Completely Revised Official Tier Point System - Page 32

**CammyGoesRawr** · 12-2-2011, 01:30 PM

Byron for legend

**Elite Ninja** · 12-2-2011, 01:33 PM

UBER HYPE!

**Fooshftw** · 12-2-2011, 02:37 PM

Thanks for investing your time into this new tier point system! I remember looking back in my profile years ago and discovering tier points. The list of songs were far too difficult for me to full combo let alone AAA, so already I felt a bit segregated from the majority of players. Now, I still can't full combo any of these songs, which is fine since I'm a pretty casual player... but I can pass some of them at least. My love for the game kept me playing, but I wish ideas like this were around back then, I think I would have enjoyed the game even more with a competitive kind of feel.

Adding some of the easier songs is a worthwhile effort to help people get an idea of where they stand and maybe get more involved early on. Great work!

**TheSaxRunner05** · 12-2-2011, 02:57 PM

Adding the token songs to the bonus will make me play them, at least the easy ones, lol.
Great job here

**qqwref** · 12-2-2011, 03:34 PM

I like adding token songs too - might give Dossar some incentive to get the rest of those done

PS: We're working on recoding the TP page, although it'll take a few days because of school. For now we're just changing the layout, but hopefully soon we can get the new types of requirements (raw score and 'pass the song') implemented, and then it's just a matter of entering in the requirements. Get hype!

hXcalltheway · 01-11-2012, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qqwref

I like adding token songs too - might give Dossar some incentive to get the rest of those done

PS: We're working on recoding the TP page, although it'll take a few days because of school. For now we're just changing the layout, but hopefully soon we can get the new types of requirements (raw score and 'pass the song') implemented, and then it's just a matter of entering in the requirements. Get hype!

LOL..yea ok.

**Jerry DB** · 12-2-2011, 08:03 PM

The list is lookin good great job guys

**emulord** · 12-2-2011, 08:31 PM

% for bonus points is a sick idea. Yeah include tokens.

Heres a crazy suggestion:
% FCs also count for bonus points. Gives people incentives to FC songs they can't AAA and arn't worth TP.

**qqwref** · 12-2-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

Heres a crazy suggestion:
% FCs also count for bonus points. Gives people incentives to FC songs they can't AAA and arn't worth TP.

I think this would just encourage mashing to FC the highest-difficulty songs, and we don't want to suggest that the ability to mash makes someone more skillful.

**TheSaxRunner05** · 12-2-2011, 08:37 PM

^ ------- Mashing incentive
Edit:// Gah ninja'd

**emulord** · 12-2-2011, 08:39 PM

yeah, like every 10-11 songs, 1 TP
Is that a big deal?
Its pretty hard to FC 10-12 songs regardless. Its way easier to get more TPs by getting better at tier songs. I doubt anyone will mash for TPs.
This is so someone who goes and FC's Dance 1 actually gets some reward.

**TheSaxRunner05** · 12-2-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

I doubt anyone will mash for TPs.

Go look at my mephisto's waltz and Tageri scores lol

**emulord** · 12-2-2011, 08:56 PM

Oh people mash for TPs now, but solid mashing would only give you 1 TP for passing with the current system.
So even with FC bonus points, it would still reward mashers far less. It'd be like 1.09 TPs for mash FCing a FGO, vs 1 TP for just passing it

**YoshL** · 12-2-2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

Oh people mash for TPs now, but solid mashing would only give you 1 TP for passing with the current system.
So even with FC bonus points, it would still reward mashers far less. It'd be like 1.09 TPs for mash FCing a FGO, vs 1 TP for just passing it

This TP system was even made raw scoring to discourage mashing out for TPS.

-1 for %FCs

XxMidigamixX · 12-2-2011, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

Oh people mash for TPs now, but solid mashing would only give you 1 TP for passing with the current system.
So even with FC bonus points, it would still reward mashers far less. It'd be like 1.09 TPs for mash FCing a FGO, vs 1 TP for just passing it

Raw scoring focus on PAing a file not comboing a file. If Byron and the other had decided to go with combo scoring instead of raw scoring, then there would be no problem with it. But its no longer going to use lolcomboscoring.

Anyhow, I liked how the TP list turned out. Hyped for the release (and lmao at the lower reqs for the "For Dossar Only" files xP)

**emulord** · 12-2-2011, 09:21 PM

I know, but it rewards FCs with absolutely nothing. Can this be changed? It seems like it should be worth something, even if its not very much.

**YoshL** · 12-2-2011, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

I know, but it rewards FCs with absolutely nothing. Can this be changed? It seems like it should be worth something, even if its not very much.

emulord trying to take advantage of his full FC bar *whistles

**iironiic** · 12-2-2011, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

I know, but it rewards FCs with absolutely nothing. Can this be changed? It seems like it should be worth something, even if its not very much.

FCing songs is rewarded with the associated low ranks you get from playing a song since the game is combo-based. There is no further need to reward people with FC's***.

It's why I also discourage AAAs to be the max requirement, but I suppose some AAAs should be rewarded since AAAing some files is very difficult.

**i love you** · 12-2-2011, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emulord

I know, but it rewards FCs with absolutely nothing. Can this be changed? It seems like it should be worth something, even if its not very much.

If the majority of the community does not want this to be changed into this revised TP system then we will never change it. Also, remember that when you Full Combo a file, you are guaranteed to get at least one or two tier points and sometimes even more points if your PA meets the higher requirements even without an FC.

Bonuses are designed for players who have done the extra work by unlocking tokens and by playing all of the FFR files that is not included in this TP system and AAAing those (including tokens). I think this system is pretty strong as it is and will only get stronger as we head towards the future. Also, mashing your way to an FC is not considered skill at all. We highly want to encourage players to not mash for a Full Combo! (:

**emulord** · 12-2-2011, 09:40 PM

lol, we already slightly reward antiskill with token AAAs being worth something small.
Idk I think FCing is a skill, and mashing is a part of FC skill.

12-2-2011, 01:30 PM	#1
CammyGoesRawr nocturnal girl (〜✘﹏✘)〜 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Age: 31 Posts: 2,477	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Byron for legend __________________

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12-2-2011, 02:37 PM	#3
Fooshftw FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Thanks for investing your time into this new tier point system! I remember looking back in my profile years ago and discovering tier points. The list of songs were far too difficult for me to full combo let alone AAA, so already I felt a bit segregated from the majority of players. Now, I still can't full combo any of these songs, which is fine since I'm a pretty casual player... but I can pass some of them at least. My love for the game kept me playing, but I wish ideas like this were around back then, I think I would have enjoyed the game even more with a competitive kind of feel. Adding some of the easier songs is a worthwhile effort to help people get an idea of where they stand and maybe get more involved early on. Great work!

12-2-2011, 02:57 PM	#4
TheSaxRunner05 The Doctor Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 6,145	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Adding the token songs to the bonus will make me play them, at least the easy ones, lol. Great job here __________________

12-2-2011, 03:34 PM	#5
qqwref stepmania archaeologist Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 34 Posts: 4,090	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System I like adding token songs too - might give Dossar some incentive to get the rest of those done PS: We're working on recoding the TP page, although it'll take a few days because of school. For now we're just changing the layout, but hopefully soon we can get the new types of requirements (raw score and 'pass the song') implemented, and then it's just a matter of entering in the requirements. Get hype! __________________ Best AAA: Policy In The Sky [Oni] (81) Best SDG: PANTS (86) Best FC: Future Invasion (93)

12-2-2011, 08:03 PM	#7
Jerry DB FFR, lift, repeat Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: oregon Age: 32 Posts: 2,071	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System The list is lookin good great job guys __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

12-2-2011, 08:31 PM	#8
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System % for bonus points is a sick idea. Yeah include tokens. Heres a crazy suggestion: % FCs also count for bonus points. Gives people incentives to FC songs they can't AAA and arn't worth TP.

12-2-2011, 08:37 PM	#10
TheSaxRunner05 The Doctor Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 35 Posts: 6,145	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System ^ ------- Mashing incentive Edit:// Gah ninja'd __________________

12-2-2011, 08:39 PM	#11
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System yeah, like every 10-11 songs, 1 TP Is that a big deal? Its pretty hard to FC 10-12 songs regardless. Its way easier to get more TPs by getting better at tier songs. I doubt anyone will mash for TPs. This is so someone who goes and FC's Dance 1 actually gets some reward.

12-2-2011, 08:56 PM	#13
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System Oh people mash for TPs now, but solid mashing would only give you 1 TP for passing with the current system. So even with FC bonus points, it would still reward mashers far less. It'd be like 1.09 TPs for mash FCing a FGO, vs 1 TP for just passing it

12-2-2011, 09:21 PM	#16
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System I know, but it rewards FCs with absolutely nothing. Can this be changed? It seems like it should be worth something, even if its not very much.

12-2-2011, 09:40 PM	#20
emulord FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 778	Re: Completely Revised Official Tier Point System lol, we already slightly reward antiskill with token AAAs being worth something small. Idk I think FCing is a skill, and mashing is a part of FC skill.

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