Official Tournament Round 6 Song Discussion

[TC_Halogen]

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I make every file (except Necropotence) with the intention of being fun but certainly not to cater to your bland preferences.

SHOTSFIRED

Why are patterns with ridiculous jumprolls that force you to drop random goods rated so low lately? A song I essentially don't have control of my score on should not be a 74. Well GLHF D4.

All about youyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyouyou -- fun fact: this chart was actually supposed to be rated lower

Eternal Drain is a 65 with a 16th tetrajumpjack at the end, aka a file where the AAA hinges on a fraction of a second of FGO in an ocean of stupid-easy. It's a good song and mostly a decent chart but its main reason for existing is to aggravate. The natural decendent of Largilloquent Dithyramb and PCS, except at least THEIR dumbjacks were in the intro. Stop accepting files like this.

So, because the file naturally has a heavy repeated accent right at the end of the file, and the stepartist decided to chart it is such, we should stop accepting their charts? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? These are the kind of disrespectful comments that I'm getting tired of seeing -- if you don't like the file, say that you don't, holy christ. People need to stop being rude because that is offensive not only to the stepartists, but the judges that accept it as well. Stepartists that are interested in charting aren't looking forward to ridiculous comments like these. As bmah said:

I make every file (except Necropotence) with the intention of being fun but certainly not to cater to your bland preferences.

And for my own defense:

Move It Groove It [Heavy] was extremely similar and just as easy to sightread as [Standard]. I don't know why there needs to be two charts for this, or how there could possibly be a 20 difficulty gap between them. It's the same file.

It's not even close to the same file...? The chorus in the [Standard] chart has way easier patterns, and there is almost no layering in the [Standard] because all it does is follow lyrics for like 90% of the file. My file follows percussion, lyrics, background sounds, and is considerably heavier in layering because of all of the cohesive representation. If it's the same file, how is it that the D2 players involved in the tiebreaker can AAA the [Standard] chart, but not the [Heavy]? The rating might be a little bit high, but it certainly isn't "the same" chart, because my chart packs in almost 370 more steps in the same timeframe.

[Mike Weedmark]

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There's not a lot to debate about rolls intended to be jumptrilled. They generate random goods and take the skill out of the game, or at least, to play them straight would constitute a massive difficulty boost anyway. Unless you think Skeletor is a skill file or something, or that everyone rolls the end of Mathsma or do i smile or Husigi, if I want to get absurd about my examples.

So, because the file naturally has a heavy repeated accent right at the end of the file, and the stepartist decided to chart it is such, we should stop accepting their charts?

There are two ways Eternal Drain could be improved: Fix the end to align better with the rest of the song, or fix the rest of the song to align better with the end. The jumpjacks themselves aren't stupid, they're just steps. The problem is, although spikes are fine in principle, they should still operate within the same reasonable limits as everything else. And for me, that means not potentially forcing full-song retries for a half second AAA hinge on someone who can very obviously destroy the chart and might be, say, going for Oni. It's only a minor frustration, sure, but doesn't FFR have enough of those? "For FFR" isn't one of the most hated files in the game for no reason. It does the same thing. About a hojillion times worse, but the same.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

"These are the kind of disrespectful comments that I'm getting tired of seeing." - Halogen 2s earlier.

If it's the same file, how is it that the D2 players involved in the tiebreaker can AAA the [Standard] chart, but not the [Heavy]

Because they had a week for the first one and because they're D2. Okay, it's not TEH_SAM_FILE.exe, I'm sure you could pull up one of those handy dandy note charts and circle every new note so I wouldn't miss them. The fact is, halfway through heavy, I thought I mis-clicked on standard. They're about as different to me as the two Rondos, except RAT desperately needed a fix and MIGI didn't, although I should thank you for two free sightreads I guess.

[psychoangel691]

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Not exactly hard for a D5 player to sightread files of those difficulties. The site isn't just about the high level players the files vary enough when it comes to the low and mid tier players.

Edit: FFR is actually one of the only rhythm games I can really think of that doesn't have multiple difficulties for it's files (most have 4). I hate that it's like that, there's some songs that I'd love an easier version to but generally they get stuck as tokens if someone does do it.

[bmah]

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Mike, what I was saying earlier mainly is referring to my frustration that people often associate a consistent file as a good one. I disagree with that, and you'll see others like hi19 make jabs at my justification for files that end up spiky. I step songs the way I think would be best represented - I don't iron out every significant difficulty spike to have your fingers autopilot through the song...even if there's only one or two of them (some people view this as a "near-perfect" file being "ruined"). People's affinity to consistency was my reference to blandness.

It's one thing to point out criticisms, but it's another to tell judges/steppers what to do. Just be more careful with your words. It's fine if you don't enjoy a particular file.


edit: if people submit songs with multiple difficulties more frequently, I'd really consider limiting the number of tokens that'd come out of them...

[psychoangel691]

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Oh yeah I wanted to also mention that bmah's files are some of my fave files on the site too. I like that they vary, keeps it interesting.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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There's a formula for stepping difficulty spiked sections in files though I won't get into it here because it involves graduate level stepping knowledge which none of you troglodytes can even begin to think to want to maybe understand. *scoffs*

[Coolboyrulez0]

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There's a formula for stepping difficulty spiked sections in files though I won't get into it here because it involves graduate level stepping knowledge which none of you troglodytes can even begin to think to want to maybe understand. *scoffs*

i feel ya carlos

[_Fluttershy_]

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D1: A good file, nothing to complain about. 6/10
D2: The patterns are awkward but it's well stepped all the same. 6/10
D3: I know I've given bmah stick about his files before, but this file is one of his best, I really like this file a lot, it's well stepped JS. How JS should be stepped! 10/10
D4: No real complaints tbh. The patterns flow well enough. 8/10
D5: Fission plz ... no jk, not a bad first file. Can't really complain. 8/10
D6: Overstepped! That's all I gotta say! 3/10

[EzExZeRo7497]

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Disc Jockey MIKE: That song lmao. It's a file for beginners, I personally like it quite a bit, definitely gives beginners some swing practice and all.

Walking on a Dream: This song is amazing. I really like the swing as well, it feels so fluent haha.

Eternal Drain: Brenton, where are you getting all your songs lmao (compliment btw). Good file, difficulty spike is kinda hilarious though.

DownTemperature: Not sure how I feel about this, lol. The intro is really annoying to hit, but it makes sense. It's a decent file, but I personally don't like it that much.

44 Edit: This file is great. Nice job Fission.

The Ordeal Becomes Great: Goddamn this is rigid. Hard file, it's not a bad file but wow there are a couple of spots that are really rough haha. There are some spots that I really like though, I personally loved the solo section.

[hi19hi19]

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Nearly every single song bmah steps is from BMS of Fighters or a BoF artist.
This is no exception (Eternal Drain is from BoF 2011, team Lyrical Signal Revival)

BoF songs naturally make for good FFR files because they are already tailored for rhythm gaming. They are always the correct length, have interesting rhythms and a natural flow for this style of game.

[Hakulyte]

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Close enough~
Ignore the score, point was just to compare music.

[Jonlovesddr]

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i think i hate D3's song so much because i suck at it

[popsicle_3000]

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d4's song looks easier than it is. deceiving! i haven't sorted out timing yet for jumptrilling the rolls yet...

[DossarLX ODI]

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I'll have to go against the current here and say that Ordeal is very forced. There were plenty of alternatives to make the patterns play better but I feel like I'm playing a weird mix of BEER's polyrhythms with one handed jumps inside along with White Walls 24th one handed trills sometimes with jumps inside too. It's also another case where I had to mute the music to play because guitar solos like this are misleading to the one handed patterns shown.

In terms of conversion that's out of the stepartist's control, the one handed trills are also disgusting in their placements. Most of the time it's hitting something like a 300 bpm one handed trill that feels faster than the song itself.

[TC_Halogen]

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Who said it wasn't forced, haha?

I agree, it's definitely very forced and incredibly demanding. It's tough to keep up with some of the patterns.

Despite playing Ordeal another 30 times in the past hour or so going for the AAA, I still love it. Very challenging, but rewarding to nail all in one shot.