Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

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  • qqwref
    stepmania archaeologist
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2005
    • 4092

    #61
    Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

    If you ask me, framer fixes on very old files are slightly unfair, but the bonus to the community makes up for it - in the grand scheme of things, most good scores will be achieved after the fix. Also, if you think about it, making a file marginally easier to hit has a similar effect on the player as adding new options/fixes to the engine (speedmods, keymapping, avmiss fix, noteskins, PA counter, etc.) and to go against it so future people will have to go through the same non-chart-based annoyances you did strikes me as a bit selfish.


    Originally posted by bmah
    I'm completely for frame-fixing. Maybe Camel can get its chance to shine without being screwed over by tight framers.
    There's not all that much you can do when someone steps a one-handed 100bpm 64th minitrill. The 48th minitrills turn out 3 frames apart, as they should; if you wanted the 64th minitrills to be the same speed, and not faster, you could have stepped them that way. In this case, I'd say the framers accurately represent how close the jacks are in the actual file.

    Originally posted by TC_Halogen
    If the person fixing the file opts into making all of the flams/graces into jumps, they're ruining the interpretation of the file.
    Mm, I guess this is a case where we need to ask the stepauthor. The problem is we can't easily and objectively tell when it's intended as an accented jump and when it's intended as an actual grace note. RAINBOW SQUIGGLEY is a great example of the first type, but in other cases it's less obvious.

    Originally posted by bmah
    Correction: definitely For FFR.

    Unfortunately though, it's a blue note file, so it can't be changed.
    Are we sure about this? I know for a fact that (a) For FFR was converted from an actual DWI, and (b) other blue note files have been recolored in the past. I figure, as long as we keep the chart itself unchanged, there's precedent.
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    • bmah
      shots FIRED
      Profile Moderator
      FFR Simfile Author
      Global Moderator
      • Oct 2003
      • 8448

      #62
      Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

      I would like For FFR to be changed, but it's a Legacy file, and from what most people are suggesting here, framers should be fixed for all songs but the Legacy ones.

      (note: shouldn't be mixed up with "badly stepped" old files, such as Story of Snowman and Sunshine Girl. In those cases, it was the stepper's placement of those arrows, not the product of framers from file conversions.)

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      • Silvuh
        quit
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Apr 2005
        • 938

        #63
        Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

        Can the 24ths in the beginning of my favorite shoes be fixed soon? It was just uploaded, so it shouldn't be a problem.

        The 32nd, 24th, and 4th should basically be the same number of frames apart. I didn't even think about frame conversion when I chose to use 24ths instead of equally-spaced 3/64ths. Didn't intend for things like this to happen:


        If permission from the original step author still matters, you can bold my files on the list, because I suggested fixing them. Also, it should be said in the first post that that is what the boldface is for.

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        • Bluearrowll
          ⊙▃⊙
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Nov 2007
          • 7376

          #64
          Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

          I am 100% for framer fixes, though I'm rather unsure on what one does in order to perform the framer fixes. Is there a thread for that somewhere where it's explained?
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          • Xx{Midnight}xX
            FFR Player
            • Aug 2007
            • 8548

            #65
            Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

            Also I think Torinouta should be on the list. Not sure though. (You know the intro bursty shit.)

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            • nois-or-e
              SponCon Aficionado
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Mar 2007
              • 3250

              #66
              Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

              Originally posted by Bluearrowll
              I am 100% for framer fixes, though I'm rather unsure on what one does in order to perform the framer fixes.

              Frame fixes basically involve extracting the AS2 from the swf and manually editing frames +/- 1 or whatever is needed, all while retaining position/colour. It isn't extraordinarily difficult to do this, just takes more time if you haven't got an easy way of viewing the charts frame issues.



              Edit @ Silvuh: How many instances are there of that happening in my fave shoes? I could probably fix and re-up that one later today as it is a very small issue on a recently released file

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              • DossarLX ODI
                Batch Manager
                Game Manager
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Mar 2008
                • 15013

                #67
                Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                Originally posted by DossarLX ODI
                So how exactly is this going to work? Will I be able to make frame fixes to something like Skeletor even though bluguerrilla hasn't been in this thread yet?
                Still unsure of the frame change policy.
                Originally posted by hi19hi19
                oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

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                • bmah
                  shots FIRED
                  Profile Moderator
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  Global Moderator
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 8448

                  #68
                  Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                  Originally posted by DossarLX ODI
                  Still unsure of the frame change policy.
                  Well I'm going to have to agree with jimerax on the fact that conversion-made framer errors are not the property of the simfile author, and therefore we should make fixes to them without hesitation.

                  Originally posted by jimerax
                  Yeah the point is sync fix and framer fix should included in "stepfile modification" or not.

                  My opinion is no, since it's game manager who converts original dwi to via a converter, and framer issues are considered to be converter's issue, and not artist's intention.

                  So, "shifting all notes by XX frames (offset fix)" and "shifting particular notes by a frame" are conversion fixes and not stepfile modification. The legitimacy of these changes should be determined by game managers, any other changes should require stepartist's consent. Of course step artists can request any frame fixes for their own files if needed (earlier is better, though).

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                  • Poison-
                    Nope
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3772

                    #69
                    Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                    Originally posted by bmah
                    Well I'm going to have to agree with jimerax on the fact that conversion-made framer errors are not the property of the simfile author, and therefore we should make fixes to them without hesitation.
                    I also agree.

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                    • popsicle_3000
                      Legendary Noob
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 4642

                      #70
                      Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                      i believe the intro to makiba needs a fix
                      edit: i think the ending pattern same as this is also a problem
                      Attached Files
                      Last edited by popsicle_3000; 08-24-2012, 01:11 AM.

                      Originally posted by One Winged Angel
                      39,000 popsicles pro bg blue note arrow slayer whoa damn..
                      Originally posted by Xx{Midnight}xX
                      one way to stream them all
                      Originally posted by Xiz
                      Right after sex, it skillboosted me by +10 levels from like a 35-45 about. (Which then 15 min's later I got really tired and couldn't play anymore)

                      But then my lady friend got pissed off I was playing FFR instead of playing her. Then for the rest of the night she played the 'Only want me for my body' card and I didn't get to sleep with blankets that night.
                      Originally posted by thesunfan
                      replacing ifitypedhisnameaslargeashisnamesuggests,iwouldgetbanned with theelongatedaustrocanadian3000 (pop).
                      Originally posted by reuben_tate
                      Title: Popsicle Three

                      Thousand the farthest
                      He's gone in an official
                      Whoop hip hip hooray!
                      Originally posted by U.N. Owen
                      kjwkjw: "oh my god, Tosh. Post that in the thread."

                      @popsicle_3000:
                      Danger incoming
                      The popsicles are melting
                      Three thousand of them
                      Originally posted by Wayward Vagabond
                      you got to ease the topic into some conversation and let it go from there

                      dynam0: man friend that was an intense sm session right?
                      friend: haha yeah you really nailed those patterns
                      dynam0: yeah man kind of like how gay dudes nail other gay dudes in the ass!
                      friend: hey bro can i tell you something
                      dynam0 yeah man whats up?
                      friend: hypothetically speaking would you care if i was bisexual or maybe even gay?
                      dynam0: bro we shower together after sm sessions all the time and i'll still shower with you even if you are gay or w/e thats your thing just dont try to ram my ass HAHAHA
                      friend: thanks man
                      dynam0: no problem man
                      Originally posted by One Winged Angel
                      pop takin' time out of playing irl Trauma Center to check in on his fiffer buds (mm)
                      Originally posted by Xiz
                      Well, Popsicle won every award this year so it was canceled.

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                      • Xx{Midnight}xX
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 8548

                        #71
                        Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                        Pop that's a pretty good catch.

                        Also I took the liberty of adding songs claimed in the thread to the list found in the spoiler.


                        Mourning the Lost
                        Grind2
                        Amen Iraq
                        Obscene Amount of Steam
                        Integraation
                        Skeletor
                        Rave7
                        Do I Smile?
                        Husigi Usagi Milk Tei
                        A Quick Death
                        Almost There
                        Eclipse (Solar)
                        Crowdpleaser
                        Reluctantly Accepting Temporary Overexhaustion
                        DeVouR
                        Counter Clockwise Chant Pattern
                        RAN
                        Schmollbluk
                        Hardkore Atomic
                        Saddest RMX
                        Mephisto Waltz
                        Einstein-Rosen Bridge
                        Mathsma Attack
                        Magical 8bit Tour
                        Winter Wind Etude
                        Ripoff
                        Rudi The Techno Pioneer
                        Piano Etude Demon Fire [Oni]
                        Death Piano
                        Blue Rose
                        Chik Habit
                        J'ai Envie de Plaisir X2
                        Tageri
                        Forsaken Neon
                        The Replicator
                        bmv.578
                        Calling to Mars
                        Aletheia
                        No Purpose Flour
                        Tsugihagi Construction
                        Zombie Sunset
                        Blue-Violet
                        Ninja Lad
                        Serenade Of Storm
                        Little God Channel
                        Scrap Syndrome
                        Sparkle Downer
                        Silly Symphony
                        Piano Etude (Gymnastics)
                        Red Wings Over Baron
                        Reality
                        Largiloquent Dithyramb
                        Rise Up
                        My Favorite Shoes
                        Tori No Uta (Noise Rave Mix)
                        Makiba


                        Updated to post #72 (this post)

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                        • popsicle_3000
                          Legendary Noob
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 4642

                          #72
                          Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                          i kept messing up and getting a good on the [3] or [4] of the [14]

                          Originally posted by One Winged Angel
                          39,000 popsicles pro bg blue note arrow slayer whoa damn..
                          Originally posted by Xx{Midnight}xX
                          one way to stream them all
                          Originally posted by Xiz
                          Right after sex, it skillboosted me by +10 levels from like a 35-45 about. (Which then 15 min's later I got really tired and couldn't play anymore)

                          But then my lady friend got pissed off I was playing FFR instead of playing her. Then for the rest of the night she played the 'Only want me for my body' card and I didn't get to sleep with blankets that night.
                          Originally posted by thesunfan
                          replacing ifitypedhisnameaslargeashisnamesuggests,iwouldgetbanned with theelongatedaustrocanadian3000 (pop).
                          Originally posted by reuben_tate
                          Title: Popsicle Three

                          Thousand the farthest
                          He's gone in an official
                          Whoop hip hip hooray!
                          Originally posted by U.N. Owen
                          kjwkjw: "oh my god, Tosh. Post that in the thread."

                          @popsicle_3000:
                          Danger incoming
                          The popsicles are melting
                          Three thousand of them
                          Originally posted by Wayward Vagabond
                          you got to ease the topic into some conversation and let it go from there

                          dynam0: man friend that was an intense sm session right?
                          friend: haha yeah you really nailed those patterns
                          dynam0: yeah man kind of like how gay dudes nail other gay dudes in the ass!
                          friend: hey bro can i tell you something
                          dynam0 yeah man whats up?
                          friend: hypothetically speaking would you care if i was bisexual or maybe even gay?
                          dynam0: bro we shower together after sm sessions all the time and i'll still shower with you even if you are gay or w/e thats your thing just dont try to ram my ass HAHAHA
                          friend: thanks man
                          dynam0: no problem man
                          Originally posted by One Winged Angel
                          pop takin' time out of playing irl Trauma Center to check in on his fiffer buds (mm)
                          Originally posted by Xiz
                          Well, Popsicle won every award this year so it was canceled.

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                          • Dynam0
                            The Dominator
                            • Sep 2005
                            • 8987

                            #73
                            Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                            This issue feels similar to when av-miss/scroll speed and a bunch of other features were added to help make the game more accurate and enjoyable. A lot of players who had worked hard to get even trivial stuff (by today's standards) were unhappy with how this changed the game making it easier for new players. Looking at it now, it's obvious the playing field is leveled and despite the fact that "all the work it took me to AAA blahblah way back when and now it's piss easy etc." I can say that I like the game a LOT more.

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                            • Reshiram
                              The Vast White Note
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • May 2011
                              • 1224

                              #74
                              Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                              I can provide my own framer fixes to Gravity Blast. The 192nds are a frame late and I'd be happy to shift them for everybody.

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                              • DossarLX ODI
                                Batch Manager
                                Game Manager
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Mar 2008
                                • 15013

                                #75
                                Re: Songs In Need of Framer Fixing!

                                Finished Rave7 and Skeletor. Rave7's second half feels a LOT cleaner now.

                                Not sure exactly who to send it to, though.
                                Originally posted by hi19hi19
                                oh boy, it's STIFF, I'll stretch before I sit down at the computer so not I'm not as STIFF next time I step a file

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