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  • #3496
    FFR Simfile Author
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    ichliebekase
    • May 2006
    • 3213

    Re: Ingame Song Information

    +1 support for Carlos' idea. It really does seem to be getting us no where questioning the difficulty of so many songs when we could make it more evenly divided.
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    • #3497
      stepmania archaeologist
      FFR Simfile Author
      qqwref
      • Aug 2005
      • 4092

      Re: Ingame Song Information

      The FEO idea has been suggested a few times before and I agree with it. But you shouldn't mash the FGOs and FSOs together (the difference to me is, a reasonably good player will struggle to get good PA on an FGO, and the same player will struggle to FC an FSO). It would be no problem at all to have 14 difficulties.
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      Best SDG: PANTS (86)
      Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

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      • #3498
        FFR Player
        who_cares973
        • Aug 2006
        • 15407

        Re: Ingame Song Information

        FSO has 2(3 including vrofl) hardly enough for its own difficulty and i doubt we'll be seeing many FSO worthy files in game. its the only reason i suggested coming fgo and fso

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        • #3499
          Digital Dancing!
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          FFR Music Producer
          rushyrulz
          • Feb 2006
          • 12986

          Re: Ingame Song Information

          Just a quick observation.

          For FFR is the only VC on the Tier Point list with x/5. FMO much?
          Yes, I'm only saying this because I recently AAAd and I'm a FMO AAA-hungry bastard.


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          • #3500
            FFR Player
            who_cares973
            • Aug 2006
            • 15407

            Re: Ingame Song Information

            not fmo but it would be a perfect FEO

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            • #3501
              Digital Dancing!
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              FFR Music Producer
              rushyrulz
              • Feb 2006
              • 12986

              Re: Ingame Song Information

              For Hyrogashis Only.


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              • #3502
                FFR Player
                stavie33
                • Aug 2006
                • 1925

                Re: Ingame Song Information

                Didn't I suggest a For Experts Only category like, 30 pages ago and people said no?
                It's getting better all the time
                I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
                The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
                You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
                Turning me round (Oh Oh)
                Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

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                • #3503
                  FFR Player
                  who_cares973
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 15407

                  Re: Ingame Song Information

                  probably not. people have suggested it well before you did

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                  • #3504
                    stepmania archaeologist
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    qqwref
                    • Aug 2005
                    • 4092

                    Re: Ingame Song Information

                    It's a solid idea, so I'm not surprised people have suggested it before. It would provide a good place for all those "technical VCs" that are easier than the real FMOs but harder to PA than the real VCs... bleh.

                    I think we could potentially fit in five real difficulties after VC: current borderlines (FEO), solid FMOs, very high FMOs / low FGOs, higher FGOs, and then the 13s (distinguished by being extremely hard to FC). This sounds like a lot, but if you look at the progression of difficulties in something like Stepmania where a lot more hard files are available, I think it makes a lot of sense. Right now we kinda have too few difficulties at the top, with the result that the songs in each category are very spread out difficulty wise - you don't have people getting way better scores on high 6s than low 6s, but you definitely do when comparing high 11s and low 11s. The individual difficulties would feel a little empty, but that's fine - the point is to have a system that captures how hard songs are without too much fiddling over details.
                    Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81)
                    Best SDG: PANTS (86)
                    Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

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                    • #3505
                      >w<
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      kjwkjw
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 2585

                      Re: Ingame Song Information

                      Originally posted by qqwref
                      I think we could potentially fit in five real difficulties after VC: current borderlines (FEO), solid FMOs, very high FMOs / low FGOs, higher FGOs, and then the 13s (distinguished by being extremely hard to FC).
                      +1, this is a really good idea imo. Especially with so many people these days having more trouble transitioning from VC's to FMO's than any other difficulty, adding FEO would serve well as a preparatory step for getting Oni, etc. Not to mention that there have been a lot of songs recently that could fit this difficulty.

                      And to go a step further, we could have a few skill tokens for FEO songs so those players have something to work for while they're improving for that solid FMO AAA.


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                      • #3506
                        FFR Player
                        Xx{Midnight}xX
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 8548

                        Re: Ingame Song Information

                        Can we please have Southern Cross put back to the spot on the FMO list where it belongs? Or you all gonna continue to be hard headed.

                        Just asking.
                        Last edited by Xx{Midnight}xX; 02-16-2011, 07:37 PM.

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                        • #3507
                          VICES
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                          Coolboyrulez0
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 10042

                          Re: Ingame Song Information

                          A 1-20 or 1-50 rating system seems to be the way to go.
                          [1-20, I would assume, is more likely and would most definitely resolve most difficulty disagreements, while 1-50 is unlikely, but optimal for judging difficulty]

                          Also a half-mechanized & formulaic, half-humanized input system for rating difficulty would be perfect to rate files. I think we really need a "Great Difficulty Reform" since it's been chaotic and unorganized for quite a while now and things really need to happen to reshape and reform the system or even more confusion and uncertainties will spawn.
                          Last edited by Coolboyrulez0; 02-16-2011, 08:01 PM.
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                          • #3508
                            stepmania archaeologist
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            qqwref
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 4092

                            Re: Ingame Song Information

                            CBR: Thing is, while more numbers SOUNDS better, I don't really see any reason to mess with the difficulties of the lower songs (except shifting a few individual songs up or down one). There's just not enough difference between a low 6 and a high 6 (or any other number up to 8 or so) to justify that. Also, changing the system a lot (using a 1-50 or 1-99 system) would mean that a huge amount of work would have to be done to re-rate every single song in the game. Adding some extra difficulty ranges for the higher songs, however, would be less work but also more useful.

                            Xx{Midnight}xX: Absolutely not, putting Southern Cross as FMO made perfect sense a year ago, but now that there are a lot of significantly harder VCs out there, it doesn't make sense to move it up.
                            Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81)
                            Best SDG: PANTS (86)
                            Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

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                            • #3509
                              snooches
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              Plan_Bsk81127
                              • Aug 2007
                              • 6420

                              Re: Ingame Song Information

                              Originally posted by Xx{Midnight}xX
                              Can we please have Southern Cross put back to the spot on the FMO list where it belongs? Or you all gonna continue to be hard headed.

                              Just asking.
                              Nope

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                              • #3510
                                Arrow Theory™
                                HoneyMelonCalibrator
                                • Feb 2009
                                • 905

                                Re: Ingame Song Information

                                Originally posted by kjwkjw
                                +1, this is a really good idea imo. Especially with so many people these days having more trouble transitioning from VC's to FMO's than any other difficulty, adding FEO would serve well as a preparatory step for getting Oni, etc. Not to mention that there have been a lot of songs recently that could fit this difficulty.

                                And to go a step further, we could have a few skill tokens for FEO songs so those players have something to work for while they're improving for that solid FMO AAA.
                                QFT. Plus, being able to say that you AAA'd a 14 as opposed to a 12 wouldn't be so bad either ;P
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                                祇園精舎の鐘の聲、
                                諸行無常の響あり。
                                娑羅雙樹の花の色、
                                盛者必衰のことわりをあらはす。
                                おごれる人も久しからず、
                                唯春の夜の夢のごとし。
                                たけき者も遂にほろびぬ、
                                偏に風の前の塵に同じ。

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