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[ichliebekase]

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+1 support for Carlos' idea. It really does seem to be getting us no where questioning the difficulty of so many songs when we could make it more evenly divided.

[qqwref]

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The FEO idea has been suggested a few times before and I agree with it. But you shouldn't mash the FGOs and FSOs together (the difference to me is, a reasonably good player will struggle to get good PA on an FGO, and the same player will struggle to FC an FSO). It would be no problem at all to have 14 difficulties.

[who_cares973]

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FSO has 2(3 including vrofl) hardly enough for its own difficulty and i doubt we'll be seeing many FSO worthy files in game. its the only reason i suggested coming fgo and fso

[rushyrulz]

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Just a quick observation.

For FFR is the only VC on the Tier Point list with x/5. FMO much?
Yes, I'm only saying this because I recently AAAd and I'm a FMO AAA-hungry bastard.

[who_cares973]

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not fmo but it would be a perfect FEO

[rushyrulz]

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For Hyrogashis Only.

[stavie33]

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Didn't I suggest a For Experts Only category like, 30 pages ago and people said no?

[who_cares973]

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probably not. people have suggested it well before you did

[qqwref]

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It's a solid idea, so I'm not surprised people have suggested it before. It would provide a good place for all those "technical VCs" that are easier than the real FMOs but harder to PA than the real VCs... bleh.

I think we could potentially fit in five real difficulties after VC: current borderlines (FEO), solid FMOs, very high FMOs / low FGOs, higher FGOs, and then the 13s (distinguished by being extremely hard to FC). This sounds like a lot, but if you look at the progression of difficulties in something like Stepmania where a lot more hard files are available, I think it makes a lot of sense. Right now we kinda have too few difficulties at the top, with the result that the songs in each category are very spread out difficulty wise - you don't have people getting way better scores on high 6s than low 6s, but you definitely do when comparing high 11s and low 11s. The individual difficulties would feel a little empty, but that's fine - the point is to have a system that captures how hard songs are without too much fiddling over details.

[kjwkjw]

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I think we could potentially fit in five real difficulties after VC: current borderlines (FEO), solid FMOs, very high FMOs / low FGOs, higher FGOs, and then the 13s (distinguished by being extremely hard to FC).

+1, this is a really good idea imo. Especially with so many people these days having more trouble transitioning from VC's to FMO's than any other difficulty, adding FEO would serve well as a preparatory step for getting Oni, etc. Not to mention that there have been a lot of songs recently that could fit this difficulty.

And to go a step further, we could have a few skill tokens for FEO songs so those players have something to work for while they're improving for that solid FMO AAA.

[Xx{Midnight}xX]

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Can we please have Southern Cross put back to the spot on the FMO list where it belongs? Or you all gonna continue to be hard headed.

Just asking.

[Coolboyrulez0]

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A 1-20 or 1-50 rating system seems to be the way to go.
[1-20, I would assume, is more likely and would most definitely resolve most difficulty disagreements, while 1-50 is unlikely, but optimal for judging difficulty]

Also a half-mechanized & formulaic, half-humanized input system for rating difficulty would be perfect to rate files. I think we really need a "Great Difficulty Reform" since it's been chaotic and unorganized for quite a while now and things really need to happen to reshape and reform the system or even more confusion and uncertainties will spawn.

[qqwref]

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CBR: Thing is, while more numbers SOUNDS better, I don't really see any reason to mess with the difficulties of the lower songs (except shifting a few individual songs up or down one). There's just not enough difference between a low 6 and a high 6 (or any other number up to 8 or so) to justify that. Also, changing the system a lot (using a 1-50 or 1-99 system) would mean that a huge amount of work would have to be done to re-rate every single song in the game. Adding some extra difficulty ranges for the higher songs, however, would be less work but also more useful.

Xx{Midnight}xX: Absolutely not, putting Southern Cross as FMO made perfect sense a year ago, but now that there are a lot of significantly harder VCs out there, it doesn't make sense to move it up.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

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Can we please have Southern Cross put back to the spot on the FMO list where it belongs? Or you all gonna continue to be hard headed.

Just asking.

Nope

[HoneyMelonCalibrator]

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+1, this is a really good idea imo. Especially with so many people these days having more trouble transitioning from VC's to FMO's than any other difficulty, adding FEO would serve well as a preparatory step for getting Oni, etc. Not to mention that there have been a lot of songs recently that could fit this difficulty.

And to go a step further, we could have a few skill tokens for FEO songs so those players have something to work for while they're improving for that solid FMO AAA.

QFT. Plus, being able to say that you AAA'd a 14 as opposed to a 12 wouldn't be so bad either ;P