TWG XII - Velyssis Victory!

[Narrator]

Velyssis was established in 1999 as a small military organization which was attempting to devise a sound-based weapon. Neil Velyssis was the head and founder of the project; he created the idea after reading papers on psychoacoustics.

In 2001, the project had its first breakthrough. Frequency resonant weaponry was devised which could internally destroy the system of a rat. Lab tests showed that the rats endured immense pain, but died with no noticeable symptoms of trauma. Afraid of being limited by the United Nations, the government quickly marked the project as classified and the members were only allowed to leave at the cost of their life.

The project grew quickly, the first human casualty occurred in November of 2001 when an individual standing 2.1km from the resonant source died while testing the radius of an improved resonator. That's the point when things went wrong… Neil Velyssis, realizing that he had conceptualized an aural atomic bomb, fled from the project on Christmas Eve.

The CIA tried to uphold their promise… they wanted Neil dead. However, after a month of searching they had no trace of him. Realizing the project was in jeopardy, the CIA commissioned Amphor labs to develop new and upgraded systems in certain Velyssis members. They planted CC3 chips in every individual. The chips did nothing more than mark a person as being a member of the Velyssis team. Shortly afterwards, Amphor labs also upgraded two members of the project with special modifications… Both attempts were successful. Later that year, Amphor received a case of a man who could emit electrical forcefields after a biomechanoid malfunction near a resonant testing zone. The man was given a CC3 chip and put on the Velyssis team. By late 2004 the Velyssis team measured sixteen members strong with one dissenter still left in the wild.

Amphor couldn't keep quiet. In April a 2004 CIA operative picked up a newspaper, the front headline read, "Company reports existence of a man with electrical charge." Two weeks later, Amphor didn't exist.

And Neil Velyssis had a trump card up his sleeve…

On March 1, 2005, Neil's pet detonated its payload. CIA Command Security woke up to find a rack of computer towers billowing smoke… All data recovery attempts failed. All information pertaining to Velyssis had, quite literally, gone up in smoke. ComSec tried to locate Amphor information on the upgraded CC3 chips, but came up with nothing. In desperation, Comsec began scanning encrypted networks all across the world trying to find Neil.

They hit their mark this time. A number station transmission from an unknown source described an infiltration of Velyssis.




(ComSec is distributing papers now)


Player List:
nforcer06164 - nforcer06164
lightdarkness - lightdarkness42
kilgamayan - BJStrattonIM
blahblah18 - mastr414
eyespewgreekfire - eyespewgreekfire
ImEric12 - Chickensofdoom
tasselfoot - Tasselfoot
afrobean - Afrobean16
neonatrias - The Last Kitsune
TPS222 - TPS7910
flypie743 - Flypie743
mead1 - Fhqwhgads703
JurseyRider734 - xtrialanderrorx
evilbutterfly - evilbutterfly87
alainbryden - neigh006
hanssky - notsofaroff


SEND ALL PRIVATE MESSAGES FOR NIGHT DECISIONS TO NARRATOR
Edit: I suggest you read the story carefully this game, it is pertinent to the game.

[ComSec]

<img src=http://zastari.acunett.com/TWGXII/VELESP.png>

Update: I've sent out what I know men. Now all we can do is wait.

Remember, ComSec doesn't know everything. If we knew who those scandalous bastards were right now they'd be dead on the floor.

[Narrator]

It is night one, please send all PMs to me, Narrator

[Narrator]

The sun welled up like a burning hazel red ember into the sky that morning. Thirty blood shot eyes fell open; thirty feet paced a somber walk to their car; The sun hung over fifteen men casting shadows like flittering knives as they stepped into Velyssis HQ that morning.

Two men from ComSec were standing at the door. The man on the left had a face that was worn and hard. The wrinkled lines read like myriad distressed words. The man on the right stood there like a white sheet, expressionless.

"You all knew this was inevitable"

"What was?" A lone voice from the fifteen figures replied.

"They're active, notice anyone who isn't here?

The fifteen figures slowly looked around with downcast eyes. They each ran through digits in their head. Fifteen, fifteen, Velyssis is not fifteen strong. Fifteen, Velyssis has lost a man.

Another figure slowly tilted his head up, "Wait, Blahblah18 isn't here. No, bull****, how could this happen?"

The second man from ComSec responded in a tone as bereft of animation as his face, "Some of you are working for Neil..."

[ComSec]

<img src=http://zastari.acunett.com/TWGXII/reportday1.png>

Please have a decision by 2100CST this Friday. We will discuss who to remove at this time.

[evilbutterfly]

Currently two (2) individuals have clear links established with comsec. You will be informed should one disappear.

In the story it mentioned 3 people with special abilities. 2 had special implants, the other had lightning shooting stuff. I'll assume the lightning guy is the guardian and the other two are psychic and seer, respectively. I'll also assume the 2 specials that weren't accidental are the ones that are in contact with comsec. Therefore, the most we could've lost tonight was the guardian, and I seriously doubt the agents have that much luck.

Now, Mr. Narrator, I'm a bit angry we didn't get any details of the dead body. You said the story would be important to the game and we may find clues, so I would have hoped that we'd get a look at how blah died in order to may be get clues. May be this is asking too much, though.

Other than what that may bring, I have no idea who could've done this. blah's a good choice, I'd say. Between him and Tass, one of them was bound to get killed pretty early.

[mead1]

I guess the gaurdian gaurd'D Tass...

No real good to try to over-analyze this kill. Simple and clean vet death.

Edit: forgot to add a hypothosis about roles. I think this game has a master wolf. He said the Neil guy had a trick up his sleeve (or something of the like). The only real trick the infiltraitors could have would be the master wolf... or maybe the devil, but I think the former is more likely.

[Afrobean]

This was truly an excellent choice for the wolves to kill. Blah is an excellent player. Any one as a wolf would want him dead. It leaves us with no leads.

I guess the gaurdian gaurd'D Tass...
I wouldn't be so sure of that. The wolves know that Tass is highly helpful to the humans, and the guardian knows that the wolves know this and the wolves know that the guardian knows that the wolves want him dead. If that made as much sense as I hope it did, you'll see that the wolves likely won't touch Tass unless they're pretty sure that he won't be guarded, which leaves the guardian basically free to guard someone else. Personally, if I had to guess who would be wolfed, I would have guessed eb. I'm actually surprised the wolves didn't go for him, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's who was guarded last night.

[nforcer06164]

The wolves that picked blah got lucky then, because one of those two, blah or Tass, was bound to get guarded.

I wasn't in chats long enough to see anything truly suspicious, but I am a little leery of eyespew, because the way he acted utterly clueless about not getting two PMs seemed odd. It just didn't strike me as normal; that is, the way he brought it up. It gives me the feeling that either he actually did get two PMs, and was only playing on the PM discussion we had already been having. I'd like LD to post the chat log as soon as possible so everyone can see what I mean.

[JurseyRider734]

The only thing that keeps running through my mind is "HansSky" because I remember when he was a wolf in Infiltration he always marveled at how brilliant blah was...and pretty much held him in very high regard. He knew that he was a great player and would be able to be a huge asset to the team. I haven't really seen anything suspicious, but that's the only thing that runs through my mind.

@eb - Remember, the clues probably won't all be in the way the body was. Remember ap has studied that neuropsychoanalysis stuff or whatever it is...there's probably hidden clues in the way he worded things. I'd say go to eyespew if there was any real message, because when I talked to him it seemed like there were SOME things he knew about it.

[mead1]

I'd like LD to post the chat log as soon as possible so everyone can see what I mean.

Second'D. That thing with eyespew should probably be checked out.

[Neonatrias]

Alright...The chat is dead and nothing's happening here. Blah is dead. Therefore, I'd say that we've got some pretty deadly wolves facing us. I'm pretty sure the guardian will do his job right and keep watch over the more powerful players.

But as of right now, we're faced with a problem. NO leads and NO conversation. AGAIN. Come on, someone has to have something that'll spark some chatter.

[lightdarkness]

http://www.lightdarkness42.com/TWGXII.txt <- that will be the chat log, will be updated as frequently as I can

[HansSky]

Yes, Eva. I think blah is an excellent TWG player, and incredibly smart. I'm in line with everybody else.

But yes, blah was a good kill. But I am surprised he wasn't guarded. The guardian should know that the wolves won't touch Tass, and really, what is the next best thing?

I really have nothing else to say, because I haven't been home lately, and tonight is my first night of rest. So if anything else comes up, I'll be able to comment on it from now on. Oh, and I should be talking in chat more often, also.

[Kilgamayan]

A bunch of people seem to be forgetting that alain is in this game too. I'm willing to bet that he's the person the guardian picked.

[alainbryden]

I think Afrobean's on the ball with this one. Hans, I think the guardian went a little deeper than what you said. Past games have shown that the top few players were not wolfed in an attempt to be safe, incase the guardian was flipping coins. The wolves played smart and probably expected the guardian to be thinking a step above, so took a step back and hit us where we've been assuming we were safe the past few games.

The roles still aren't entirely clear yet, but I think the two people that ComSec was talking about could be some sort of masonry, allthough it would seem unfair to only give the humans one other truely special role.

nforcer, I wouldn't put it past eyespew to try to confuse people by asking about second pm's, to see if he could catch one of the special roles / wolves. He talked to me about it first, so it wasn't accidental.

LD, maybe set some markers in the chat log, ever couple hours or each day or something?

[alainbryden]

Neonatrias, I can't figure out if your post is supposed to be a joke or something.

Also you suggested pretty haughtily that the guardian watch over the most powerful players. Regardless of who the guardian watches over, the last thing anyone should do is make a public statement leading the wolves to any conclusion of who or even what kind of person that may be. You can theorise who the guardian protected, but not who they will be guarding. That's helping out the wolves all too much.

Finally, the last thing you said in your post, and it annoyed me somewhat. We've all grown weary of some inexperienced player or another trying to demonstrate some sort of superiority by noting that there's not enough discussion or not enough information to go on. You work through it by speaking of noteable issues or hypotheses, not by briefly stating the obvious irrelevant.

No harm meant, to be sure.

[evilbutterfly]

I wouldn't put it past eyespew to try to confuse people by asking about second pm's, to see if he could catch one of the special roles / wolves. He talked to me about it first, so it wasn't accidental.

That was me. Well, unless we both mentioned it. And I did it before eyespew did it, so he was just copying me :P.

And you know what I noticed? LD always makes a random vote at the start of the game. Oh wait, he didn't do that this time! You know what other game he didn't do that? That's right, TWG XI. You know what he was in that game? A wolf.

[alainbryden]

You are right eb, it was you. And I like your style. Real controversial.

[Tps222]

Actually, he was a wolf in TWG 8?, and randomed, and was a wolf.

O.k, Blah, a vet, no leads off of that. No sense of guessing who guardined who, endless loops.

Not much to go off of, so, i'm voting Alain because he is the only one I see going after Blah. He is playing too much like himself.

[Afrobean]

And I like your style. Real controversial.
I tried something controversial last game and it just got me lynched faster. I love how easily the masses are manipulated.

Actually, he was a wolf in TWG 8?, and randomed, and was a wolf.
It wasn't really random. He lied and said it was random. Unless my memory fails me, LD voted Kefit, a fellow wolf. He said it was random and he did this to make it seem like he's not connected to Kefit. Actually, all the wolves that game tried that tactic and it blew up in there faces.

He is playing too much like himself.
That was quite humorous. In fact, I almost laughed out loud.

[alainbryden]

I was actually discussing with blah how I would think he was the last person to get wolfed, since he is such a good player and high risk of getting guarded. But I understand where yor're coming from. That logic has been used for too many games, it was bound to come back and slap us sooner or later. There's definately one very high level thinking on the wolf team.

[lightdarkness]

I wouldn't put it past eyespew to try to confuse people by asking about second pm's, to see if he could catch one of the special roles / wolves. He talked to me about it first, so it wasn't accidental.

That was me. Well, unless we both mentioned it. And I did it before eyespew did it, so he was just copying me :P.

And you know what I noticed? LD always makes a random vote at the start of the game. Oh wait, he didn't do that this time! You know what other game he didn't do that? That's right, TWG XI. You know what he was in that game? A wolf.

Jay: lightdarkness42 rolled 1 16-sided die: 11

TPS

You'll understand why I've been too busy to vote in a few days :-P Honestly, there hasn't been anything to really vote on, and don't take my behavoir in the last game as an indication of being a wolf. That game I played as if I were human, because I also had to worry about wolves :-P

[mead1]

I think eb's vote for LD was faulty at best. That and I have nothing else to vote on.

[Afrobean]

I think mead1's vote for eb was faulty at best. There is no reason to vote so soon, and voting on weak reasoning just makes it worse.

Not that I'm approving of eb's vote on LD. That was also unneeded. LD's vote on Tps was unneeded, too.

Either way, I don't think eb would vote so haphazardly if he were a wolf. Wolves generally try to stay under the radar in the beginning.

[Tps222]

No, Afro, they don't, they like to briefly surface, be pretty active in the chats, establish themselves as active, and then just be there.

[Afrobean]

No, Afro, they don't, they like to briefly surface, be pretty active in the chats, establish themselves as active, and then just be there.
That would be staying under the radar.

Duh.

[ImEric12]

Unfortunately, I dunno what time I'll be here tomorrow. I don't have much speculation yet, so my random vote goes to TPS. This will hopefully be revised if I get back from Robotics in time tomorrow.

[Afrobean]

Eric, it doesn't matter if you'll maybe be unnavailable; You do not under any circumstances put a random vote on someone who has a vote already. It's bad enough that you're random voting at all, you don't need to compound it by putting a second vote on someone.

[nforcer06164]

Alright, guys, I think I have some evidence here, now that the chat log is up. As I was describing earlier...

eyespewgreekfire (7:34:42 PM): haha

That was eyespew's last entry before he stopped making responses, and at that point, I'm guessing he went AFK.

NEIGH006 (7:53:28 PM): sorry man :/
NEIGH006 (7:54:12 PM): jokes
NEIGH006 (7:54:22 PM): k jurs, my turn, I pick truth
NEIGH006 (8:00:13 PM): Who are you killing night one eyespew?
Xtrialan Derrorx (8:04:04 PM): What.
(8:05:59 PM) Xtrialan Derrorx has left the room.
NEIGH006 (8:06:44 PM): fine then. Suck
NEIGH006 (8:06:58 PM): byes in 5
NEIGH006 (8:06:59 PM): 4
NEIGH006 (8:07:01 PM): 3
NEIGH006 (8:07:03 PM): o_O
(8:07:05 PM) NEIGH006 has left the room.

Even though eyespew hadn't made a response since then, I'm sure he read what happened in the chat when he came back. Although what Alain had said may have been an innocent joke, as eb ALWAYS asks "are you a wolf" when people first enter the chat, he may have wanted to "assure" his humanity somehow. Well, how could he do that? He said...

eyespewgreekfire (9:06:55 PM): quick question people
eyespewgreekfire (9:07:03 PM): i hear a bunch of people got 2 PMs
eyespewgreekfire (9:07:09 PM): am i the only one that hasnt?
Afrobean16 (9:07:15 PM): I'd imagine about half the people got 2
evilbutterfly87 (9:08:09 PM): how many are playing?
eyespewgreekfire (9:08:15 PM): everyone else only got the default one?
Afrobean16 (9:08:18 PM): isn't it 16?
eyespewgreekfire (9:08:21 PM): dammit i want some codes lol
evilbutterfly87 (9:08:39 PM): hehe

So, by saying that, he easily can make everyone believe that he hasn't received a second PM, and clueless about it as well. While that could mean he could be a special role, I don't see why eyespew would go to any length to make everyone look like he's an ordinary human if he is a special role, rather than just keeping quiet. Rather, it seems like something a wolf would do, eyespew.

[alainbryden]

To vouch for eyespew, chat really was going extinct when I said that, allthough I won't discount the other claims of his odd behaviour.

[evilbutterfly]

Also, Alain was acting really strange all last night. He said he was a wolf and he was gonna kill me and was all like OLOLOLO YOU'RE A DEAD MAN OLOLO! I don't think he really meant anything by any of it. Of course, Alain is tricky enough to try some reverse psychology and act silly to throw us off.

[Tasselfoot]

OK... things I've noticed so far.... On page 1, Afro and Neon both come out and say how smart it was of the wolves. Others commented on blah being a good kill, but those two commented on the power of the wolves, which has a fairly negative conotation for the humans, implying we're ****ed.

Also, Afro has been arguing with the majority of the other people who have been active... eb, mead, alain, tps. Not so much arguing, but bickering/bouncing back and forth with.

We have a little string of "random" voting and counter-voting... I suggest we all back off from this, as was already stated. Lynching someone early, especially on day 1, is DEADLY for the humans. Also, perhaps one of the votes onto TPS wasn't random? I'm not sure what to make of all these votes, except that none of them have any substance behind them at all. Could be stupidity, could be wolfish, could be improper fear of an inactivity phantom or two..... regardless, knock it off.

Those are my initial thoughts after just reading the thread once. My views may be slightly skewed, and a 2nd or 3rd reading of the thread should fix that, but that is what I see as of right now.

On other news, the oddness of the hidden blue roles is.... different. But, as I am once again an outsider looking in, I'll request my usual desire to be seered and form and alliance. Even moreso now that we don't know what all the roles are, even one blue doesn't know what all the blue roles are, we need someone to be the central backbone of an alliance, work together to get those people together. And, yes, only a seer (if there is one) will be able to see me as a 100% human.... nothing more I can do than offer my aid to help the team. If you want to work with me, excellent. If not, we'll have a harder time winning. And, if I hear nothing from others, I hope the blues at least contact SOMEONE to help work with and build an alliance.

[Tasselfoot]

Just re-read the thread... and nForcer's post at the bottom of page 2 really screams at me. Anyone else find something wrong with it? I mean, look what happened when I thought the info on roopert made him a wolf. No, he was the other seer. nForcer knows this, even says he knows this, yet disregards it and votes for eyespew anyway. Lets also not forget the most obvious conclusion of eyespew's comments in the chat.... that he is telling the truth! That he is confused.

I'd like to hear what nForcer has to say, and also would like to know if anyone else sees what I'm seeing... its the best I have so far for a potential vote.

[alainbryden]

Remember seer that coming forward to Tass helps Tass win. Whether he is a human or not. We still do not know if there is a master wolf role in this game which changes things. Also, if there is a seer in this game, which it's entirely possible there isn't, odds would be that he saw one of Tass, Me, or Blah. If It was Blah then that's a loss, if it was one of Tass or I then I haven't heard, and Tass clearly hasn't either. It is also possible that Tass was seen as a wolf and it is being kept quiet until some trustees can be told. If anyone else was seen then the seer isn't as experienced as I assumed. If there isn't even a seer, then forget everything I just said.

On a side note, it's good to see Tass hasn't changed his strategy.

[Tasselfoot]

Seriously... drink less red bull.... get more sleep. While that post was quite accurate.... it rambled alot. Its late buddy. Get some rest.

Plus, for all the reasons everyone has said in the plethora of past games I've been in.... why on earth would I change my strategy, green, blue, or red?

On that same side note, Tass helping Tass win is the general theme I live by. It just so happens that when I win, my team does too. But, I am always willing to sacrifice myself for the team, IF it gets the team a win. Generally speaking, it hasn't. But, that is why I always offer myself as the alliance figurehead... I'm willing to risk myself for the team.

And, now I think I'm rambling. G'night sweet TWGlings.

[Tps222]

Nforcer, that would just be to obvious. There is no way that he would try and act that clueless to throw people off, it would just bring suspiscion on him. I've decided to switch my vote off Alain, though he fits the description of my idea, I guess a few people could; thus, I do not wan't to get rid of a power player this early in the game. My vote is going to Mead1 because he "random" voted the same person. I really don't want to vote him, but I don't think you can vote yourself. So no worries Mead, I'm going to change my vote as soon as more evidence comes up.

[nforcer06164]

Alright Tass, here's the thing about eyespew...

Most here may or may not have realized that I normally, at the beginning of the game, post anything that I find odd, suspicious, and the like. This time, I saw something that struck me as odd; specifically, eyespew's comment in the chats. Remember, we had been discussing long before he made that comment that most of us had NOT received a second PM. Why then, after we had established that, would he say what he did? I found it strange, and that's about it. I know that did something for me, but I didn't expect anyone else to find it odd. I very well realized that he may be a blue, but there was another reason I voted for him that I did not mention...

Also, I did not want to say this, but I also want to see eyespew come in and at least say something. I still am a little suspicious of him as before, but he was active before the game started. Now, he is nowhere to be found. If he shows up and something else catches my attention, I may change my vote. For now, however, it stands.

On a side note: Everybody, remember how Alain acted in TWGVIII. He was human, and he was a little frantic in the beginning. It's not a reason to suspect Alain as of yet.

[Tps222]

That was not why I suspected him, he is always active.

Anyways, I haven't talked to eyespew either, but I know I was confused about the whole pm scenario untill AP explained it to me pre pm sending.

[Kilgamayan]

My vote is going to Mead1 because he "random" voted the same person.

What do you mean by "the same person"? No one else had voted for eb before mead's post.

[Tps222]

Yea, my bad, I meant Eric. Oops, sorry mead.*feels like an idiot*

[HansSky]

Maybe eyespew was starting the game with a little more strategy than most. He could have just been trying to lure out the special roles, may it be blue or red, to say: "Yeah, I got two PMs, didn't you?" What I don't think is that he was completely clueless about it, rather that he knew what he was doing. This doesn't necessarily make him a special role, but maybe just a human trying to pinpoint a special role.

[eyespewgreekfire]

Nforcer, your vote for me is on the rather sophmoric side. EB pulled the 2 pm trick before I did, as did alain. I apologise as well for my last words in the chat to be haha.
Only thing I have to go on (I hate day 1) this point is that eric's "random" vote happened to be for someone with a vote already, to perhaps get that person lynched.

[HansSky]

I agree with eyespew. I hate to bandwagon and be vague, but I'm leaving soon, and I won't be back until lynching season is over.

Eric

Blue, over and out.

o wai

[evilbutterfly]

There is no way that he would try and act that clueless to throw people off

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Even nforcer tried that (last game, I think) and we all bought it because he's kinda new. Anybody could try it this game since "It's different I don't understand!!" I asked if people got their 2nd PM and several were confused, so although I didn't lure out any blues and red, I did get a few people who probably are green.

And yeah, I wake up at 5:30 to see only this much is posted? If talking is this slow now, that's not a good sign. The chat is empty too, so that's no excuse. More needs to be said so we can get wolfies (or agents or infiltrators, whatever).

[nforcer06164]

Thanks for showing up, eyespew. I just happened to be in the chats when you made your statement, so it seemed off-color when you were the only one I saw pull that trick. You've recieved to support of more than two people, so I can't say I'm as suspicous as I was before. However, I need to read the thread and maybe even the chat logs over before I find something that causes me to change my vote. Don't take it personally if I don't change it, you won't be lynched anyway =P

[Tasselfoot]

I think this round is ending WAY TOO EARLY.... we've only been given about 24 hours on day 1 to figure things out. But, if aperson decides to keep the deadline at tonight, i'll have to put in a vote now, as I'm leaving and will be out all night.

but there was another reason I voted for him that I did not mention...
That one line really hit a nerve for me... I mean, odds are you aren't going to be voted off tonight, and I'd really like to know what this "reason" is, but it seems like something a wolf COULD say to try and justify an otherwise shaky vote. So, combine that with your already weak vote on eyespew, my vote goes to nForcer.

I'll be back late tonight boys. If there happens to be something crucial that happens later tonight and y'all feel I need to know about it, call my cell. Number is in my away message. I'll be at Madison Square Garden, so I'd rather not be disturbed if possible. Later boys. Happy hunting.

[Tasselfoot]

Just saw nForcer's post... still doesn't change my feelings. Later.

[JurseyRider734]

Wow...I really don't understand on how there could be such bandwagoning on to Eric. Okay...so he had to go out. And yes he placed a "random" vote on someone who had already been voted. Maybe he didn't know. He most likely used a random name generator and it came as TPS and didn't care if he was voted before or not, but there's always two sides to things and just because he did something stupid doesn't mean it's automatically wolfish.

I really don't have too much to go on, considering I always have to get off early (no laptop) and I had riding this afternoon so I wasn't able to be in the AIM chat...so i'm still going to hold off on voting until I see something worthy enough.

[Afrobean]

I agree that nforcer seems a little off. I'm not so sure that he's worthy of a lynch right now.

Same goes for eric. His random on someone with a vote already is quite strange, but I don't think a wolf would be so stupid as to do that. He probably just didn't notice.

Actually, my eyes shift toward Tps. My reasoning is that he seemed to be pushing for alain pretty strongly in the chat last night (LD's log doesn't seem to have that part in there, but I'm pretty sure it was in the time between 10 and 11 last night). He didn't even have any real evidence, but he kept pressuring anyway. And with such lacking reasoning, I don't see why Tps would pressure to take out a power player who may in fact be human.

[flypie743]

Just a few things to say:

1. Yeah, Eric random voted for someone who already had one vote. Maybe he didn't see it. However, he could have done it intentionally, but I don't think he would have been that dumb to bandwagon on someone like that on the first day. Meh, in TWG II I was seer. I bandwagon’d onto Tass the first day and then people all started voting for me. I was almost lynched, but then saved myself by forming an alliance with Tass. I don’t think we should make the same mistake with Eric and all bandwagon onto him.

2. I really don’t see why eb voted for LD. Last game eb yelled at LD for random voting, so LD didn’t. Now, eb is yelling at LD for not random voting. Eh?

3. We still have until 10 tonight (EST), so I am going to hold off on my vote until later.

[Tps222]

I've decided to switch my vote off Alain, though he fits the description of my idea, I guess a few people could; thus, I do not wan't to get rid of a power player this early in the game.

I stopped with Alain. I don't want to get rid of an active person, and a good one, though he fits what I am thinking, so could a few other people, so I switched off him.

I'm a little suspicious of Afro, your being more active and critical then normal, but I will wait it out.

I have re-considered my vote against MEAD1, and decided to take my vote off. Chances are he was in a hurry, as he post said, and didn't see LD's post. Though there is some theories going around, there really isn't enough time, so until I see something that convinces me, i voting Strecthy Panda. She has no posts. Going back to my old plan. With the shortened day and all, I don't want to get rid of an active helpful person. At least, if a wolf is active, then they have a chance to slip-up. If we keep innactive people, they are nor helping us, and could be a wolf. [/i]

[nforcer06164]

but there was another reason I voted for him that I did not mention...
That one line really hit a nerve for me... I mean, odds are you aren't going to be voted off tonight, and I'd really like to know what this "reason" is, but it seems like something a wolf COULD say to try and justify an otherwise shaky vote.

Did you not see my next paragraph?

I very well realized that he may be a blue, but there was another reason I voted for him that I did not mention...

Also, I did not want to say this, but I also want to see eyespew come in and at least say something.

My reason that I did not mention was, in fact, the fact that I wanted to see him talk. Yes, I know I worded it strangely, and I should've kept it in the same paragraph. I was posting in the school computer lab and the bell rang as soon as I posted. I didn't have time to review my post, so I didn't see how iffy that seemed. Sorry about that.

[Tps222]

Err, forgot strechy wasnt' playing. Neonatrias. Vote is subject to change by the end of the night, dont get on my case about it.

[eyespewgreekfire]

Care to give some evidence for your vote tps? You see, we like reasons and ideas around here, not irrationality.

[nforcer06164]

I have re-considered my vote against MEAD1, and decided to take my vote off. Chances are he was in a hurry, as he post said, and didn't see LD's post. Though there is some theories going around, there really isn't enough time...

Earlier...

My vote is going to Mead1 because he "random" voted the same person.

What do you mean by "the same person"? No one else had voted for eb before mead's post.

Yea, my bad, I meant Eric. Oops, sorry mead.*feels like an idiot*

I defended you big time in the chats last night which you have seen yet because I thought you just said a few things you may not have meant to say. But now, you're being horribly inconsistent, and it has gone just too far for me at this point. TPS, you have some explaining to do.

[Tps222]

For what. Read up 2 posts, I was fixing it, since I can't edit.

[eyespewgreekfire]

Tps you gotta cut this out. First youre all big on getting alain, and you realize that wont work. Now you make another vote for no real reason. Are your reasons for stretchy and neon the same? If so, please say that so as not to seem ambigous. Please give evidence for all your votes. Also, please do not push against someone when you have so little evidence. The way I see it, you just want alain lynched because he is a good player.

[nforcer06164]

You voted mead. You supposedly changed your vote to eric because you made a mistake in voting mead. Now, in the few posts above, you acted as though you hadn't changed your vote at all. That makes absolutely no sense. Did you conveniently forget that you were bandwagoning eric, or what?

[Afrobean]

I'm not sure if the deadline is tonight or not. I might be leaving soon, so I've decided to put out a vote. I'm voting for Tps. My reasoning is his behavior in the chat last night.

Another thing I think is funny: After we all kept saying that going after alain was stupid, he pulled his vote off. That's what a wolf would do if they saw that a plan wasn't going through as planned. I know, because I did something similar when I was a wolf. Some of you may recall that I was 100% against Tass, and when I saw that the "kill tass" plan wasn't working, I accused Tass and LD of being masons, even though I knew for sure who the masons were.

[Kilgamayan]

Tps, you've been doing some REALLY weird **** so far. Someone of your caliber should not mistake someone for someone else twice in a round and then proceed to vote for someone not playing.

[JurseyRider734]

I've seen all I need to see, Tps.

First, you keep pushing for us to see alain as suspicous. Then, after I argue with you and Afro backs me up you all of a sudden decide to switch off of him because you probably realized there was no hope in pushing for alain. Then you vote for stretchypanda, who isn't even playing. Do you not read? Now you're going for Neo who isn't being suspicious whatsoever, although they've posted 3 times or less with no evidence explaining why? Here's why I'm voting you and why I think you're suspicious

a. You push for someone who isn't acting suspicious, then realize no one is going to go along with you and decide to randomly change to someone who, if they were playing at all, which they weren't, were inactive. You said "because they have no posts" and thats why you "voted for someone"
b. Then you "forget" this person was playing and you change to Neo for no reason and no explaination? What do you think we are, stupid? This reminds me of the time I last played and you were acting like a complete idiot and pushing and bandwagoning for someone else (me, who was a human)

If you can back yourself up, please do so. We're all interested in hearing it.

[ComSec]

i voting Strecthy Panda. She has no posts.[/i]

That's probably because she's not playing. She couldn't play and I switched eyespew in for her. Reading the player list would probably help...

[Tps222]

Mead for Eric. My fault. I really thought Stretchy signed up. In the signups it she said WORD. EB. So I thought that meant she was in. I guess not. I do need to pay a little closer to details, but my life has been very busy, i'm sorry. So vote me if you want, I'm causing way too much confusion for the team, and straying everyone awat from the wolves,

[Tps222]

O.K, to answer Jurs

I didn't vote Neo randomly. He was next on my list of innactive people. Thus going along with my strategy.

I voted Alain. I had a gut feeling for him. You all mocked me. I reconsidered it, and decided that since i'm not 100% sure that he is a wolf, and since he is a power player, I changed my vote. Not because no one was going along with me. I then wanted to go with my old strategy of innactive voting for ONLY the 1st night, just to wait for the next day. Once again, no one seems to like that idea. Give it a shot, evertime I try it I get lynched. Give my idea a chance.

I once again apologize for voting stretchy, I was going off the signups list, and not the game list. Bad mistake on me, and I accept all ridicule.

[Neonatrias]

TPS, I'm sorry I haven't been active. I was downstate checking out the University of Illinois in Champaign. I was gone all day.

The thing is, TPS, you're flipping your vote around way too much. You're trying to appease everyone from what I can see, and you're apologizing to everything everyone throws at you.

[eyespewgreekfire]

guys, this bandwagoning is obscene. I'm about to pull off of tps since hes so close to an insta (2 more I think). The last thing we need is everyone to pile on now. Don't vote tps except if you have a new reason to do so.

[Tps222]

Appologize, wtf, Im trying to defend myself. What am I supposed to do? Lets kill TPS. Ok guys, just don't make it too painfull. I'm explaining my case, and answering people. Jurs asked me to respond, so I did. How I am supposed to know where you are, I vote on what I know, and you were one of the innactive ones. I guess no one read the bottom of my post, where it says that my vote is likey to change.

Thus, since neo posted, he is no longer inactive, so my vote goes to Kilga He is doing something a wolf would do. He is posting enough to be active, but just enough to stay under the radar, nothing suspicious. He is just stating the obvious, and is not contributing.

[alainbryden]

I find myself on TPS with this one. You have all allowed yourselves to be influenced by others' votes on TPS, and I don't think any of you have taken a good look at any of TPS' posts before following the others. Such a swarm of votes on one person is so often a product of wolves jumping over what seems will be a free lynching for the day.

I know it doesnt' help that TPS is making mistake after mistake. He goes to explain that he's changing his vote off of mead, and forgets that he had allready changed it to eric before. I followed but I understand why you all got confused. I should certainly hope that just because you don't understand what someone is talking about, you don't start accusing them of being wolfes. Especially when it's such an easy way to put away your vote on day one.

But I can't just come here and tell you not to vote TPS, I need to have you switch to someone. Unfortunately, the amount of evidence is slack, as evidence by all your gropings. I, however, came to the same suspicion as TPS. Kilga, absolutely notorius for keeping under the wire, never quite appears to be doing so because when he does post, he is resonnantly opinionated. Most of what I have to work off of are impressions and Kilga has made one for me, so I'll go with it today.

[Narrator]

The sun has fallen down over the sky. Thread locked.

[flypie743]

I vote eb for his vote on LD which seemed strange to me.

[Narrator]

Fifteen people were strewn across chairs with three agents in ComSec standing still like paper.

"I know you all have a lot more to say, but damnit men, we can't stall any longer. Give me your decisions, now."

They went around in circles, each speaking a name that was like a thread of rope tying itself around TPS222's neck. Fifteen people had spoken, everyone was frozen still. A single tear ran down the corner of one of TPS's eyes.

"Please, just make it painless."

One man followed TPS outside. The sound of a firecracker muffled by walls of antagonizing concrete sunk deep into the souls of everyone left in Velyssis.

"All we can do now is pray…"


A ComSec report will follow soon.

[ComSec]

<img src=http://zastari.acunett.com/TWGXII/day1fin.png>

Aside: Please send PMs for night2 to Narrator.

[Narrator]

The sky was the deepest onyx shade of black. Outside, the wind slowly rattled the trees while a few owls lit up the sky with their voice. The night was interrupted by the sound of footsteps slowly coming through Flypie's house.

Flypie's eyes darted open, her hand clutched a trigger ever so tightly. She had the gun steadly aimed at the door as it quietly creaked. Then there was the sound of glass shattering. Her window laced the floor with deep triangular shards for those last few seconds while a brilliant pain overcame her head.

A small thin line of blood trickled down between her eyes and ran off the side of her neck. The sun slowly rose up and casted a brilliant display of color through her shattered window.

Thirteen men fell out of their beds, drifted into their cars, and wandered to Velyssis. They stood at the entrance trying to look for familiar faces that felt more and more distant.

"It's Flypie, Flypie isn't here."

"Well damn, it's a sausage party now."

"That's uncalled for man… besides Jursey is still around"

And thirteen men were at one another's throats, trying to find the traitors that were stealing their lives.

[ComSec]

<img src=http://zastari.acunett.com/TWGXII/reportday2.png>

We will meet at 2200CST (11PM EST) on Sunday night to select a person to remove.

[alainbryden]

THought you may all want to see this.

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/1488/day1sum2ey.jpg

[Tasselfoot]

Its not a sausage party.... Jursey is still around.

[Kilgamayan]

Can we get a voting time frame? There doesn't appear to be one in the documentation.

alain, that's pretty bad of you and Tps to vote for me for doing what I do every single game. Can you name the last game where I posted more than "just enough to be active" and didn't state the obvious in most/all of my votes?

[Narrator]

Can we get a voting time frame? There doesn't appear to be one in the documentation.

Goddamnit why do I always forget to do that, yes, I'm adding it now.

[alainbryden]

TPS pretty much voted for you because you were the latest person to bandwagon onto you. I voted you for what you do every game. I hate what you do every game. You keep quiet, say hardly anything, and make your votes. You come off as wolfish whether you are a human or not. It's hard not to put a vote on you when there's no one better.

[Tasselfoot]

What about Eric? His only post the entire day was that retarded vote onto TPS, that if you think about it, led to TPS' getting voted off. Or at least played a BIG role in his getting booted.

Had I been around yesterday, I would have voiced my opinions on NOT voting TPS. Every game he does something like this, or some such nonsense and gets himself lynched. Some of the players in this game just aren't good at not being suspicious.... So, I'm rather upset at everyone for jumping on TPS like they did. I'm willing to bet he was human.

nForcer is still on my list, Eric is now in my thoughts, and just to point out... eb only has 4 posts. Most games he's off the way with 3x as many posts as anyone else, wolf or human. Not sure what to make of it.

Lastly, why Flypie? I read what she had said in the chat, and it didn't really seem that important. She voted for eb at the last second... can we make anything of that? I'm not sure. She seems like the last person the wolves would kill. Perhaps that is reason enough.

[mead1]

Well, the sun has risen, and so have I. The question of the hour, as Tass said, is "Why Flypie?" I don't think we are going to get a lot of information out of this kill, so we must look on towards the future. I am still a bit suspicious of eb, because of his vote for LD. It also makes him a little more suspicious in my mind that the kill was the latest one to turn against him. This may just be a ploy by the wolves to frame eb, but I don't think so. Good luck to all, I probably won't be able to post till tomorrow.

On an unrelated note: My Avatar is the Winner.

[JurseyRider734]

Hmmmm....Flypie. That was an interesting kill...it seems like the wolves are trying their hardest to stump us and doing a pretty good job. No one's talking in the chat, and not much has been going on around here so I have NOTHING to go on and I have no idea of who to be suspicious of. I'm going out in a bit and I won't be back until later tonight, so i'll probably miss a lot.

[evilbutterfly]

eb only has 4 posts. Most games he's off the way with 3x as many posts as anyone else, wolf or human. Not sure what to make of it.


In case nobody has noticed, my post rate has dwindled in the past few games (especially since Inf) because, honestly, I'm not caring about the game as much. When I try to stimulate conversation I realize that nothing happens and I kept dying every game so now I've decided to try new stuff and see how it works out. Allying with a wolf last game (by accident) and pulling that fake guardian is one example of new stuff I've tried to pull to win the game. I've been pretty unsuccessful so far, but I don't know.

Also, I'm not sure whether the flypie killing makes LD look more or less suspicious. Part of me thinks that he'd keep her alive because they're friends and he could get in on any possible alliances. Another part of me thinks he would wolf her because they're friends (and he talks to her bro) and him being a wolf might slip out. Also, there's the chance that whoever killed her is trying to frame me, but let's face it, what wolf would act that obviously?

And I really gotta agree with what's said so far. I said earlier in the day that I would reconsider my vote for LD (which totally slipped my mind, as I was downstairs eating and talking to parents and watching TV until like...9:55, when I realized I needed to hurry, but I was a bit too late, as the chat log should show) but when I came to do so I saw that voting for anybody BUT TPS was the best thing to do. That game when we were wolves together and he died, I thought of it as quite injust. Even as a wolf and knowing that, nothing he said seemed wolfish to me, just stupid. I don't think he deserved to die, but in his last moments alive in the chat he said he wasn't blue, so I guess it's not the biggest loss. =\

Anywho, I feel like I'm not adding not much, so I'll just say this: somebody who voted for TPS was a wolf. I have some ideas on how to narrow that list down, so I'm gonna go do that now. When I narrow the list (or if I'm not able to) I'll post my findings.

[ImEric12]

Tass: that was a RANDOM vote. I've been gone for the past 3 days at robotics competition, I have pictures to prove it, as well as QreepyBORIS, who was there today. [side note: Qreepy is awesome at funny voices.] I scrolled down the page quickly, and didn't see the vote for TPS. I suppose that no matter what I do, I'll look extremely suspicious, as that tends to be a pattern in me, so think what you must.

[Tasselfoot]

Yo. Damn boys (and Jursey).... this is retarded. We have less than 1 page of posts in about 8 hours of a SATURDAY.

I'm very upset at all of you. We need more conversation. Once again, I'll be out for primetime, but I'll be back by 11 to chat it up TWG style. We need this win, and being vocal is the only way to do it.

Also, eb... I'm curious to know your findings, so long as Chardish/Guido/Blah approve of the methodology... check with them.

[Tasselfoot]

OK Eric. I mean, that is a farily weak line of reasoning.... but, it explains the absence, if nothing else.

[lightdarkness]

Just wanted to chime in here.

I haven't been able to pay attention to the chat, and have yet to have any conversations with anyone. Flypie's killing is a bit strange, espcially this early in the game. There are 3 things I can think of. 1. Trying to frame me, 2. She told someone she was a special role, 3. Random.

There's my two cents.

[Neonatrias]

I have to wonder...Would the wolves really try to frame LD? That'd be a really bold move. Especially this early on in the game. I think it's more likely that the wolves got some information about her somehow...

[HansSky]

I suppose that no matter what I do, I'll look extremely suspicious, as that tends to be a pattern in me, so think what you must.

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I was out the first night last game...but...

You were never lynched last game, which is what I can remember recently of you(not the previous games you played in the beginning lifeline of TWG). Also, I don't believe you recieved many votes, if any. So, what do you mean you'll look suspicious no matter what you do? Are you pulling **** out of your ass just to defend yourself?

If you're making stuff like this up...there is really only one reason why you'd be lying..

[Neonatrias]

...Alright, let's try to generate some conversation considering this game is going nowhere.

I didn't like eyespew's weird activity that was pointed out by nforcer. It was out of the blue just enough to cast some suspicion on him from me. However, that's still not to say that I'm positive of anything.

However, to base a vote off one incident like nforcer did seems a little irrational to me. Granted, it was a first day vote, and there wasn't much to go on, but I still think he could have waited to see if anything new came up. It seemed like a kind of hasty decision to me.

Lastly, eb, best of luck with whatever you have planned. Hopefully it'll give us some sort of insight. Or at the very least, something to discuss.

[ImEric12]

Last game I was very minimal to avoid suspicion. Also, I had aperson to cover for me. I'm referring to the earlier games.

[evilbutterfly]

K, so I was trying to pull in some info and whatnot from the 2 PM thing, when Tass said "using PM info to determine who is human and who is not is cheating." So, I scrapped the whole thing. Now, it's not really discussing what's in the PMs, and I was under the impression that "social engineering" was allowed (after all, AP said it would be in his campaign speech). So I don't know if using the "confused" people asking about why they didn't get 2 PMs is cheating or not. I was going through the chat log and taking note of who said what about PMs, and was gonna try to use that to narrow things down (even though somebody could easily be lying) a bit. However, since this is cheating (as Tass said that TWC said social engineering was NOT allowed, despite what AP said), I'm not gonna bother with it.

If, however, the TWC decides that doing this is okay, then please tell me and I'll go back to it. Until then, I'm back to having absolutely nothing, except that somebody who voted for TPS is definitely a wolf. But that doesn't narrow things down much at all... =\

[alainbryden]

I feel awful for Aperson, because this game appears so dead.

I'm not sure about most of you but I've been talking to several people about the game the past 24 hours and I know that the game is on peoples' minds. More than that, I know that they all have suspicions about who is a wolf. Some even have suspicions of who all three wolves are. So why then, is no one posting. There seems to be some sort of fear of coming out with any ideas. I'm seeing this in everyone, even Tass, who is posting, but baisically just posting to say you all need to speak up. No one is sharing their ideas and I think that hurts. What that leads to is two things. Bandwagonning. Hardcore. There's nothing easier than hiding behind someone elses vote when you're afraid yours might get you the attention you don't want, or you're just not certain about it. Secondly, it leads to the wolves easy manipulation of our thoughts and votes.

I refuse to believe that everyone just does care about this game. And as much as you all may think otherwise, this game cannot be won only by remote chat conversations. Perhaps you fear that a vote you make will cause people to think you are a wolf. Perhaps you fear that you will be on to something and the wolves will come after you. I've definately been experiencing the latter. Especially thrown off by the way the wolves pulled out the balls to attack one of the top players- very likely to be guarded.

Well now I'm going to go all out. Really give you something to talk about. I believe that the following three could very well describe our current wolf team. Here are my thoughts.


I'll be completely straightforward.
Jursey, neonatrias, lightdarness.
Jursey has never been a wolf before. Therefore great change in behaviour would be a good indication that something has changed. It would appear to me that she is making of an attempt to be much more objective in her thoughts, but at the same time, isn't trying to start anything against anyone. There's a subtle change there in the way she usually takes on the game. In addition to this, she maintains a persistance avoidance of the topic in other conversations. She's not as direct about her avoidance either, like she usually is. This is general evidence. The specific evidence is her recent post. That was an interesting kill...it seems like the wolves are trying their hardest to stump us and doing a pretty good job.Not only was this post an approach she's never taken but there is something very off about the way she brought up the wolves in that sentance and I know I'm not the only one that finds it lacking in human consideration. Baisically stating that the wolves have us fooled and that's that.
Neonatrias, he must be in my books to pull something like "I think it's more likely that the wolves got some information about her somehow..." out of nowhere. This makes me think that he slipped up, knowing something that we didn't. And LD? He is the only player I can think of that has the balls and lacks the immediate reasoning to attempt an attack on the second best player after tass on night one. He was also was very explicit in saying that "I was likely set up by the flypie killing" to make it easily look like he wouldn't kill because it would be too obvious. It wouldn't be the first time wolves took a step back for double reverse psychology this game. Also, he preceded neonatiras' strange words with a very similar idea, but ambiguous enough that no one could really catch on to the idea, unlike neonatrias.

It is thus that I have so far concluded that these three best fit the profile of the wolves, and and putting my vote today on lightdarkness

[lightdarkness]

And LD? He is the only player I can think of that has the balls and lacks the immediate reasoning to attempt an attack on the second best player after tass on night one. He was also was very explicit in saying that "I was likely set up by the flypie killing" to make it easily look like he wouldn't kill because it would be too obvious. It wouldn't be the first time wolves took a step back for double reverse psychology this game. Also, he preceded neonatiras' strange words with a very similar idea, but ambiguous enough that no one could really catch on to the idea, unlike neonatrias.

I was just stating my opinion on why she was killed. I really have no idea what to say to your statements, but I would love to talk to you more about why you think i'm a wolf, and more of your suspicions.

I also wanted to comment on day 1's lynching. My vote for TPS was random. Everyone in the chat saw my roll the dice, and then vote for him. In no way was I starting a bandwagon or something.

[nforcer06164]

Neo, I always start my games out looking at stuff that seems suspicious or odd to me. It's the best way I can see to get the game going. Nothing new really comes up if nobody posts, much less votes.

Somehow, I had a weird feeling after Flypie was killed, as if I should understand something about it, but it just stays out of my reach. I don't know how to describe it. Maybe one of the main reasons is the fact that she hadn't really contributed thus far, and I don't see why the wolves would kill her. For some reason, the feeling was pointing to both LD and Jursey. I'm really not sure if a vote for either of them is warranted in this kind of situation, though, so I'm going to hold off until later.

[HansSky]

Jursey has never been a wolf before. Therefore great change in behaviour would be a good indication that something has changed. It would appear to me that she is making of an attempt to be much more objective in her thoughts, but at the same time, isn't trying to start anything against anyone. There's a subtle change there in the way she usually takes on the game. In addition to this, she maintains a persistance avoidance of the topic in other conversations. She's not as direct about her avoidance either, like she usually is. This is general evidence. The specific evidence is her recent post. That was an interesting kill...it seems like the wolves are trying their hardest to stump us and doing a pretty good job.Not only was this post an approach she's never taken but there is something very off about the way she brought up the wolves in that sentance and I know I'm not the only one that finds it lacking in human consideration. Baisically stating that the wolves have us fooled and that's that.


Well, I'd say that's pretty damn close to plagiarism. Not word for word, but you took my wonderful research, and didn't even give me a parenthetical citation? How dare you. :P

Yes, me and alain talked about this last night, and I really have nothing else to add. I planned to post this section of his book, but I guess he beat me to it.

JurseyRider734

[alainbryden]

I'm sorry, Hans is right, I did aquire that particular idea of evidence from him. I did not mention your name because a good deal of the time, players want to avoid apparent association with other players and I wanted to respect that. Also I was weary of the fact that everyone was avoiding posting what they were thinking so I went ahead and put their ideas out there. I also appologise for structure issues as I did alot of cut and pasting from conversations and wrote the post over a long period of distracted time. I also did not have time to review my work.

Also for those of you who have ignored my post and skipped to the bolded word, I would like to stress that my suspicions lie with JurseyRider, neonatrias and lightdarkness all, but my vote stands with the latter.

[Tasselfoot]

Actually Hans, you were very concerned to start a potential bandwagon against Jursey because of her well known abilities to bitch. I'm glad you did take your idea (with some pushing from Alain) and started to work with it. I'm not 100% sure I agree with it, but it is definately looking very promising.

To Alain: My reasoning for pressing for more conversation should be obvious. I don't play this game by analyzing the behavior or differences in people's actions. I know that it is pointless for anyone to analyze my posts for subtle differences, and I like to give others the same benefit of the doubt. Plus, it is not acurate and often leads to the lynching of humans. Instead, I play by simple statistics. Easiest is for the seer to contact me, build an alliance, and work process of elimination. But, as that hasn't happened, and doesn't always happen in other games, I use my trustly excel spreadsheet to see who is helping who, who is putting the hurt out for who, etc. The more people talk and accuse each other, the more data I collect, and the better I can pinpoint who is working with who (potentially). Make sense? I hope so, because I don't think I did the best job I could in explaining it.

I may make a long post on my finding later tonight, but I'll likely hold off until day 3 or 4. More data the better guys. Accuse away. :)

[Afrobean]

I'm not sure about jurs or neon. I'm just not getting a wolf vibe from neon, but jurs easily could be a wolf from what I see.

I agree about LD for the most part for being a little suspicious. When I first read his reasons why flypie was probably killed, I thought to myself, "yea, or you killed her yourself so you could claim that you were being framed." Like alain, I believe that double reverse psychology could easily be being used here.

Also, I said in the chat I'd be back last night. I'm sorry that I didn't. I was skating with my friends, then I ended up spending the night at their house. I wanted to make sure to spend as much time skating as I could, because after tommorow I won't be able to again for a while.

PS Tps, if you're reading this, stop being so damn suspicious. Also, I'm sorry for not getting to finish that convo with you.

[mead1]

I've returned, and with me, I have a sack of opinions.

I haven't been in enough games to notice ever subtle nuances of behavior in a player, but it seems to me his accusing of Jursey doesn't have much merit. Maybe there is just something I am missing, but it appears the only evidence he offers up against her is subtle changes he thinks he notices. Intuition is all well and good, but there is a difference between a hypothesis and a shot in the dark, and this sounds like the latter. Even the quote he provides from Jurs doesn't seem to tell us anything. A great many of us have said something very, very similar.

On the subject of Neo, I see very little basis here either. He doesn't say what he did "out of nowhere", he said it after people had been suggesting reasons to kill flypie. That is the only thing he has on Neo.

Now, I'm gonna pull an Alain and be straight with you all, and throw out three names:

alainbryden
Lightdarkness
evilbutterfly

My reasoning behind this is as follows: each alain and eb have cast a vote for LD, this would make you think they couldn't be connected, but I feel it's part of a deeper stratedgy. eb backed up his vote with little to no evidence, and he knew no one would vote with him, so LD was safe and totally unconnected. Alain gave some good reasoning behind his vote for LD, but he also tried to incriminate 2 others. Assuming a few people did vote for LD because of what he said, a few would likely vote for one of the others, allowing the wolves to cast a stray vote or two and save LD. On LD I have only that which alain stated, and that he makes everything come full circle.

With this, my vote goes for alain.

[eyespewgreekfire]

Ive talked with alain a good deal about things (and I was the one who mentioned the linguistic similarity in jurs ld and neon, implying they killed flypie because they figured out she was a special role) and will also vote ld. Jursey and Neon are both considerably weaker players. If LD dies, and there is a drop in quality of wolfings, I think it will imply that these three are a likely combination.

[alainbryden]

And LD? He is the only player I can think of that has the balls and lacks the immediate reasoning to attempt an attack on the second best player after tass on night one. He was also was very explicit in saying that "I was likely set up by the flypie killing" to make it easily look like he wouldn't kill because it would be too obvious. It wouldn't be the first time wolves took a step back for double reverse psychology this game. Also, he preceded neonatiras' strange words with a very similar idea, but ambiguous enough that no one could really catch on to the idea, unlike neonatrias.

It is thus that I have so far concluded that these three best fit the profile of the wolves, and and putting my vote today on lightdarkness


This shows you why I could not be wolf partners with LD. Use your head. And stop trying to type with flare. It's annoying. You aren't a storyteller.

[mead1]

Perhaps you ought to clarify why that certain quote exempts you from being a wolf. I offered an entirely reasonable explanation as to all of my suspicions, you have given a quote of yourself with no explanation to refute it. I have seen you in other games alain, you adapt and try new ideas. There is no obvious reason why I couldn't be right, and you haven't stated a veiled one.

And as to the way I type, it as how I have always typed. I refuse to change my style of speech for you because it annoys you.

[evilbutterfly]

People who voted for TPS and what they said about him:

Afrobean - Bottom of Page 4 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358771#358771), he says it's because of TPS's behavior in the chat. Doesn't really point out what behavior, though.

eyespew - On Page 4 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358761#358761) he tells TPS to give evidence with his votes and says he thinks he only went after Alain because he wants to get rid of a big player. Later (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358823&sid=3d0a727ddc8b46057e65d6405672f2b4#358823), however, he says people shouldn't be bandwagoning and considers changing his vote. It's obvious his vote was more of a warning to TPS than it was that he really suspected TPS (correct me if I'm wrong).

ImEric - Random, on Page 2 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358348#358348).

Jursey - Right after Kilga (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358773&sid=3d0a727ddc8b46057e65d6405672f2b4#358773), Jurs voted with several paragraphs that I really can barely follow. I think she's trying to say that TPS is just trying to fit in after his devious plot to kill alain failed. I think she assumes a few things...

Kilga - At the top of Page 5 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358772&sid=3d0a727ddc8b46057e65d6405672f2b4#358772) he basically bandwagoned onto TPS (well, not totally. He, Afro, and Jurs all must have written their posts at the same time, as the post times are right on with each other). He said somebody of TPS's caliber should do better, but since when has TPS been of a very high caliber?? He has made stupid mistakes like this in the past, and I didn't think of him very highly (no offense). Also, Kilga usually gives more input than this with his votes, doesn't he? I can't really think of how Kilga acts, though, since he always posts so little.

LD - Page 2 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358299#358299) In a random roll he voted for TPS, right after I voted for him for not voting. However, LD, who ought to be good with random voting now, posted that he rolled 1 16-sided die. There are 16 players, total, no? Minus blah and LD he should have rolled a 14-sided die. He rolled an eleven regardless, so, counting down the list and skipping his and blah's name, he shouldn't have voted for TPS, he should have voted for...mead. Wait a second...TPS is 10th down the list. Too many mistakes LD...too many mistakes. Well, I'm using the list on Page 1, may be he used the sign up list. Aha, TPS is number 11 there. Still, LD and blah are both before him, as is AP, so he should have voted Jurs by that list if he had done it properly.

Neo - Page 5 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358814&sid=3d0a727ddc8b46057e65d6405672f2b4#358814), for flip flopping his vote around. Most of the flipping and flopping was due to TPS being confused about stuff. He really only changed his vote a couple times (which is completely normal for Day 1), if I remember correctly.

nforcer - Page 4 (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358750#358750), he voted TPS because he kept confusing names. I, for one, have been known to mix up eyespew and...hell, I can't even remember. One of those avatarless people who I always forget. Anywho, the point is, it was a pretty simple mistake, and it only happened once, but nforcer acted like TPS kept doing it.


Interesting things I saw:


Blue, over and out.

o wai


Totally missed that XD

Tass's vote for nforcer (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=358704#358704): He completely missed that nforcer explained his previously unmentioned reason right after he said that. I'd like to think Tass is more observant than that, but it could just be an honest mistake.

I think Afrobean is acting smarter than usual this game. Especially at the start of Day 1, he was more active and said very good stuff. As such, it seems a bit unusual that he would vote for TPS, when he ought to realize that TPS was just being stupid.

Anywho, I've been writing this post for a long friggin time (in Notepad (:P) since I made my last post earlier) so I probably have some thread reading to do after I make it. If anything I say is repeat of earlier, sorry!

[Kilgamayan]

Tps' first game saw him basically lead the wolves to a shutout victory, if I remember right. Not a bad first impression, wouldn't you say? That's why I hold him in high regard.

And whether Tps has been stupid in the past or not, I seriously doubt he's been that mindless before.

I'm getting sick of reading and re-reading this thread and not being able to see anything, so I'm going to take one solid look at it now and hopefully be finally able to produce a vote now that a bunch of people have written novels.

[Tasselfoot]

To clarify for you eb... nForcer and I were writing our posts at the same time. My post came out 5 minutes after his, as is shown on the posts. After I posted, I saw his post, and posted again stating my feelings that his post attempting to clarify his vote for eyespew really didn't settle any of my feelings about him at the time.

Then, 1 hour later, he makes another post further clarifying his reasoning. By this point I was at MSG enjoying hotdogs and the national anthem being played by a trumpet. So, even if I had wanted to, I couldn't have changed my vote, as I stated in my post before I left. With that said, I completely disagreed with all the bandwagoning done onto TPS, as I stated once Day 2 started.... and I likely wouldn't have changed my vote off of nForcer, purely to not bandwagon TPS.

Regardless, my feelings aren't completely settled about nForcer, but it appears the group has moved onto other fish to fry, so I guess I will have to investigate the Jursey/LD/Neon trinity, with the possibilities of Alain/eb as well.... not that I'm too convinced of mead's logic. It is just slightly farfetched.

[evilbutterfly]

Not to try and completely blow Alain's theory out, but didn't I also mention that the flypie killing could be a setup against LD (or myself, due to her vote)?

And Tass, I figured you'd understand what nforcer was saying. He said there was something he hadn't mentioned, then mentioned it. Wasn't hard for me to catch, and you always try to appear like you're a friggin genius :P.

[Tasselfoot]

Sorry... as I said above, I don't read into people's posts.... I took it literally, that he had some inside info or some such BS that he was hiding. And that reaked like hell to me.

[evilbutterfly]

And, and about mead: his suspicion of me, Alain, and LD as a group makes me look to him more as a wolf. My reason for voting LD this game has not been based on entirely nothing. I wish I had pushed a vote for him last game, because he really was a wolf. Also, further evidence against LD (that I posted in my huge post) leads me even more against him. Alain's accusations aren't completely unfounded either, and I think you know this. I don't agree with his 3 wolf team that he's picked out, but I'm pretty sure he always picks an odd set that I don't quite agree with. Honestly, your bunch makes more sense than his bunch.

For that reason, I think it's obvious who we should vote for. Alain and mead don't agree on anything so far, except that LD is a wolf. I agree too, as do others. I hope LD comes and defends himself some...

And to explain my huge post: I had said before that I figured one of the wolves voted for TPS, because it was a dumb vote. From it, I guess I'll post who I think the other wolves may be:

Afro just seems a little too...not Afro. He was really smart and doing well, but then he voted for TPS. Alain says Afro tried to convince him that TPS was a wolf. Earlier in the chat Afro was like, well, he probably was human, but he was the best choice at the time. Story not matching up + different behavior = wolf?

LD, of course.

I figure the 3rd wolf is outside of that list. We'll see later, though. I'd have to look at the voting guide again anyway, and I have no time now.

[HansSky]

Interesting things I saw:


Blue, over and out.

o wai


Totally missed that XD



Uh, don't take that seriously. I was making reference to infiltration, since I was blue? k?

k

[Kilgamayan]

All right, after reading through, my eye has fallen on Neonatrias.

I decided to take a look at what alain had pointed out, and I agree that the "maybe the wolves got some information about her" line isn't a terribly good idea to formulate. At this stage in the game, the seer would've seen one person at most, and I doubt they looked at flypie given other players present. That would leave flypie on her own, and she's smart enough to not slip up to the point of revealing something to a wolf that would make her worth going out of their way to kill her this early.

No offense to flypie, of course.

Also, he said an effort to frame LD was a "bold move" and thus almost disregarded that idea in favor of his other one. The wolves have already shown themselves to be bold by killing blah Night 1, which almost everyone has pointed out by now. I also think that "killing Person A's friend to frame Person A" would hopefully be looked down upon by anyone who read TWG 4 (or was it 6?) where Kefit got killed Night 1 and people jumped on me the next day when I was the seer. (Have I reminded all the humans in that game lately how much I hate them? >_>)

Seems to me that Neo is making things up for him to hide behind.

[alainbryden]

Mead. What fails in your theory, is that the same evidence you use to convict LD, is the evidence that I said. In addition to this, you said that I am connected to LD. It is impossible that If I were a fellow wolf of LD that I would present enough evidence to condemn him, yet little enough evidence that you would find me connected with him. It really makes no sence at all. The only reason whatsoever that you draw a connection between LD, EB and I, is because EB and I both voted LD. You really have no evidence whatsoever from which this investigation sprung and you are making up more crap then you have evidence to store it in.

As for your messed up sentance structure thanks to your substitution of rediculous synonyms, you may be taken more legitimately if you put down your damn thesaurus. You're not impressing anyone.

[lightdarkness]

I really don't see the suspicion around me. EB's vote is totally bogus, because I did use the sign up list, and TPS is the eleventh on there.

As for the others, I still don't see it. I posted those 3 things because I figured people would get suspicious if I didn't post. I really don't know what to think this game. Not knowing who is out there, what roles, ect... really throws people off. So, I'll pull a Tass here and say "Seer me" (If there is a seer), I honestly have nothing to hid, and would like to talk to those who are suspicious of me, and maybe I can put those to rest.

[alainbryden]

That being said I will shift my vote to neonatrias, keeping in mind the possiblity that Flypie was the seer, confided to LD, who killed her, as is suggested by the series of events and the comments made my neonatrias preceded by LD.

[Tasselfoot]

LD.... what the hell. C'mon. You're using the "Seer Me" line NOW? Honestly, you'll be lucky to live out the day, and up to now I was really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I haven't seen anything all that suspicious, although those who have made claims against you have had decent points...... but, WOW. That is really really smelly. It almost comes off as "I'm a wolf, and I'm going to use that line to try and buy myself a day, maybe draw out the seer."

[JurseyRider734]

I'm really surprised that you all found my sudden intelligence to be wolfish...I guess it never occurred to you that I didn't feel like being called a stupid idiot anymore. Ap didn't even want me to play because he thought I was stupid...which is how everyone else felt the last game I played in. I kind of wanted to prove people wrong, but I guess you guys just find that if I act smarter, that means i'm automatically OF COURSE a wolf.

About the "the wolves are doing a pretty good job" thing...

The reason I said that was because blah to flypie was an interesting combination. I've never played with flypie for very long except that one time when I was a mason and she was killed quickly, and from the other TWGs I didn't think she was one of the strongest players. I never even heard ANYTHING from flypie except things like "hey sup" in chat, which is why the kill stumped me. I don't really see a connection between flypie and LD other than them being friends, but there was something I had a feeling about from day 1, and Alain can vouch for me saying this on day 1.

A few things have come to my attention. I, for one, haven't seen Hans talk too often. Probably because i've been out every night and working today, but I don't see him talking a lot. It reminds me of Infiltration. He told me that he was being active just enough to keep him out of suspicion from anyone, also, what about his "gut feeling"? I remember in the games when he was playing as a wolf he never told about his gut feeling, and I never saw him mention it this game. Where is it? If it's me and I find out about it, then something's definitely sketchy there. This isn't a revenge vote for him voting for me, I've been feeling badly about him from day 1, although that could result from OTHER things, but I just have. Since I have no other hardcore suspicions ...

HansSky

[lightdarkness]

LD.... what the hell. C'mon. You're using the "Seer Me" line NOW? Honestly, you'll be lucky to live out the day, and up to now I was really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I haven't seen anything all that suspicious, although those who have made claims against you have had decent points...... but, WOW. That is really really smelly. It almost comes off as "I'm a wolf, and I'm going to use that line to try and buy myself a day, maybe draw out the seer."

I do kinda see that and regret saying so, but I don't know what I can do to convince my humanity.

I honestly don't see where this "evidence" is coming from, but if you truely think I'm a wolf, I can't really do anything about that. However, if you would like to chat, i'm here to put your fears at ease.

[Tasselfoot]

LD - eyespew, eb, (2)
Jursey - Hans, (1)
Alain - Mead, (1)
Neon - Kilga, Alain, (2)
Hans - Jursey (1)

Not Voted: Afro, Eric, LD, Neon, nForcer, Tass (6)

[Tasselfoot]

Also, deadline is in 4 hours. Instalynch is 7 votes.

[lightdarkness]

I've talked to Tass, Alain, and EB.

Tass seems to think I'm human (which is right XD) but my post made him uneasy, fair enough. I will continue to try and prove my humanity.

Neight and I talked about mead1's post, and how he tried to put alain and myself together, obviously false :-)

Then, I talked to EB, trying to convince him my humanity. I brought up mead1's logic, and we talked about that. It seems to be the best choice as of right now.

[mead1]

Mead. What fails in your theory, is that the same evidence you use to convict LD, is the evidence that I said. In addition to this, you said that I am connected to LD.

This is not where my theory fails. This means that assuming I am wrong (which is a possibility), we both have about the same suspicions of LD. As to the rest of your post, I already explained why it is entirely possible you would make a case against LD, and I feel no reason to justify myself further to you.

You say I am making up more than I am presenting. That may have some bearing. There is a set amount of evidence, and an unlimited amount of possible theorizing.

You are also correct that I connect you and eb through your vote on LD, but what does this prove? Is there any "evidence quota" that needs to be filled for a theory to be investigated?

Finally, I am not attempting to impress anyone with the way I speak, nor am I using a thesaurus.

You have done nothing in your posts to actually disprove anything that I said. Unless you have some actual evidence to disprove what I say, desist in your clogging of the topic. For it is you, who are not impressing anyone.

[evilbutterfly]

Yeah, I was gonna switch off of LD to avoid killing him (because I always feel guilty of killing people, and really the voting thing isn't much to codemn him) and switch to mead, but now I see that people may switch to him and get him killed, and I'd still feel guilty, and I don't know if anything mead has done is really worth a lynching either. Plus it may appear as bandwagoning onto LD, which I don't want to do.

So I'm conflicted, and not sure, but I think I have a solution. Afrobean really has been a lil strange this game. Last time he was a wolf I kinda knew it, and I feel bad about him now, so I think I may have him now, too. Sorry bud, but it had to be done.

[lightdarkness]

I now don't think mead is a wolf either XD He is acting just as I was a few minutes ago, and I don't think he is a wolf.

I'm at a loss for who to vote for. Ap is telling me that I can't vote for myself, so I will put a vote on my buddy eb

IF ANOTHER PERSON PUTS A VOTE ON EB I WILL INSTANTLY SWITCH OFF, I IN NO WAY THINK HE IS A WOLF, HOWEVER SELF VOTING IS NOT ALLOWED.

[Tasselfoot]

OK... My feeling is that either LD or Alain has to be a wolf. But, I honestly have human feelings for both. So in my book, they both stay alive another day.

That leaves nForcer, who I still am not too sure about (he has said VERY little on day 2), but he explained himself from day 1, and I see no reason to place a completely worthless vote on him, as no one else is going to follow.

Lastly is Jursey. I talked about her with Hans last night, I read the posts by Hans and Alain about her, and I've seen her recent defensive post and counter-vote to Hans. The fact is that normally, I'd think she's human for the counter-vote. Generally it is human spite to bounce it back to whoever voted for them, but Jursey is different. Her normal is to do that. Her normal is to be bitchy and defensive and act like a spoiled child at the 1st sign of a vote against her. I honestly think that she is shedding herself of the "stupid" vibe that surrounds her, and has taken a very intelligent move. As soon as suspicion gets on her, she does what would normally be viewed as a human action, the spite counter-vote. In addition, it is her normal action.... but we've already established she isn't doing her normal TWG actions. She is being smarter. That vote wasn't.

My Vote goes to Jursey, moreso for the reasons stated by Hans/Alain, but my small finding is the icing on the cake.


LD - eyespew (1)
Jursey - Hans, Tass (2)
Alain - Mead, (1)
Neon - Kilga, Alain, (2)
Hans - Jursey (1)
Afro - eb (1)
eb - LD (1)

Not Voted: Afro, Eric, Neon, nForcer (4)

[evilbutterfly]

Speaking of Jurs, in response to what she said: People don't suspect you for being smart, they suspect you for being different.

[nforcer06164]

Sorry about the inactivity, everyone. I've had a hectic day, and I've had little time to read the thread (though I have), much less formulate a strategy. The first post I made was done within ten minutes, during which I also caught up on what I had missed in the thread.

I stated before that I had an odd feeling about both LD and Jursey. As I thought about the issue when I had the chance, my leeriness (is that a word?) of the former slowly waned. I still have a bad feeling about Jursey, though. I don't know if her change in attitude is really suspicious to me, but it does make some sense. Anyway, based mostly on a gut feeling, I am going to vote for Jursey.

[JurseyRider734]

Eb, Tass,

The reason I am ACTING different is because I am trying to act smarter, which is what I had in mind from Day 1, no matter what role I had. I wanted to prove people that I can play this game as well as others, and prove that I can handle playing even in this specific game which is supposedly more "taxing". So sorry that me trying to act smarter is coming off as "different" and "wolfish". I also wasn't even having my vote on Hans as a defense vote, as I stated to Alain on Day 1, I had a weird feeling about him. Even ask Alain.

[Afrobean]

I'm voting for LD. This is basically a bandwagon, but I think a bandwagon is better than a random vote. I'm sure that all decent evidence has already been brought forward, so I don't really have anything to add. I just would like to say that some good evidence that didn't seem to get any attention was when alain said that flypie might have let it slip to LD that she was a blue and LD took advantage of this and wolfed her, then played the "i'm bein' framed" card.

PS
(20:43:52) Afrobean: sorry to bother you, but what's better: a random vote or a bandwagon?
(20:43:57) Tasselfoot: neither.
(20:44:05) Tasselfoot: make your vote off of the best evidence you can muster.
(20:44:13) Tasselfoot: we have 7 people with votes, 5 with 1 and 2 with 2.
(20:44:18) Tasselfoot: random voting does dick.
(20:44:25) Afrobean: best evidence I can see has already been presented
(20:44:29) Tasselfoot: someone with 2 votes could get lynched.
(20:44:30) Tasselfoot: so?
(20:44:33) Tasselfoot: then bandwagon.
(20:44:33) Afrobean: random saved me from phantom
(20:44:47) Afrobean: **saves
(20:44:50) Tasselfoot: if the best evidence you've seen has been presented, then bandwagon....
(20:44:57) Tasselfoot: no reason not to vote for someone if you believe in the evidence
(20:45:12) Afrobean: alright, thanks

PPS what's the deal with jurs? You're all going to lynch her just because she isn't acting like an idiot?

[Tasselfoot]

LD - eyespew, Afro (2)
Jursey - Hans, Tass, nForcer (3)
Alain - Mead, (1)
Neon - Kilga, Alain, (2)
Hans - Jursey (1)
Afro - eb (1)
eb - LD (1)

Not Voted: Eric, Neon (2)

ends in 1 hour and 55 minutes.

[alainbryden]

I agree with Afrobean. I've been discussing the wolf thing more directly with Jursey, and I'm thinking you should pull votes of hey. Not sure about LD, but certainly shouldn't die tonight, because there isn't enough evidence against him. I still think neonatrias is the best choice.

[Afrobean]

Not sure about LD, but certainly shouldn't die tonight, because there isn't enough evidence against him. I still think neonatrias is the best choice.
What evidence is there against neonatrias?

[evilbutterfly]

You see, the thing is, every time I vote I talk to the person I'm voting for, and they always make me feel guilty and they appear to be human. And now I feel really dumb because I now think just about everybody is human. I am so clueless right now, but I'll stick with Afrobean for being kinda shifty. I'm not one to switch my vote much anyway, so yeah.

Also, I think everybody is kinda confused. More people need to post their ideas on the wolves. Think about it this way: if we all stay quiet, the wolves kill us and nothing is brought forward to find the wolves. If one person speaks out in that situation, they get killed. BUT if we ALL speak out against who we suspect, then everybody is "at risk" so we're no more likely to die. In the all-quiet situation, somebody who is killed may not be right, they're just being vocal, which is reason for wolfing. If we're all open and on to something, it's more obvious that if somebody dies they may be on to something. As such, it makes such a killing less likely. Therefore, EVERYBODY BE VOCAL ABOut ALL SUSPICIONS. Thanks :D.

[alainbryden]

His post suggesting that Flypie had a special role that the wolves knew about and that she got killed for that. If no human knew about the fact that Flypie was a special role, and she was, and neonatrias did, then he just told everyone that he's a wolf. This is assuming he was slipping up and not just pulling the most random Idea possible out of his ass, which I really don't think is possible.

nforcer, don't bandwagon on Tass' vote just because he refuses to change his vote even though there are better choices. You have NO evidence, just trust in other players that could be wolves. I suggest you change your vote, unless you're a wolf, in which case go ahead and lynch another human like you did TPS.

[nforcer06164]

Alain, I stated before any votes were placed that I had some weird vibes about LD and Jursey. You were the first to post about Jursey, but even before that I was thinking about her and LD. The mere fact that I posted my vote after Tass because I haven't had time today is mere coincidence. I had a gut feeling ever since Flypie was killed. I'm not voting because of Tass's and eb's reasons. I'm voting on, once again, the feeling I got. It's not a bandwagon. I think Jursey has changed for the better, and that's a good thing. I guess I'm not allowed to vote on gut feelings, huh? Even though this is the first time I've ever done it?

I don't know why the hell you'd point a finger at me. YOU were the one on page 7 that pointed out Jursey's change in behavior. YOU were the one that posted the "evidence" that started the votes for Jursey. So, how is this vote from me so unusual? Simply because I'm not using the same "evidence" you used? Or did you forget about that already? Alain, that seems kind of odd to me. Oh, and if Jursey was a potential wolf to you earlier, why is she suddenly a human? You want a vote change, Alain? You got it.

[alainbryden]

Okay, so I'm a wolf because I changed my mind. Well done.

Eb, I've actually been subject to the same situation as you so I know where you're coming from. Well that's good, Jursey's not getting voted tonight, That's why I was hoping for, so thanks nforcer. I was never pointing a finger at you as a wolf for bandwagonning, just saying that you needed to think for yourself, and pressuring you to change your vote.

[Tasselfoot]

52 Minutes folks.... Lets go Neon and Eric. 2 Phantoms are TERRIBLE to have later in the game. Get your votes in.

LD - eyespew, Afro (2)
Jursey - Hans, Tass (2)
Alain - Mead, nForcer (2)
Neon - Kilga, Alain, (2)
Hans - Jursey (1)
Afro - eb (1)
eb - LD (1)

Not Voted: Eric, Neon (2)

[JurseyRider734]

Since I have trust in Alain, I'm going to save him from a knife in the box and vote for Neonatrias, since there's no point in voting for HansSky tonight.

[ImEric12]

Okay, after looking over some of the posts, alain made some pretty damned good points. My vote lies with Neon. [and sorry I've been so inactive lately, I actually have a social life for once... yuck]

[lightdarkness]

LD - eyespew, Afro (2)
Jursey - Hans, Tass(2)
Alain - Mead, nforcer (2)
Neon - Kilga, Alain, Jursey, imeric (4)
Afro - eb (1)
eb - LD (1)

[Tasselfoot]

You're saving yourself too Jurs..... you forgot to mention that.

LD - eyespew, Afro (2)
Jursey - Hans, Tass (2)
Alain - Mead, nForcer (2)
Neon - Kilga, Alain, Jursey, Eric (4)
Afro - eb (1)
eb - LD (1)

Not Voted: Neon (1)

[JurseyRider734]

Quick with the fingers there, eh Eric?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/JurseyRider734/UHOH.jpg

[Tasselfoot]

Eric...... DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES EDIT YOUR POST.

Jesus Christ..... C'mon.

[alainbryden]

I guess neon's phantom won't matter.

[nforcer06164]

Well, Alain, you got what you wanted from me. But for the record, next time, tell us when you change your mind, because you've got me pretty damn suspicious.

[nforcer06164]

By the way, I have tried contacting Neo. Unfortunately, I can't get a hold of him to tell him that he's screwed, so I don't think he has access to a computer (wherever he may be), and I don't think he'll be voting tonight, either. Not like it matters at this point, anyway.

[Narrator]

Sun's down, night-time. Thread closed.

[Narrator]

First off guys, I'm terribly sorry for not writing a story about Neonatrias's death. I was sick as hell yesterday and frankly wasn't up to the task. I'll try to be around for you all as much as I can though. Here comes day 3:

The wind blew stiff that night. The wind rattled and whistled the most ominous songs as they chattered against the trees. Eyespewgreekfire's house was nestled inside bushes and a tall, sturdy oak resting in the center of the front.

He slept with his eyes open, quivering and nervous the whole night. A small pistol lay clasped in his left hand, his pillow tightly bound by the right. His disheveled sheets were twisted and strewn all across his body.

The window shattered. A bullet was looking him in the eye. But be it some force of God, or some unfathomable law of nature, it slid right by his forehead and put a hole in the wall. He lifted his left hand up and unloaded his whole clip in just a few seconds.

"**** ****, I hope I hit him"

He jumped out of bed and ran for the door. Halfway there a man stood right outside his window looking him in the eye. The gun was aimed right for eyespew's temple. Eyespew closed his eyes and waited for the sound of his death.

Gunfire Rang.

Eyespew opened his eyes and looked all around him, no sign of blood was on his body, he was numb of all feeling, but couldn't sense any gunshot. He walked towards the window to see a man with a bloody, mangled leg limping away from his house. A blue electric current was running through his body, sending him into convulsions..

He woke up the next morning and a note was on his doorstep

"Thought you might need my help tonight, guess I stopped by the right place
-Your guardian angel"

Twelve men walked to ComSec. Eyespew ran up to the door with a note in his hand shouting, "Well look who those bastards missed last night. Looks like we got another free day on our hands."

Everyone was ecstatic, cheering erupted and everyone rushed to eyespew, their new found human comrade.

[lightdarkness]

W00000000000000000000000T

Hey guys, I think Eyespew is human :-P

[eyespewgreekfire]

Quick announcement: If youre a special role, please IM me. :)

[Kilgamayan]

Wow, ns guardian.

[evilbutterfly]

Well, at least now I know I was right about the electro guy being the guardian. Congrats to whoever saved eyespew, and let's go on and win this thing. Just remember, wolves may try to be tricky, so don't trust everybody immediately ;).

[JurseyRider734]

AWW GUARDIAN ANGEL, HOW CUTE.

[nforcer06164]

Wow, now I feel bad about suspecting eyespew before. Dare I say that we're well on our way to victory now?

[mead1]

Yay for the gaurdian. Now we know there is one in this game.

[alainbryden]

Nice going. Here's a summary of yesterday's end.

http://img86.exs.cx/img86/9513/day2sum5zw.jpg

[alainbryden]

I'm sorry about the stretch, I didn't consider that others may not have a 17' screen. And notice that I've reversed blah and eb's records accidentally in the long term records.

[nforcer06164]

But where is the game discussion? Seriously. Yesterday, there was a little chatter about the flypie kill being an attempt to frame LD. Eyespew voted for LD, and now there was an attempt to kill eyespew... hmmm... possibly ANOTHER attempt to frame LD? Or am I thinking too hard? Any input, guys?

[nforcer06164]

OK, guys, this is disgusting. You've had more than 14 hours to say something after my post, and many of you were able to, yet there has been no discussion. No discussion is just slowly giving the wolves a win. I have to give some credit to Alain for a least putting up the vote history, because that at least gave me something to say.

I'm going to vote LD for now. I think this subtle voting pattern may be a double-reverse psychology stunt he's trying to pull.

Narrator, there's no time for the day's end. We don't know when our votes will be final.

[eyespewgreekfire]

where have you been eric? you paying attention to the game?

[eyespewgreekfire]

Also, as I said before, if youre a speical role PLEASE TELL ME! I still need to hear from the seer, if he exists.

[lightdarkness]

OK, guys, this is disgusting. You've had more than 14 hours to say something after my post, and many of you were able to, yet there has been no discussion. No discussion is just slowly giving the wolves a win. I have to give some credit to Alain for a least putting up the vote history,