only other person in on this whole plan is slacky
P337 teh 1337: Whoa.
Real Freak83: we don't know if he's a human 100% but i'm very certain myself that he is
P337 teh 1337: Last I heard, he really believed Blade was the guardian o_O
P337 teh 1337: ok.
Real Freak83: anyway, this is the real human alliance
P337 teh 1337: Yey ^_^'
polyspheroid: If freak dies tonight, we know slacky's a wolf
Real Freak83: yes
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
P337 teh 1337:
Real Freak83: if he's human as i believe he is, then most likly the wolves will try to kill spheroid and fail
P337 teh 1337: Yeah.
polyspheroid: So freak, did you tell slacky everything?
Real Freak83: he knows everything, except that danceguy has been seered
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: k
Real Freak83: cause i haven't spoken to him yet

Slacky keeps telling me Freak never told him. I don't understand why Freak would lie to us, being proved human.

For my case, because Slacky wanted it and I'm busy for a while today. I obviously couldn't be working alone, because Spheroid seered me. I couldn't be working with him because I didn't know about any of this until night 2. In one of Spheroid's earlier convos, you can see that Freak is the one who suggested seering me.

For Spheroid's case, if he had the guardian protecting him, why would he go and kill him? Think about it, I don't think that's what I wolf would do.

I'm gonna stick around and make my vote later, and see if anything could change my mind about all of this.

[slackygorgeking]

dancer how do u know spheroid is seer,,,,, u two played freak...

someone give me a conv where i talked with either one
freak had another plan i believe. this is a theory. he told he was guardian to catch u guys. y would he go behind the alliances back tell us nothing then all of a sudden magically hes dead... somehow blade isnt guardian like we all believed and somehow out of the blue i knew freak was guardian.
i did not know i cant understand y he would do this bit i did not know.
there is something fishy going on.

[Tsuteto]

If it wasn't for the fact that Freak was killed, I would say something as to why he wouldn't lie to you to trick you. But seriously guys, even now, you put too much trust into one person. All I know is, any of the three people Freak contacted can be the wolf, but any others could be too. A n00bish wolf would just go for Freak like any other, right? A smart wolf would most likely go for someone else, knowing that Spheroid would be guarded. The chances of blade having been the guardian were too slim IMO. I also don't think Spheroid is smart enough to elaborate the whole thing.

As of now, my vote stays. I probably won't be back by the time Day 2 ends, but my vote will stay for no phantom vote, seeing as I have not enough info upon others as to who's most likely wolf or human.

[patron_viridantis]

Well I'm so glad to know what my friend played me for the fool that I am. But also I am glad to know that he knew better than to fill me in on his "master plan." Though the evidence Spheroid has collected is numerous - it is also confusing as hell. This is one hell of a conspiracy theory we have going on here revolving around 5 suspected facts: 1) Freak was the true guardian 2) Blademonkey was in fact NOT the true guardian 3) Spheroid, Danceguy, Freak and Slacky held an alliance in close confidence with each other while Freak led Dan and myself on false leads 4) Through evidence provided by Spheroid and Mr. L33T - Slacky has been accused of being yet another conspirator and in large the primary suspect held in esteem by Spheroid et company - with the quote by Freak "if i die tonight, then we know - SLACKY IS A WOLF" and 5) That Spheroid is in fact the seer and deliberately made it widely known or believed to be so.

[Demon_Of_The_Comet]

Wow, lots of thinking, and lots of convos to read through.


But for now, i vote Slacky

[patron_viridantis]

The conspiracy theory's killing me... might as well go to the source. Spheroid

[daniel_lewis20]

Ok, here's something to think about. Freak is probably one of the smartest people playing this game.

Freak mentions in one of the many posts the following:

"If I die tonight-then we know-Slacky is the wolf"

That's not something Freak would say unless he knew the person/persons he were talking to were in fact wolves. He knew that by telling them is he would either be wolfed or survive the encounter. With Freak getting wolfed, this gives the wolves the opportunity to blame it on Slacky and turn the humans on each other. Something that Freak told us the night before he died was to trust your alliance members to the end, which I believe must be done. So if you'd rather believe Freak complete strangers about his "guardianship" and blame his own wolfing on his friend since early childhood, by all means, vote Slacky. But if you listen to logic and really read carefully, you'll see patterns in these conversations. Freak's too smart to give out his role unless he had a plan to lure out the wolves to his alliances eyes. Therefore, if you look really hard enough and see that myself, Patron, and Slacky all knew Freak had a plan from the beginning, Freak making a completely condemning statement against one of his lifelong friends and having it used against Slacky in like almost every post Spheroid put out. Leaving me to believe that Freak's main plan was to lure the wolf out with the perfect bait of blaming someone he doesn't suspect by telling someone he originally suspected giving that person he suspected the opportunity to wolf Freak and blame it on someone else. Smart, but not smart enough. If you believe in the truth behind the lies, you'll vote Spheroid.

[dAnceguy117]

How many votes for instalynch? I hope to God it's not 7...

I'm not sure how close Freak and Slacky were, but from everything I got from Freak, he really trusted Slacky. He didn't, however, put too much faith in this other alliance. Take a look at this.

Real Freak83: right now i'm sort of part of another human alliance
polyspheroid: true
P337 teh 1337: Who?
Real Freak83: though i have no proof any of them are humans
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
Real Freak83: danlewis and patron
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.
Real Freak83: and slacky is part of that oo
Real Freak83: too*
P337 teh 1337: I've been talking to Dan a lot.
polyspheroid: be careful, never trust your friends
P337 teh 1337: He said he was going to invite me but I had to leave.
Real Freak83: i'm mainly doing that to avoid lynch votes from them
P337 teh 1337: Ah.
polyspheroid: good idea
Real Freak83: but i'm not going to be too open with them in case they're wolves
P337 teh 1337: Mmhmm.

So I don't know if Freak was playing us or what, but all I know is that Freak told us he told Slacky and only Slacky. I don't know if he was just lying, I'm just saying what I got from Freak, because that's all I can go on.

Yesterday, I was talking to Slacky. He was making accusations, which is reasonable, but some of his accusations - like the ones like "Freak would never do that" - only lead to me faking convos, and that's obviously not true.

So, as of right now, the only reason I don't know if Slacky is a wolf is if Freak didn't trust us and was trying to trick us into coming out if we were wolves. But I trust Freak. I may not have been his lifelong companion or anything, but I remember him from the old old FFR forum days. I really and truly want to believe what he told me.

Slacky, I don't know for certain that Spheroid is / was the seer. I was saying that I couldn't do this by myself because I would've been seer'd and come up wolf if I was. I did not play Freak. Once again, I can't be certain about Spheroid, but as of now, it's either:

1 - Slacky is a wolf and wolfed Freak, and is now covering up.
2 - Spheroid is a wolf and is playing me and Slacky.
3 - Freak was playing us because of suspicions of us.

I don't see why Freak would try to play ME though, because he was the one who told Spheroid to seer me and he's the one that brought me into all of this. I've pretty much just summed up all I know on the topic. If you think I know anything more, you're wrong. Interrogate me all you want, but THIS is everything I know for certain.

And remember, there are still other wolves out there. Yes, there is (unless someone killed Freak by freak chance, as someone brought up before) a wolf behind this, but we still have to be on the lookout for other wolves.

I'm done. I can't be on AIM too much today because of homework. If anyone has questions, comments, etc., PM me.

[ddrruler]

GRAH! So freaking confusing.... Sorry for not posting though. Anyways, I can't really quite decide who to vote for... but for now, I'm just going with ddrruler. Whenever he makes a post, it's due to bandwagoning. This goes for either a) he's still a big n00b at this or b) he's a wolf, and doing it n00bishly.

Bad accusations, I know, but for now, I can't decide between the three others I have.

Actually i don't post much because 1 I don't have anything to contribute 2 Im on aim almost 24/7 and 3 I only need to post to vote

[ddrruler]

Ok so to avoid lynching a human babybenji2004 and since you have no votes.My reasons for voting Spheroid..1I hadn't checked the forum in awhile only scanned it.2 Had no idea what was going on at the time 3 I thought he was the most suspicous at the time.[check number 1]