TWG Penalty Thread

[DarkManticoreX2]

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I don't like the idea of a jTWG right now too, considering the newbie playerbase is sparse and hesitant to get involved. But if it ever happens on the signups that a group is divided half between new and veteran players, I think the mechanics of the said game should at least be reviewed to compensate for the experience gap (I think we had some issue in CV too?).

To be fair, I think it's up to the playerbase to step down their aggressivity within the game when confronted by newcomers. V has done just that in D1 of the current running game (CVIII) and he's usually the one to play the merciless motherfucker. Of course, you can bully some fresh players around if it's a legitimate move, but consideration and moderation is in order in those contexts. There are other ways to come to the same reactions too.
Altough, as Dance said, I concede that new players also have their part of homeworks to do, and should they sign for a game, it should be fully understood that TWG is a game of adornment and deceiving, and that it is in its nature to ambush others by all means necessary.

Also this thread is going to be BIG if we are democratically going to be handling the penalties. Fine by me, I actually prefer the idea, but every contributions should definitely have substance. Manti, I strongly advise the creation of a general discussion thread so we can avoid unecessary interventions like this earlier one.

That was the TWC thread, but it was outdated anyway.

Dance will not appreciate another sticky!

[dAnceguy117]

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I'd rather have 50 stickies than run jTWGs. the guide needs to be better and stand out more. other than that, whatever maaaan

[FoJaR]

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can someone link some of the jrodd posts?

because without seeing them i cant really believe that anything said merits a ban.

[yo man im awesome]

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can someone link some of the jrodd posts?

because without seeing them i cant really believe that anything said merits a ban.

Believe me, they were far into the realm of straight up flaming/trolling. He had the bad coming to him. Most/all of the posts have been deleted at this point.

Isn't the thread for it either.

[FoJaR]

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Not really OoT for context, though -- it does nothing detrimental to that game.

You were drilling me while I was still active in the game, and doing so to incite a particular response - there's hardly anything wrong with that. Yes, I do think this is pretty bad practice overall when you guys are trying to promote the game and bring new players, but no, I don't think it's a problem when it's in thread and fits the overall established tone of the game.

The difference in the case of j-rodd's ban is that I mentioned was that it was constantly beating on a player that had already left the game (which in that case, is longer contextual to the game itself). If you're trying to push really hard to incite a particular behavior while the player is active in the game and is playing an active role, that's game strategy. If you're pushing really hard to incite a particular behavior while the player is no longer active and has no rhyme or reason posting, you're targeting the player outside of the game.

Think of TWG as a sub-level of the forums itself when you're in an active game -- that game adheres loosely to forum rules in that context otherwise considered flaming is allowable simply because it is game strategy. However, once a player has been eliminated for whatever reason, you're communicating with a player who is in the level above the game now (i.e. the general forums), which means you should be rightfully subject to any and all forum rules as a result.

see, i dont think that's true. TWG is as much about using what you say to frame yourself in other peoples' minds as it is about voicing opinions about other people.

yes, the dead person cant respond, but that's part of TWG.

[FoJaR]

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Believe me, they were far into the realm of straight up flaming/trolling. He had the bad coming to him. Most/all of the posts have been deleted at this point.

Isn't the thread for it either.

so you're going to ban him based on posts that nobody outside the game can review?

nope. dont like it.

[dAnceguy117]

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the posts are in this thread. that's why they warranted a twg ban and a forum ban.

[FoJaR]

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ah i see, STATEMENT REVOKED.

but i do think that in game talk shouldnt be under any kind of scrutiny

[FoJaR]

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i think trolling and flaming in game are perfectly fine.

[FoJaR]

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and while jrodd did get overheated, i think he's right.

if you request a replacement, you get a 1-2 game ban.

if you do it more than once in the span of a few games, you can take a month off.

honestly the whole replacements list seems like a bad idea to me, because it encourages people to join games when they might not really have time, because in the back of their mind there's the thought that "there's always a replacement if i cant finish the game"

yeah sometimes REAL LIFE things come up, but unless it's something that was completely unforseeable (car accident, house burning down, etc) then you should get a ban.

[Charu]

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Right, I mentioned that when I voiced my opinion.

Flaming and trolling is fine within the game (just as long you don't throw personal dribble to help that cause). Out of the game though, naw.

[Charu]

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In hindsight, I shouldn't have a replacement list to begin with, but after countless TWG's on here, I kind of just assumed it was going to happen, regardless of what this thread is about and whatnot, dohoho.

[FoJaR]

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IMO for all cases forward it's a level 2 infracion.

In this case since this thread had no rules and we're making things up as we go along essentially lets do a 1.5 level infraction

game ban and 1 game replacement req.

i dont think so. for out of game flaming, it should just be dealt with as sitewide flaming (excluding TGB of course)

i dont think that flaming about TWG should incur any kind of TWG game ban, those should only be for things done during games.

[FoJaR]

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basically if out of game flaming warrants a forum ban, so be it. but it's something that happened out of game, and shouldnt have anything to do with TWG bans.

in this case jrodd played as best he could in game and didnt cheat. he's getting a forum ban, for flaming. end of story.

[DarkManticoreX2]

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i dont think so. for out of game flaming, it should just be dealt with as sitewide flaming (excluding TGB of course)

i dont think that flaming about TWG should incur any kind of TWG game ban, those should only be for things done during games.

I hold higher standards for the people playing TWG then I do for the people on the rest of the forum.

This subforum is a community. I expect everyone to be treated with base respect on a person to person basis. J-rodd took plenty of in game shots at another player, and then kept taking shots at them after the game is over.

Yep, thats flaming, Yep, that probably got him a 3-5 day sitewide ban. It's unacceptable behavior for the FFR forum. It's also unacceptable behavior for a TWG player. I don't expect complete professionals out of everyone, but I do expect people to stop antagonizing each other once the game is over. Exempting him from any type of TWG punishment basically condones the behavior.