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  • #2806
    cavs
    Vanilla Mnm
    • Dec 2007
    • 3258

    Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

    Originally posted by jimerax
    well I want opinions for VC/FMO border songs.
    I'm going to do some more FMO->VC changes for difficuly consistency (don't want to increase FMOs that much so suggest VC->FMO only when you have very strong opinion).
    Here's a list of border songs, and tell me if I miss something.

    Ievan Polkka (Rin & Len ver.) - VC
    None Would Escape - VC
    Bus Rides With People - VC
    Kil Stage - VC
    Twelve - VC
    Kanon Kanon - VC
    Keep In Mind - VC
    Counter Strike Gun Sounds - VC
    Szerencsetlen - VC
    Feldschlacht - VC
    For FFR - VC
    ------------------------------------------

    Going On Spring Wind - FMO, could be VC
    Novo Mundo - FMO, could be VC
    K8107 - FMO, could be VC
    Silence - FMO, could be VC
    Southern Cross - FMO, could be VC
    Choprite - FMO, could be VC
    Black Key Etude - FMO, could be VC
    Lawn Wake IV - FMO, could be VC
    Summer Time Perfume - FMO, could be VC

    ------------------------------------------
    300 - FMO
    Jeanie and Caroline - FMO
    Hajnal - FMO
    Thrash - FMO
    The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] - FMO
    3020 - FMO
    Blue-Violet - FMO
    Scythe of 13 - FMO
    Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) - FMO
    Night and Day - FMO
    Novo Mundo DEFINITELY. Novo Mundo is much easier than For FFR. Silence should definitely be a VC, it's only slow jumpstream. Southern Cross PROBABLY should be a VC, another song easier than For FFR, the other ones I would say keep FMO.

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    • #2807
      FFR Player
      who_cares973
      • Aug 2006
      • 15407

      Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

      novo mundo is much harder than for ffr

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      • #2808
        (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
        FFR Simfile Author
        Niala
        • Jul 2007
        • 1697

        Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

        Originally posted by jimerax
        well I want opinions for VC/FMO border songs.
        I'm going to do some more FMO->VC changes for difficuly consistency (don't want to increase FMOs that much so suggest VC->FMO only when you have very strong opinion).
        Here's a list of border songs, and tell me if I miss something.

        Ievan Polkka (Rin & Len ver.) - VC
        None Would Escape - VC
        Bus Rides With People - VC
        Kil Stage - VC
        Twelve - VC
        Kanon Kanon - VC
        Keep In Mind - VC
        Counter Strike Gun Sounds - VC
        Szerencsetlen - VC
        Feldschlacht - VC
        For FFR - VC
        ------------------------------------------

        Going On Spring Wind - FMO, could be VC Maybe, I'm really bad at this chart, though, so I can't really give a good opinion.
        Novo Mundo - FMO, could be VC Okay.
        K8107 - FMO, could be VC Hrm... The end is kind of FMOish, but still slow enough to make it a VC. Sure, VC.
        Silence - FMO, could be VC On one hand, blue note syndrome, on the other, really not that hard jumpstream... very borderline.
        Southern Cross - FMO, could be VC No awkward patterns, not terribly fast... VC it I guess. It is kind of long.
        Choprite - FMO, could be VC Lots of awkward patterns, FMO.
        Black Key Etude - FMO, could be VC FMO. Jacks= hard. Jumps at end=harder. FMO.
        Lawn Wake IV - FMO, could be VC Def VC. It's just fast and has one stupid 32nd area that isn't even hard to do...
        Summer Time Perfume - FMO, could be VC FMO for awkward 16th-24thjumpstep patterns, length. It has a lot of weird Silly Symphony-like patterns I find, so FMO works here.

        ------------------------------------------
        300 - FMO
        Jeanie and Caroline - FMO
        Hajnal - FMO
        Thrash - FMO
        The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] - FMO
        3020 - FMO
        Blue-Violet - FMO
        Scythe of 13 - FMO
        Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) - FMO
        Night and Day - FMO
        Pulled a who_cares973.

        Also, CSGS and Kanon Kanon could both be FMO's. Kanon is actually really hard. CSGS has really difficult jacks. Just sayin'.
        Last edited by Niala; 09-30-2009, 06:01 AM.

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        • #2809
          stepmania archaeologist
          FFR Simfile Author
          qqwref
          • Aug 2005
          • 4092

          Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

          Originally posted by Niala
          CSGS has really difficult jacks. Just sayin'.
          You are wrong here, they are not difficult at all for anyone (except you and me). It is not FMO because people complained it was way too easy.


          I think if we're going to start worrying about VC/FMO borderlines we should either:
          - establish a definite guideline for what is VC and what's FMO (or establish a cutoff song)
          - or just say everything that doesn't get [Oni] anymore is VC and be done with it.
          Of course I think the VC rank is getting too huge (I think I suggested VC -> FEO (high VC/low FMO) -> FMO -> FGO -> 13 a while back but nobody listened) so I'd rather keep everything that's FMO in the FMO category but nobody else cares so w/e.
          Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81)
          Best SDG: PANTS (86)
          Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

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          • #2810
            (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
            FFR Simfile Author
            Niala
            • Jul 2007
            • 1697

            Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

            Originally posted by qqwref
            You are wrong here, they are not difficult at all for anyone (except you and me). It is not FMO because people complained it was way too easy.


            I think if we're going to start worrying about VC/FMO borderlines we should either:
            - establish a definite guideline for what is VC and what's FMO (or establish a cutoff song)
            - or just say everything that doesn't get [Oni] anymore is VC and be done with it.
            Of course I think the VC rank is getting too huge (I think I suggested VC -> FEO (high VC/low FMO) -> FMO -> FGO -> 13 a while back but nobody listened) so I'd rather keep everything that's FMO in the FMO category but nobody else cares so w/e.
            They're not hard for me, I'm just saying they're hard in general. I don't know if you checked, but I was actually in the first 10 AAA's on that song. It's just a personal opinion, but it seems about as hard to AAA as a lot of the FMO's that are out there now.
            I also agree with your ideas, FEO most prominently. It seems like the best way to resolve the whole "these songs are too easy for FMO because we're all getting better now" thing. Of course, then we'd have two borderlines, but they'd be more definite. If not, just make everything that doesn't give [Oni] a VC, and everything that does an FMO and have it done with.

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            • #2811
              Anime Avatars ( ◜◡^)っ✂╰⋃╯
              FFR Simfile Author
              One Winged Angel
              • Mar 2007
              • 10837

              Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

              Originally posted by Niala
              If not, just make everything that doesn't give [Oni] a VC, and everything that does an FMO and have it done with.
              it's been suggested before, no idea why this wasn't actually implemented


              Originally posted by ilikexd
              i want to be cucked by cirno

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              • #2812
                smoke wheat hail satin
                FFR Simfile Author
                foilman8805
                • Sep 2006
                • 5704

                Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                cuz everyone is stubborn as hell

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                • #2813
                  Anime Avatars ( ◜◡^)っ✂╰⋃╯
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  One Winged Angel
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 10837

                  Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                  o rite


                  Originally posted by ilikexd
                  i want to be cucked by cirno

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                  • #2814
                    FFR Player
                    who_cares973
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 15407

                    Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                    lets be cool at make a cutoff song like otfd


                    8)

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                    • #2815
                      Rhythm game specialist.
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      TC_Halogen
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 19376

                      Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                      Originally posted by One Winged Angel
                      it's been suggested before, no idea why this wasn't actually implemented
                      That'd make Radio Heads a VC because of the current [Oni] list. I don't think Radio Heads is THAT easy.

                      Personally, the cut-off to FMO should be Black Key Etude. It's got just enough technicality to stay in FMO with the jacks in awkward spots as well as the ending, not to mention holding a constant 24th run. If that's too lenient, then make the cut-off Summer Time Perfume, dock Choprite to VC (I don't get the awkward patterns that you guys are talking about except for that burst at like 1600 iirc), Silence to VC (BNS, but rhythm can be found 1/16th of a note in a direction, not sure if it's early or late), and LWIV to VC (obv.)--Novo Mundo can stay FMO because of the odd 32nd patterns + rolls, K8107 can stay FMO because of the ending. Also--Southern Cross can get docked because it has nothing really hard in it aside from a small 32nd burst here or there.

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                      • #2816
                        smoke wheat hail satin
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        foilman8805
                        • Sep 2006
                        • 5704

                        Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                        alright make the divine suicide of k a vc

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                        • #2817
                          Anime Avatars ( ◜◡^)っ✂╰⋃╯
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          One Winged Angel
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 10837

                          Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                          bump down novo mundo and LWIV, LWIV as hardest VC

                          edit: @AJ, that song should definitely be on the list so I have no fuccen clue why it isn't...I thought they just took off **** like NWE, LWIV, Silence, etc....the **** with tons of AAAs...I don't think radio heads even has 40 AAAs so wtf

                          p.s. god damn, just make every fuccen FMO that's x/6 on the tier list a VC and keep everything that's x/7, like geez
                          Last edited by One Winged Angel; 09-30-2009, 04:02 PM.


                          Originally posted by ilikexd
                          i want to be cucked by cirno

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                          • #2818
                            Rhythm game specialist.
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Music Producer
                            TC_Halogen
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 19376

                            Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                            I don't think Novo should be docked since it's got combinations of jumpstreams and 32nds. Those aren't too common in VCs to begin with.

                            TDSoK is a very long song, has a lot of strange patterns, and has a pretty tough speed section at the end. Easy FMO but still there.

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                            • #2819
                              smoke wheat hail satin
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              foilman8805
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 5704

                              Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                              well, in the spirit of making cut-off songs that actually aren't cut-off songs (a la OTFD), i picked divine suicide of k.

                              made sense to me. and yeah, it is kind of long, but it's a piss easy 'FMO'. it's my highest ranked, and near SDG. i suck balls at FMOs if that's any indication too.

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                              • #2820
                                FFR Player
                                stavie33
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 1925

                                Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2

                                Originally posted by jimerax
                                well I want opinions for VC/FMO border songs.
                                I'm going to do some more FMO->VC changes for difficuly consistency (don't want to increase FMOs that much so suggest VC->FMO only when you have very strong opinion).
                                Here's a list of border songs, and tell me if I miss something.

                                Ievan Polkka (Rin & Len ver.) - VC
                                None Would Escape - VC
                                Bus Rides With People - VC
                                Kil Stage - VC
                                Twelve - VC
                                Kanon Kanon - VC
                                Keep In Mind - VC
                                Counter Strike Gun Sounds - VC This needs to be FMO, NOW
                                Szerencsetlen - VC
                                Feldschlacht - VC
                                For FFR - VC
                                ------------------------------------------

                                Going On Spring Wind - FMO, could be VC Leave it, fast stream and trills are evil, low FMO
                                Novo Mundo - FMO, could be VC Could be, but rolls leave it FMO
                                K8107 - FMO, could be VC could be VC, but I suck at trills so...
                                Silence - FMO, could be VC Make VC, please
                                Southern Cross - FMO, could be VC should be VC
                                Choprite - FMO, could be VC leave it
                                Black Key Etude - FMO, could be VC leave it
                                Lawn Wake IV - FMO, could be VC I suck at this song, so I'm not saying ****
                                Summer Time Perfume - FMO, could be VC leave it

                                ------------------------------------------
                                300 - FMO
                                Jeanie and Caroline - FMO
                                Hajnal - FMO
                                Thrash - FMO
                                The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] - FMO
                                3020 - FMO why is this even on this list? This is a HARD FMO, it's an 80 for Christ's (Moses') sake!
                                Blue-Violet - FMO
                                Scythe of 13 - FMO
                                Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) - FMO
                                Night and Day - FMO Why is this here too? This is a solid FMO, srsly

                                Opinions in bold
                                Last edited by stavie33; 09-30-2009, 04:14 PM.
                                It's getting better all the time
                                I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
                                The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
                                You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
                                Turning me round (Oh Oh)
                                Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

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