A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

[rayword45]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

grind2, rage template, and eclipse are all just high end gurus. Nothing really 13 worthy in my eyes. However, I also believe that the 13 area needs to contain a bit more. I say Here We Go would be a good low level 13 and Magical would be also. You have to remember the other songs that are in 13 now...

According to the Ingame Song Information list, Eclipse is harder then Magical.

Also, where would Tell v3 be? Jacks are pretty much my weakness, but those jacks just seem draining and the wall at the beginning is nonsensical.



The NPS is quite low for an FGO, but you have to take into context that these are 95% jacks, which can't be judged the same way as say, Vertex BETA.

[jimerax]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

The difficulty order of current FGO/FSO songs (OLD 1-99 ratings) - beta

99 vrofl
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96 RATO
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95 Death Piano
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94 Party 4U
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93 Metro
93 Revo
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92 Rave7
92 do i smile
92 Husigi
92 WWE
92 Almost There
92 A Quick Death
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91 Here We Go
91 Eclipse (Solar)
91 Grist
91 DeVouR
91 Chik Habit
91 Crowdpleaser
91 FREEDOM DiVE
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90 CCCP
90 M8BT
90 La Camp
90 Slashmaid
90 Music (for Kirby)
90 Scrap Syndrome
90 J'ai Envie de Plaisir X2
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89 RWOB
89 Pandora
89 Grind2
89 Schmollbluk
89 Rage Template
89 One Minute Waltz
89 Rain
89 St. Scarhand
89 Tell v3
89 Piano Etude (Demon Fire) [Oni]
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88 Mathsma Attack
88 Grand Galop Chromatique
88 12 Bar Bloops
88 Molto Vivace
88 Zombie Sunset
88 Saddest RMX
88 RAN
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87 Hardkore Atomic
87 Necropotence
87 Coactive [Over My Shoulder Mix]
87 Tageri
87 Mephisto Waltz
87 Einstein-Rosen Bridge
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86 STRAWBERRY SWEETZ
86 Little God Channel
86 Kidney Stone
86 Electro Rush x8 v2
86 BEER
86 11ELEVEN
86 I Hate The 80s
86 ==Planet KARMA==
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85 Integraation
85 Holy Orders
85 Blue Rose
85 Pants
85 Mourning the Lost
85 Magical Higan Tour 2009
85 Sparkle Downer
85 Across Rooftops
85 Halcyon [Xi]
85 Nomina Nuda Tenemus
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84 Indo No Sobaya (t+pazolite Remix)
84 Tsugihagi Construction
84 Ketsarku Mozgalom
84 Jamais Deux
84 Gunkienen Tarusuigin
84 honki sentai majirenjaa
84 Reality
84 Frictional Nevada
84 The Adventures Of Lolo
84 Time to Eye

suggestions?

new FGO/FSO cutoff will be 90/91 or 92/91.

ps vrofl was bumped up to 14, for now lmao

[rayword45]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

I think Rave7 and Metro should be equal.

BEER seems sorta easy for an 86.

Still think TTE is an FMO.

I dunno about AAA difficulty, but Chik Habit seems very easy to FC.

[stavie33]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

I don't join in on the overall discussion of difficulties because nothing seems to get done, but it seems like it might now. Prepare for long, but reasonable discussion paragraph:

Most people know my opinion, with the release of Eclipse Solar like two years ago I recommended a 15 point scale, I think that's ideal and as I've said many times, have no issues working out difficulty lists (in order of singular song difficulty) with OWA, Dossar, and anyone else who wants too as well. It's just it always just stops and dies, no one gives a shit for some reason.

We currently have a 13 point scale. Making 13 a more official difficulty just remedies the idea of a joke category and the FGO gap. That's not really changing much. I still think the best way is 15 difficulty scale, with FEO (For Experts Only) taking high borderline VC's (74+) through mid FMO (79), FMO would be high FMO's and low FGO's (80-85) and then FGO would be (85-92?) with 13 representing anything harder than Almost There and CCCP (our 91's). Do I Smile would probably be the highest FGO in this case, the FSO would then be anything we deem reasonable above those points, and the 15th point would be strictly at this point for RATO, because even comparing RATO to DP is ridiculous, I can combo DP, I can't keep a 300+ combo in RATO. RATO would remain in the pinnacle 15, reserved for any other stupid file that for some reason we let in around RATO, and it will contain VROFL and other joke files. RATO still feels like a joke file to me, it's really not fair to compare it to DP, which I think is a good, but very challenging file.

EDIT: Ninja'd by JX (99 point scale), but we should meld these together with the old songs as well. Willing to do so with OWA and Dossar who iirc both showed interest. Also for song order TTE should be ahead of Reality I can't believe you have it lower than FN and Lolo lmfao and FN should be THE lowest FGO, I don't know how any song currently rated FGO could be thought of as easier. Why the hell is Music for Kirby a 90? It's like 86 max. Lots of suggestions for the list JX, post them later, but it's just my opinion

[Anaru]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

BEER 85

Rave7 is much easier than Metro

Also feel like Slashmaid or Scrap Syndrome should be 91..

[stavie33]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

The difficulty order of current FGO/FSO songs (OLD 1-99 ratings) - beta

99 vrofl
-------------------
-------------------
96 RATO
-------------------
95 Death Piano
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94 Party 4U
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93 Metro
93 Revo
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92 Rave7
92 do i smile
92 Crowdpleaser
92 Husigi
92 WWE
92 Almost There
92 A Quick Death
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91 Here We Go
91 Eclipse (Solar)
91 DeVouR
91 FREEDOM DiVE
91 Slashmaid
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90 Grist?
90 La Camp
90 CCCP
90 M8BT
90 J'ai Envie de Plaisir X2
90 Chik Habit
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89 RWOB
89 Pandora
89 Grind2
89 Schmollbluk
89 Rage Template
89 One Minute Waltz
89 Rain
89 Scrap Syndrome?
89 St. Scarhand
89 Tell v3
89 Piano Etude (Demon Fire) [Oni]
-------------------
88 Grand Galop Chromatique
88 Molto Vivace
88 RAN
88 Zombie Sunset
88 Hardkore Atomic
88 Saddest RMX
-------------------
87 Necropotence
87 Coactive [Over My Shoulder Mix]
87 Einstein-Rosen Bridge
87 Mathsma Attack
87 Music (for Kirby)
87 12 Bar Bloops
-------------------
86 Kidney Stone
86 STRAWBERRY SWEETZ
86 Little God Channel
86 Mephisto Waltz
86 Electro Rush x8 v2
86 11ELEVEN
86 I Hate The 80s
86 ==Planet KARMA==
-------------------
85 Integraation
85 Holy Orders
85 BEER
85 Tageri
85 Blue Rose
85 Pants
85 Mourning the Lost
85 Magical Higan Tour 2009
85 Across Rooftops
85 Halcyon [Xi]
85 Nomina Nuda Tenemus
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84 Ketsarku Mozgalom
84 Indo No Sobaya (t+pazolite Remix)
84 Sparkle Downer
84 Jamais Deux
84 Gunkienen Tarusuigin
84 honki sentai majirenjaa
84 Time to Eye
84 Reality
84 Tsugihagi Construction
84 The Adventures Of Lolo
84 Frictional Nevada

suggestions?

new FGO/FSO cutoff will be 90/91 or 92/91.

ps vrofl was bumped up to 14, for now lmao

my opinionz

[stavie33]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

Surprised Feldschlacht isn't on the high-end VC list, always seemed like a really hard technical file to me.

Feldschlacht is still the hardest VC in my mind, and the absolute cutoff. It is by far the most overly technical VC throughout, and challenges you at literally everything and you can't hear most of what it goes to either.

[jimerax]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

Actually I don't stick with this scale anymore, I'm just familiar with this grouping and merely wanted the difficulty order of FGO/FSO songs. 15 scale vs 99 scale discussion isn't concluded yet (due to the voting thread and staff opinions), we can consider something like 20 or 50 scales too.

okay BEER and CH can be bumped down by 1, at least.

also added Feld to VC cutoff list.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

I'll get a list of high-end FGO cutoffs and ask if you guys agree with it, as well as a list of 13s.

This is for better use of difficulty 13. Do not use "Death Piano" as a low cutoff in this discussion.

Here we go

Difficulty 13

A Quick Death
Husigi Usagi Milk Tei
Crowdpleaser
do i smile?
Rave7
Revolutionary Etude
Death Piano
Reluctantly Accepting Temporary Overexhaustion
party 4u -holy nite mix- v1

*OMGWTFT0k3N was not included in the 13 list because another file is planned to replace it.

High-End Difficulty 12

Magical 8bit tour
Grist
grind2
Schmollbluk
Almost There
Counter Clockwise Chant Pattern
FREEDOM DiVE
Eclipse (solar)

I think AQD could qualify more as a high-end 12, seeing as how all of the patterns are easy to cheat, and the density of the file is overall manageable. Everything else here looks fine - positioning of the high 12s doesn't matter as long as we have a sample of what could be a potential cutoff.

[rayword45]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

Songs that have ONLY posts agreeing with the OP (regardless of post count):

mutant corecore (11 to 12)
{Satori} v2 (9 to 8)
do I smile? (12 to 13)
Revo (debatable on what 2nd post meant) (12 to 13)
Fast Asleep (10 to 11)
what the f is this (9 to 10)
{Firestorm} (8 to 9)
The Final Fantasy (7 to 8)
Clash on the Big Bridge (5 to 6)
honki sentai majirenjaa -MAJI eurobeat version- (11 to 12)

[rushyrulz]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

The song (For FFR) is relatively easy except the hard part at the end. And even then, the ending isn't very fast. Skeletor is an 11 because the roll part is faster, and the rest of the song is faster than VC songs in general.

My point exactly. At least you can jumptrill AAA Skeletor because it's fast enough. If you tried to straight jumptrill For FFR's ending you would NOT AAA, because it's too slow and it's full of weird frame gaps that prevent a jumptrill from being successful. Instead you need to do some weird jumptrill to single arrow transitional shit and then somehow nail the ending roll that is pretty offbeat just like the song in its entirety.

For FFR is a solid 10 because of its other parts that are not as hard (I would even say the song is a 9 or less without the ending.)

Mind you, this file was created back when enormous difficulty boosts were legal. I think the file without the wall would be hard enough to constitute a low 10, and then that ending is harder than the rest of the file by like 4 times.

[jimerax]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

Difficulties of some songs were changed, carry on discussions.

[Elite Ninja]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

Difficulties of some songs were changed, carry on discussions.

Is there a place where you log the difficulty changes? Would be nice to know what songs were changed to what difficulty.

[00Razor00]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

Read first post.

[Anaru]

Re: A Discussion thread for difficulties of FFR ingame songs

Whoaaa do i smile is a 13 now. Cool :D