Should the FFR Official Tournament Only Use New Files?

[TC_Halogen]

To make things a bit simple and less jaded, I'll explain it clearly.

- The current queue right now is down to 29 files. This seems like a lot, but this number is severely dwindled from what it was before, because the batch of judgments has been stalled for quite some time due to judge inactivity. Because of this, the game management team on the batch side opened up judgment applications to get new simfile judges to potentially fill in the void caused by numerous judges retiring.

- The judgment situation has actually been stalled for a while. The concept of adding judges to the team was something that was mentioned multiple times (we're talking back far enough to when I had just barely taken game management), but it never came to fruition. While there is progress, we don't know exactly how long it will take to not only complete the acquisition of simfile judges, but also to get enough of them to the point where a batch can be completed and the high-quality files extrapolated.

- Internalizing files is basically intaking files without going through the formal batch process. Files have been internalized in the official tournaments since the 6th official, because it is exceptionally difficult to fill all slots through conventional means. In almost all cases, the missing files were near the end of a high-level division, although the 10th official was anomalous in that internal files were used over multiple divisions in random spots.

- I will not withdraw what I said about the community being spoiled, because that is my personal opinion and I have stated that multiple times with regards to divisions as well, but that is well outside of the scope of this discussion. The community needs to realize that at this current moment, content is at a crippling low with no potential fallback. Utilizing all new files for a tournament requires 56 brand new files minimally, not assuming any fallback for the numerous potentials for tiebreakers, and the fact that you're going to want to have content to release immediately afterward when the song is over. FFR went four weeks without a single song due to my negligence once before, but I actually did have songs available to turn things around thanks to batch timing. This is looking a bit more dangerous and potentially long lasting if things don't turn up soon.

EDIT:

I don't think many of the people here can make informed decisions, and therefore probably shouldn't be making the decisions, and you're getting mad at, what appears to be simple ignorance.

Not going to refer what I tactlessly responded to Gradiant as "simple ignorance."

[PhantomPuppy]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

p.s. mix of old/new is the best -- use new for prize rounds (r 5/6 through 8), use old for everything else

hey hey, halogen agrees with me or... do I AGREE WITH HIM?!?!? *dum dum dum*

[Trumpet63]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

- Internalizing files is basically intaking files without going through the formal batch process. Files have been internalized in the official tournaments since the 6th official, because it is exceptionally difficult to fill all slots through conventional means. In almost all cases, the missing files were near the end of a high-level division, although the 10th official was anomalous in that internal files were used over multiple divisions in random spots.

Oh god, internalizing sounds awful! Screw the official, we need to stop internalizing!
(This isn't sarcasm, I'm serious!)

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Where did I bitch? I didn't think hi19's comment was constructive. With everyone else I've been interacting and trying to explain things as it seems a lot of people don't understand the current situation.

I was talking about t.c. saying his Bullshit

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I was talking about t.c. saying his Bullshit

He's not part of staff anymore, apologies. That's why I thought it was towards me.

[Red Blaster]

New files are a win-win situation for everyone, players who get new files to play, the steppers who get to add more of their work into the game and the tournament staff who get to host a fancy-smancy tournament. If this means the official is delayed a few months then that's a fair trade off in my book.

I think that Hi19 has a point that if already released files were used it'd basically in essence be a glorified user tournament. You'd also get the people crying about such and such file being picked isn't fair and blah blah blah.

But whatever, we'll all gonna play regardless of how it pans out.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

He's not part of staff anymore, apologies. That's why I thought it was towards me.

It's no problem, my apologies as well. I didn't specify who I was talking to.

[blindreper1179]

Honestly if it's only one tournament a year, New files make the field even, it's worth the wait.

[PhantomPuppy]

if it takes a bit longer to get files in, the world isn't going to end. we just appreciate that the staff take into account what the community thinks on the situation.

[storn42]

honestly i feel like new songs make the official tournies more special. not only is it "oh hey! cool new songs!" but it also puts everyone on a more even playing field, since while nobody knows what the songs will be, they will have practice playing them before hand. But this does not mean that it HAS to be all new songs. i think it would be cool if we started off with old songs that everyone knows and as the tourny progresses we get more and more new songs. where the last rounds especially are all new songs. not only is it hype for last rounds, but hype for new songs as well. i personlly think this would be one of the best compromises for the lack of songs situation.
the other alternative is to get more people to step more awesome songs god damn it!

[HeZe]

One of the most exciting thing in tourneys is seeing new files coming.

I have three suggestions:
1. Auto accept all files stepped by ilikexd and hi19hi19 from the batches which haven't been judged yet. This is only half-serious suggestion but it'd add dozens of quality songs to the queue

2. TEMPORARILY add unjudged files (if it passes a quick look) to the missing slots and maybe remove them from public access after the tournament?

3. Only divisions 6 and 7 get new songs, as most of the focus will be directed to those divisions anyway.

EDIT: Now I've read the entire topic. None will care if even most of the songs are old, the main thing is that the tournament will happen. You just have to remember that we have got used to the "luxury" of receiving only new songs in the tournament and you can't expect us to cheerfully accept that now we are going backwards, even though we know that it has to be done.

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by Trumpet63

Oh god, internalizing sounds awful! Screw the official, we need to stop internalizing!
(This isn't sarcasm, I'm serious!)

Let's say there are 4 batches used for the official, 50 files each for 200 in total. 70 are accepted, and the official needs something like 56 to run. Out of those 70, the majority will be concentrated in the 40-78 difficulty range. There will be holes in the upper and lower extremes. So you can run another batch, a special easy or hard songs batch. This fills a lot of those holes. But even after one of those there are still a couple of empty slots: maybe d6 needs a final round, d7 needs a semifinal, and d1 needs a first round. Do you run another batch? A "90-95 difficulty batch" and "1-10 dificulty batch". It sounds absurd, but even if you did one it would mostly be charts submitted that go way out of their way to be difficult when it doesn't well suit the music -- this is already a notorious problem in regular hard batches themselves. Now remember that each one of those batches, the normal and special ones, require a lot of effort from the steppers, judges, and batch organizers that might not be possible. And in the end there are still a few empty slots that need to be filled, it's just a statistical near-certainty that even given an arbitrarily high number of batches ran, there is very likely going to be a missing file at like difficulty 90-91 for a certain round of d6 or d7, or even that there just happened to be no file suitable at difficulty 43-45 for d4, or such and such. Keep in mind a chart can be generally acceptable for FFR, but certain types are more preferable for official tournament play. Internally slotting files is a low-effort and fast fix to a near-unavoidable problem. It's hard to say it fairly from a biased position, but whatever. I think it would be cool to see a greater diversity of steppers having content in all stages of the tournament, and it's regrettable that it doesn't happen.

[choof]

who even cares anymore it's not like using old or new files or whatever will breath any kind of life into the game

I'm actually kinda appalled that staff would even have the gall to bring up an official considering how badly staff has been shitting all over FFR lmao

[choof]

maybe i'm just being paranoid but for some reason, the prospect of an official, given the timing of all of the embarrassing stuff going on behind the scenes, doesn't feel genuine; it just feels like it's being used to appease the community

[choof]

here are some questions: does the staff genuinely think that an official tournament in the near future is even remotely a good idea? has the staff fixed the stuff needed on the backend? will we run into more server issues while the official's happening?

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by choof

maybe i'm just being paranoid but for some reason, the prospect of an official, given the timing of all of the embarrassing stuff going on behind the scenes, doesn't feel genuine; it just feels like it's being used to appease the community

It's a regular yearly thing aimed to be organized in the summer. The timing is unfortunate but not related.

[choof]

the tourney should be postponed then until staff is certain that all of the issues that need to be fixed are fixed

[Trumpet63]

Originally Posted by ilikexd

(thorough explanation)

Okay, geez, I'm clueless on this stuff clearly. That was a good explanation, but there was more to this than expected. I'll ask people outside of this thread so I can get a better understanding.

[gold stinger]

Ever since I played TWG I look at threads like these and they look like a game of TWG


help

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Ever since I played TWG I look at threads like these and they look like a game of TWG


help

That's because people are being imbeciles and ass holes about it, instead of just trying to contribute to the discussion, and ignoring those who said things in a poor way, and just using the report button. The way they should have.