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albaneenesk8r
06-27-2007, 06:46 PM
This Tournament is for all players, there will be no EXPERT ADVANCED stuff like that, there will only be one sign up group. This pool will be a 32 man
tourney, Sign ups are *FULL**FULL**FULL*
This is how the Scoring will be setup, This is based on a point system not a Combo system!
1 perfect = 1 point
2 goods = 1 point
Average = 0 points
a miss = -5 points
a boo = -2 points
[ Example: You show a SS of {Red Alert} and you got a score of 490 perfects,2 goods, 3 average, 1 miss, 3 boos ]
Your Round Point score will be 484
you will need to be able to send a SS
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/images/uploads/albaneenesk8r1181671437princess.JPG
which will look like this.
RULES: No cheating, No letting another user to obtain a score for you, No late Screen shots will be accepted, unless you have a good reason!
Other than that guys have fun, this will be 1v1 Combat 32>16>8>4>2
This will be fair and just. Please follow the rules and this will be a great tourney.
NO money will be given out, just credits
PRIZES: (REVISED)
1st: 40000 credits
2nd: 30000 credits
3rd: 10000 credits
PARTICIPANTS: [32]
x_Dragun_x -eliminated
StepmaniaGod6969-eliminated
i love you-eliminated
Liquid3arth
solopro-eliminated
Nu0n--eliminated
sexyinpinkeliminated
albaneenesk8r
paramountgymnst-eliminated
RB_IcePh0enix-eliminated
ryanisadouche-eliminated
obie32one-eliminated
Windscarredfaith-eliminated
Reardon123-eliminated
lXD-eliminated
AK_Parker-eliminated
dcr-eliminated
intensez-eliminated
WTFBrandon-eliminated
1337h4xz0r -eliminated
Doug31
jimerax-eliminated
rshadow8888-eliminated
OuterSpace-eliminated
Nick_S_199-eliminated
Pobeli-eliminated
demon777-eliminated
-paexaea--eliminated
v0lcom-eliminated
s0d1-eliminated
The Rapture-eliminated
Sprite-
FOURTH ROUND SONG : TGWP part 4
Please submit a SS via thread post!
THE FOURTH ROUND BRACKETS RELEASED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
albaneenesk8r
vs
Doug31
NOTE* Winner Moves ON!!!!!!! 1 LOSS = BYE BYE!!!!
Good luck to everybody!
The Finals Will be a 1v1 last 2 people, It will be Best of 3 songs, (player1) picks a song (player2) picks a song Then (Admin) will pick the third and final song! This makes things a little more interesting, Good lucky fellaz <3
The Fourth Round Ends, Saturday July 14th 9:00pm EST.
x_Dragun_x
06-27-2007, 06:48 PM
ill join
*Edit* but those songs are a easy aaa for the final few songs for some people that will probably join >.<
StepmaniaGod6969
06-27-2007, 06:49 PM
im in
Liquid3arth
06-27-2007, 06:50 PM
ill join
solopro
06-27-2007, 06:58 PM
I'll join. I don't really care.
albaneenesk8r
06-27-2007, 07:04 PM
More People!
sign me up! albaneenesk8r i love the idea for this tourney
sexyinpink
06-27-2007, 08:30 PM
in i guess
good, btw guys i will be happy to say i am going to help my friend albaneenes8r format this tourney, so don't be shy when it comes to signing up. This is going to be really fun.
jugglinguy
06-27-2007, 08:55 PM
I'm kind of confused? Every new tourney seems to show all of their songs. I don't get it.
albaneenesk8r
06-27-2007, 09:13 PM
I'm kind of confused? Every new tourney seems to show all of their songs. I don't get it.
I updated the Main post, You will understand everything better now, and I am not picking the songs, I found a good OUTSIDE source that is taking care of that, and they will be chosen they day of each round.
RB_IcePh0enix
06-27-2007, 09:16 PM
Sign ups are OPEN till Sunday June 1st.
Wow, that's a pretty long wait don'tcha think?
ryanisadouche
06-27-2007, 09:38 PM
I'll give it a try I suppose
obie32one
06-27-2007, 09:45 PM
Sign me up.
paramountgymnst
06-28-2007, 07:08 AM
I'm in.
Windscarredfaith
06-28-2007, 09:31 AM
In.
Reardon123
06-28-2007, 09:38 AM
I'll join! :)
AK_Parker
06-28-2007, 10:10 AM
I'm in.
Does it have to be be princess? I hate that song:(
CR_fLiP_fOaM
06-28-2007, 10:21 AM
what kind of scoring points is that. It looks like ddr but still -10 on a miss lol. Wow dude that's stupid. Only -2 on a boo sorry dude but that's lame. It' should be
Perfect +4
Good + 2
average 0
Misses -2
boo -4
This game is call PA on ddr tourney so yeah.. it should be that way
what kind of scoring points is that. It looks like ddr but still -10 on a miss lol. Wow dude that's stupid. Only -2 on a boo sorry dude but that's lame. It' should be
Perfect +4
Good + 2
average 0
Misses -2
boo -4
This game is call PA on ddr tourney so yeah.. it should be that way
no that scoring is fine, sign up
intensez
06-28-2007, 10:34 AM
ill join
CR_fLiP_fOaM
06-28-2007, 11:01 AM
no that scoring is fine, sign up
-10 on miss.. that's rediculous lol.
Thank's anyway, I"m already on 4 tourney so I won't have time to submit and stuff
obie32one
06-28-2007, 11:14 AM
Sign me up
EDIT: Never mind...I forgot I already did.
Is a AAA on 8 bit dreamer good?
WTFBrandon
06-28-2007, 11:15 AM
I will join but im going to get anally raped...
Meh, should be fun ;]
albaneenesk8r
06-28-2007, 11:21 AM
hahah umm 8 bit dreamer?
idk is a 14 good FC with 1 boo on gradeus good?. well for your skill dcr. yes i guess that is considered good.
and thank you everyone for joining and im hoping more people will be joining soon.
so every one that reads this please ask some very good players to join for meh =D
1337h4xz0r
06-28-2007, 11:47 AM
I guess i'm down. =P
Doug31
06-28-2007, 12:56 PM
Fine, I'll join, even though I'm already in way too many tourneys.
jimerax
06-28-2007, 12:58 PM
ok, I'm in.
albaneenesk8r
06-28-2007, 01:06 PM
whoot. hehe still need 10 more players
albaneenesk8r
06-28-2007, 01:56 PM
bump/updated
more pplz please
rshadow8888
06-28-2007, 01:57 PM
I forget if I joined this or not. If not, i'm in.
OuterSpace
06-28-2007, 03:15 PM
Okay I'll join..
Nick_S_199
06-28-2007, 03:18 PM
Whatever, I'm in, it will give me a reason to play ffr :/
sweet deal we need 7 more guys!!!
WTFBrandon
06-29-2007, 12:09 AM
When is this tournament neways? o.o
albaneenesk8r
06-29-2007, 10:57 AM
tomorrow
Pobeli
06-29-2007, 11:02 AM
OK I join.
-10 for a miss is still more generous than FFR's combo-based system...
How does it work if you get an odd number of goods? 0.5 points per good?
WTFBrandon
06-29-2007, 02:34 PM
Snap really?
What time?
Im supposed to be leaving tomorrow to go to my uncles house for some big Canada day's party.
Not sure if I can make it D=
I might be able to play there though, see if he has internet and a computer and I might be able to play ;]
albaneenesk8r
06-29-2007, 04:33 PM
OK I join.
-10 for a miss is still more generous than FFR's combo-based system...
How does it work if you get an odd number of goods? 0.5 points per good?
yah it is..
and yes you get .5 points for odd amounts of goods.
and the tournament starts tomorrow at 10 PM
demon777
06-29-2007, 06:12 PM
im in :D
-paexaea-
06-29-2007, 08:06 PM
I'm in. Fo' sho'. :O
v0lcom
06-29-2007, 08:37 PM
Let Me In Please! :)
FalcoLombardi
06-30-2007, 07:42 AM
i'm in fer sure
Sprite-
06-30-2007, 09:31 AM
put me in
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 02:26 PM
and BTW everyone. TOURNEY HAS STARTED...
song LEGEND
so get in those SS's
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/images/uploads/albaneenesk8r1183231563tourney SS.JPG
Pobeli
06-30-2007, 02:43 PM
jimerax
vs
Pobeli
I guess I won't advance. :(
Actually, I haven't really played Legend. Maybe I'll do OK. What happens in the case of a tie?
intensez
06-30-2007, 02:53 PM
paramountgymnst
vs.
intensez
Huh.... I'm not sure if I will or not. I haven't really seen any SSs from paramountgymnst, and I have never played him in MP.
i love you
06-30-2007, 03:16 PM
This might do.
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/7136/sumbit7wv8.png
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 03:18 PM
I guess I won't advance. :(
Actually, I haven't really played Legend. Maybe I'll do OK. What happens in the case of a tie?
there will be a tie breaker song
Pobeli
06-30-2007, 03:41 PM
Can it be EHHS? :D
Oh, one more question: do the scores have to be gotten within the time period, or can we submit old scores?
StepmaniaGod6969
06-30-2007, 03:49 PM
sure glad a FC really does'nt matter lol
1104 points
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa72/StepmaniaGod6969/Legend.jpg
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 03:56 PM
Can it be EHHS? :D
Oh, one more question: do the scores have to be gotten within the time period, or can we submit old scores?
had to be within the time frame.
and the tie breaker will bee.....
ubver rave V2
jimerax
06-30-2007, 04:14 PM
oh I have to be against one of the best players there at the first round.
not EHHS plz lol
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 04:15 PM
it wont be. it will be uber rave V2
Pobeli
06-30-2007, 04:34 PM
Is Uber Rave v2 hard? Where is it? I don't think I have it. What if we tie on the tiebreaker?
Thanks for the compliment jimerax, but I think you're still better than I am in general. I haven't played Legend yet, but I'll probably do that this evening or tomorrow. What's it like?
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 04:42 PM
the song is very fun. hard to PA but youll have an easy time doing it since your really good.
and uber rave V2 is in purchased
jimerax
06-30-2007, 04:57 PM
Is Uber Rave v2 hard? Where is it? I don't think I have it. What if we tie on the tiebreaker?
Thanks for the compliment jimerax, but I think you're still better than I am in general. I haven't played Legend yet, but I'll probably do that this evening or tomorrow. What's it like?
8th jacky file with weird rhythm.
I think I AAA'd Legend before, but basically suck at it.
Uber V2 is way easier than Legend, no idea why it's for tiebreaker.
Pobeli
06-30-2007, 04:59 PM
We should have a hard song for tiebreaker... like EHHS.
Actually I dunno if I will be able to AAA Legend. I might get eliminated with no tiebreaker.
intensez
06-30-2007, 05:38 PM
What happens if you don't have Uber Rave v2 and you're in a tie? I haven't bought it yet.
EDIT: I'm going to try to FC Legend with at least no misses. I can't AAA that song.
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 05:47 PM
well. buy it. everyone obviously has credits.....
Doug31
06-30-2007, 06:22 PM
What happens if you don't have Uber Rave v2 and you're in a tie? I haven't bought it yet.
EDIT: I'm going to try to FC Legend with at least no misses. I can't AAA that song.
An FC means no misses.
Also, I hate jack syndrome songs that are really hard but would be really easy if they weren't so jack syndromeish, oh well, maybe this can be good enough, I really suck with jack syndrome.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3240/legendbl2.jpg
Sprite-
06-30-2007, 06:30 PM
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o36/unnormaldude68/Tournaments/LegendTourney.jpg
StepmaniaGod6969
06-30-2007, 06:40 PM
better score
1120
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa72/StepmaniaGod6969/Legend-1.jpg
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 07:16 PM
OK FINE tie breaker is sympathizer
Doug31
06-30-2007, 07:26 PM
Much better, since it's so much less likely to be a tie.
albaneenesk8r
06-30-2007, 09:10 PM
the tie breaker will be fun
MrZombie
06-30-2007, 09:32 PM
I call bs. =X
intensez
06-30-2007, 09:43 PM
EDIT: Never mind. Just noticed the tiebreaker was changed.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4yfjek2.jpg
lol why are people not fcing this
Doug31
06-30-2007, 10:46 PM
It's called jack syndrome. And it makes this song harder to FC than Silence or Balloon Fever.
Pobeli
06-30-2007, 10:48 PM
Why Silence and Balloon Fever?
Doug31
06-30-2007, 10:51 PM
Just some songs that came to mind that are much higher on the JX scale.
and i cant come close to fcing either of those rofl =[
jimerax
07-1-2007, 09:41 AM
go for the AAA, pobeli.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v709/jimerax/legendAAA_tn.png
Liquid3arth
07-1-2007, 09:51 AM
decent score....can prob AAA this
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/D1LL-_-/legend.jpg
Pobeli
07-1-2007, 11:43 AM
go for the AAA, pobeli.
Oh crud. I haven't played any FFR in a few days but I might play today. Tomorrow almost definitely.
Nice score, I think, based on what people have said about the file. I think I tried it once but I can't really remember it. I'll see what I can do.
albaneenesk8r
07-1-2007, 01:30 PM
haha well start playing dear =]
OuterSpace
07-2-2007, 12:31 PM
Well.
I got a score!
But I'm not gonna waste my time posting it on here since I already see like, 4 better scores at least.
Lmao.
GOOD LUCK TO YOU GUYS THOUGH.
Pobeli
07-2-2007, 02:41 PM
You guys were right. This is hard. :( I've played it four times and got 2 with some misses, 4 FC, and 1-1-1-1 and something bad. I think I can AAA it though maybe. It's just a matter of whether or not I get frustrated and give up first.
Edit:
YAY I GOT IT. Screenshot in a minute. I was just excited and felt like editing already.
Edit again:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Elirin/legend.jpg
Edit again x2:
I got 4 goods 1 boo on Sympathizer, but I think the first 3 goods were because of lag. What do you have so far, jimerax? It looks like 3 goods, from the highscore list, but was that during the period of this tournament? Or from before?
Edit:
Now 5 goods, but no boo, which I guess is better by this scoring system.
solopro
07-2-2007, 03:31 PM
Well, first time I did this song.
jimerax
07-2-2007, 03:42 PM
I got 4 goods 1 boo on Sympathizer, but I think the first 3 goods were because of lag. What do you have so far, jimerax? It looks like 3 goods, from the highscore list, but was that during the period of this tournament? Or from before?
wow, that's pretty nice.
yea my best on sympa was 3 goods, it's a bit old score though.
still I have no idea what song is for tiebreaker, is it sympa?
albaneenesk8r
07-2-2007, 03:43 PM
this round ends tonight everyone.. at 10 PM
so get in your SS's or you auto forfeit the tournament =[
Pobeli
07-2-2007, 03:44 PM
I think so.
I got rid of the boo... this is the best I could do in a handful of tries. If we tie again can we do EHHS for a tiebreaker? Or maybe have both of us continue to the next round in place of people who don't submit scores?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/Elirin/sympathizer3.jpg
albaneenesk8r
07-2-2007, 03:45 PM
wow, that's pretty nice.
yea my best on sympa was 3 goods, it's a bit old score though.
still I have no idea what song is for tiebreaker, is it sympa?
yes the tie breaker is sympathizer so there is less chance of there being another tie in that case there would be a sudden death round where the song would be Demon Fire {piano etude} or what ever.....
so keep it you too. it will be a shame to lose one of you guys but it has to be done =[
jimerax
07-2-2007, 03:46 PM
I doubt I can play that song well in a few hours..
If it's a tiebreaker, prolly you'll win.
Pobeli
07-2-2007, 03:48 PM
Demon Fire {piano etude}
Oh no...
If you tie my score it's just as good as if you beat it, because I can definitely not beat you at Demon Fire jimerax. At least probably not.
albaneenesk8r
07-2-2007, 04:34 PM
well get crackin..
Pobeli
07-2-2007, 04:49 PM
Why do people sign up and then not participate?
I think 4 goods is the best I'll do on Sympathizer, at least now, so I guess I'm out if jimerax beats that.
i love you
07-2-2007, 04:49 PM
i forfeit
jimerax
07-2-2007, 04:54 PM
I think this is decent demon fire PA score, combo/boos suck though
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5510/pianotnpt8.png
couldn't even FC sympa now lol, I won't beat pobeli's score anytime soon.
Pobeli
07-2-2007, 05:00 PM
I can beat the PA on 2.0x, and I can beat the combo/cb's on 1.75x, but I don't think I can beat both at once.
Do I have to play Demon Fire too or only if jimerax ties my Sympathizer?
albaneenesk8r
07-2-2007, 05:03 PM
you have to play sympathizer.. both of you.. and trhen if you guys some how tied on that song.. you would play demon fire
Pobeli
07-2-2007, 06:02 PM
Are you going to possibly extend the first round longer if nobody submits scores? Because if it were to end right now, there would only be about 8 people left.
demon777
07-2-2007, 08:26 PM
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3849/a1la3.png
not the greatest but id rather post a score and lose then forfeit
albaneenesk8r
07-2-2007, 08:46 PM
nope. all SS's had to be turned in today at 10 PM which is in 15 minutes.
and i guess all will just have to suffer
albaneenesk8r
07-2-2007, 08:57 PM
ROUND 2 HAS BEGUN
song: Vertex Beta
there are only 8 people left in this round.........
1st place = 40,000 credits
2nd place = 30,000 credits
3rd place = 10,000 credits
Pobeli
07-2-2007, 10:00 PM
What's the tiebreaker going to be? Can it be EHHS? :D
^ EHHS addict.
albaneenesk8r
07-2-2007, 10:43 PM
i know you are..
i pick the tie breaker......
Doug31
07-4-2007, 12:06 AM
Me vs. Nu0n on VB? That's just about the worst possible luck. Oh well, I lose.
Pobeli
07-4-2007, 10:28 AM
Would you rather be against me or Sprite?
Doug31
07-4-2007, 01:36 PM
Nu0n's better than you two are on Vertex BETA, so yes.
Pobeli
07-4-2007, 02:04 PM
I'm planning to AAA it. I just haven't played FFR in a few days.
lol, this is going to be interesting...
Doug31
07-4-2007, 05:36 PM
Lol you could probably play it once and beat me.
Edit: here's my score:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/9941/vbtt0.jpg
blehh albanee your gunna beat me haha :(
demon777
07-4-2007, 06:04 PM
lol im sure any of you can beat this but i don't have a lot of time right now to spend getting a lot better at this and fast hehe
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6731/a2gi1.png
albaneenesk8r
07-5-2007, 10:53 AM
im evil =]
albaneenesk8r
07-5-2007, 10:54 AM
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/images/uploads/albaneenesk8r1182749966loll.JPG
albaneenesk8r
07-5-2007, 10:56 AM
Lol.. Told You I Was Better =]
Pobeli
07-5-2007, 11:38 AM
I keep meaning to play and then forgetting or not wanting to. I guess I should do that this afternoon.
Liquid3arth
07-5-2007, 12:23 PM
YES!!! I FINALL FC'D IT WITH GOOD PA! :)
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/D1LL-_-/VB.jpg
Pobeli
07-5-2007, 03:11 PM
I played for a while and kept avmissing halfway through with 0 goods, and I wasn't really having much fun, so I quit.
I might try again to get in a score tomorrow, but I dunno. I just enjoy stepmania more...
really nice score Liquid3arth :D
I will submit my score tomorrow morning.
Liquid3arth
07-6-2007, 06:29 AM
really nice score Liquid3arth :D
I will submit my score tomorrow morning.
thanks :) i could never FC it with good PA....i would have like 1 or 2 goods and sometimes none at like 1200....then miss one....but i think this score would be good. Im gunna try to upgrade it b.c now a lot of tourney songs are Vertex BETA.
Sprite-
07-6-2007, 08:58 PM
omg 3 minutes to go.. i forgot lol
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o36/unnormaldude68/Tournaments/VertexBetaTourney.jpg
w.e first try without trying
albaneenesk8r
07-7-2007, 06:07 PM
ROUND 3 HAS BEGUN
only 4 remain....
song is uber rave located in dance 2
have fun every one =]
Doug31
07-7-2007, 06:24 PM
Omg...how could you have done a difficulty jump...a jump to a song of that much LOWER difficulty??
lol this is funny Good luck albaneenesk8r :D
albaneenesk8r
07-7-2007, 06:47 PM
becuase im an ass....
Doug31
07-7-2007, 06:52 PM
Lame.
albaneenesk8r
07-7-2007, 06:56 PM
just AAA it
Doug31
07-7-2007, 06:58 PM
rofl, my best on it isn't even an FC, I doubt I could AAA it in 1000 tries.
Sprite-
07-7-2007, 06:59 PM
gl doug lol...
i probably cant AAA it
rshadow8888
07-7-2007, 09:56 PM
rofl, my best on it isn't even an FC, I doubt I could AAA it in 1000 tries.
I must say before I forget, nice new avi.
WTFBrandon
07-9-2007, 02:15 AM
Is it to late to forfit? =[
albaneenesk8r
07-9-2007, 07:45 AM
there is mine =]
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q145/xxmikekirslis/uberrave.jpg
Sprite-
07-9-2007, 10:43 PM
when is the deadline?
prolly wednesday night
hes been busy the past couple days
Sprite-
07-9-2007, 11:10 PM
i am highly convinced that you can beat this easily... but until you do im submitting it because i dont feel like whoring it. once u beat it i guess ill try to beat urs lol
Doug31
07-9-2007, 11:13 PM
I don't even think I can beat that, especially since I'm too lazy to try much.
awww mike why couldnt i have vsed you this round i could rape some bitches at uber
albaneenesk8r
07-11-2007, 12:20 AM
well round ends tomorrow.. lets hope i dont win it
XD
Sprite-
07-11-2007, 04:09 PM
it says it ends tuesday july 10th 9pm EST
Doug31
07-11-2007, 04:24 PM
Yay, lucky first try of the day, even though it lagged near the beginning and got me one of those goods.
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2950/uberraveur0.jpg
albaneenesk8r
07-12-2007, 04:44 AM
ok well round ended.
i guess it's me and doug =/
albaneenesk8r
07-12-2007, 04:52 AM
haha well try this on for sizzle ma nizzle
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/images/uploads/albaneenesk8r1183322169TGWP part 4 PA attack XD.JPG
Sprite-
07-12-2007, 12:02 PM
o dammit i forgot lmao. gj doug.... i didnt think u were gonna play it
Doug31
07-12-2007, 12:21 PM
TGWP part 4? Isn't that even easier? Oh well, I figure I can easily get 3 goods or fewer on it if I try.
Edit: This should be good enough:
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/5485/tgwp4wi0.jpg
albaneenesk8r
07-12-2007, 12:54 PM
hmm ill just AAA it
Doug31
07-12-2007, 12:59 PM
i cant do ANY better than a 8 good FC so try and beat it =[ which i know you will =P
hmm ill just AAA it
Lol, you better not AAA it.
albaneenesk8r
07-12-2007, 01:26 PM
oh but i will =P
Phone number phone number yo number yo number
lawlz lawlz lawlz lawlz - 1234 area code yeah right
call me call me call me call me call me talk talk talk talk
hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha
im just crazy crazy, if there was an underground FFR league status id be there in a heart beat.
Doug31
07-15-2007, 02:10 AM
Ha, according to your first post, the round is over now, and you still haven't submitted a score. On top of that, it says the other person gets to pick the next song in the finals in a best 2 out of 3, so I pick OMW.
Err, edit: You did submit the 8 good score, but you didn't submit anything better than my 2 good score.
colt.45
07-15-2007, 02:46 AM
oh damn i forgot i was in this rofl
Doug31
07-15-2007, 01:10 PM
Let's see, this should be good enough hehe.
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/495/omwgx4.jpg
Edit: Even better hahaha, there's no way you'll beat this:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2518/omwlb9.jpg
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