SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

[jak5255]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

Dudes, you can use noteskins.
He meant, that to prevent cheating by just changing the name of e.g "nomines" to "some random noteskin" and then playing with default, one would have to "ban" custom noteskins alltogether.
Which is something we don't want, obviously.

That's why we need people which knows what's going on in the different SM communities to validate scores.
People which have some degree of insight into these kind of things.


Or he meant that for people to cheat, they just have to play with default themselves, so they can pretend playing with custom noteskin.
Either one of those.



Oh, and if there's a decision that sounds unbelivably stupid, then chances are, you've misunderstood.
We do know how this stuff works, so don't worry, we're not completely clueless or careless about everything and anything.

[Staiain]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

No, this HAS to be a misunderstanding, Katt^

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

nobody will ever submit scores if you don't allow custom noteskins

ps. i herd u needed some dadmins ill volunteer

[jak5255]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

nobody will ever submit scores if you don't allow custom noteskins

ps. i herd u needed some dadmins ill volunteer

As I wrote, it was a misunderstanding, ofc we'll have custom noteskins.


I see, u are now written down in the great text file of possible admins.

[EAGAMES]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

I've always wanted a leaderboard for SM scores, it's pretty much the only reasons I've kept up with FFR and haven't just gone straight SM.
I'm willing to help out with moderating the scoreboard.

The same reason why I havn't moved on to SM.

Also, I'm down for any assistance around the site.

[Katt^]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

That noteskin-example was just an example on how to cheat on songs with mines without beeing detected. Of course you can use custom noteskins on SMHOF, as long as mines do show as mines.

To clarify my example, here's Katts tutorial on how to play with no-mines without having no-mines show on the scorescreen. You rename nomines in the language-file into, let's say, Note, and play a song with the default noteskin and nomines. You will then play without mines, but on the scorescreen it will show as Note. Easy way to cheat a clear on Bowsers Castle.

Cheating in sm is so easy, so we just have to trust players and our guts.

[Patashu]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

so like blue planet right

edit: and seeing as any mod can be renamed to anything else (even in the absense of mods I think you can change the default to different things) you can only rely on the trust system, peoples distributions of scores on different files and video evidence if deemed necessary

so don't try too hard to weed out cheaters

[Oni-Paranoia]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

Honestly this is how it should be done (and this would prevent cheating).

I recently re-colored OpenITG (ITG3) into my own suiting favor (black and red). I noticed something in the metrics that ITG was originally going to do which was have scores sent to a database as soon as your USB card saved your stats (the new machines would have been able to pick up wireless and send it over).

So with that said, you should take an SM build and theme and set it so it sends any scores to THE database. On new PIU builds (PIU protocol I believe), the hard drive folder is locked so you cant enter it without a password (that folder contains graphics, metrics etc etc.. So it can't be changed unless someone cracked it (will happen probs) but if everything is set to a read-only file then idk how else someone could manage.

This is pretty much the safest way to run this with minimum cheating (in my opinion). This is just my thoughts though, so idk.

P.s. X-Mod songs should be separate on this database =D

[Katt^]

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Oni-Paranoia: Again, my programmingskills are far from good enough to even remotely do something like that. Anyway.

X-Mod-scores! Great idea! I fully support it. Can't believe I didn't thinkl of that myself.

Patashu: Kinda. Honstly, I don't know. I only learned about Blue Planet after I started this project and I have no idea how long they developed Blue Planet and how it worked or anything. So yeah, it's like Blue Planet in the sense that it's a site where you're ranked against other peoples scores.

If that's what Blue Planet was.

[One Winged Angel]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

this would be really tight

something similar to what oni suggested should seriously be implemented though, even if you'd need someone else to do the programming, otherwise the boards'll be flooded with DME quads and tons of other bull****

[alexdestructions]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

P.s. X-Mod songs should be separate on this database =D

sup x-mod rival

[jak5255]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

this would be really tight

something similar to what oni suggested should seriously be implemented though, even if you'd need someone else to do the programming, otherwise the boards'll be flooded with DME quads and tons of other bull****

Well, since we're mainly relying on the trust system, that won't happen.
Will there be any BS scores? Yes, probably, that's something that's hard to prevent, but it won't be flooded by them.

[Katt^]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

Since every submitted score needs to be validated, spamming and flooding won't be a problem.

Speaking of quads, one idea we have is that yeah, quaddable songs should still be in the database. Everyone who gets quads would have the same rank on that song, obviously. But in total, the best "quadder" is the one with the most quads. So you can compete on a score-to-score basis on hard non-quaddable-songs and globally with quads.

Anyway, randomly built another feature. RATIO.



MA-ratio and accuracy-ratio. Ma is MA / Totalnumberofarrows * 100 and accuracy is MA+PA+GR / Totalnumberofarrows * 100.

Thought it might be a cool feature. Took me 5 minutes anyway. Sounds good?

[Snapps]

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somehow the scores should match up with the .dwi/.sm if that is in anyway possible to determine different versions

[who_cares973]

Re: SMHOF - Stepmania Hall of Fame

some songs dont come with .dwi files though