TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[DaBackpack]

Also, I agree, the potential of a wolf within Freezin and Shado is freaking me out. But it's mostly driven by paranoia.

There might be one power wolf, but less likely to be two. Normally I'd be inclined to try to expose them to "cut the head off the snake", but I actually wonder if it makes more strategic sense to draw them out by targeting the lower posters. It might not work this phase because wolves have a safe buffer and wouldn't necessarily feel the need to overextend to protect a partner, but if we can get them down to 2, then it will become much more necessary for wolves to cover each other.

Maybe it's just because of the mountainous setup, which I'm not used to, or if we've (I've) just been doing so poorly and self-sabotaging that the wolves have never really felt the need to intervene and lead discussion. Which is why it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot to go off of even today.

anyways, I'm doing a mild reset and summoning botchi to the stand

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Star <-> bugkid vote crossing each other. Post is #400 for bugkid's.

Kinda curious if your thoughts changed overall at this point if you're looking back at this.

after d0 i was less interested in solving star which is why i dropped it. the weirdo feelings went away, i cant even tell you what exactly it was that was bothering me. sunfan mightve been contributing to those feelings. in hindsight i think its probably never a good idea to kill star d0. i really didnt want to kill ben though

[bugkid666]

i unfortunately will also be around very little tomorrow, and may even miss eod. i was kicking myself for not pushing dbp more last phase but now i really this this may be more likely

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I want to do a mic drop too

Xel / botchi / zenith

I'd go to Vegas and bet I'm at least 2/3 here

i'm torn, and hope xel and zenith can talk more.

[the sun fan]

aside from the last hour or so of EOD, yall might be looking at my content for this phase, unfortunately. I'll try to post some more tonight

it is worse than I thought
I am dropping a vote on zenith to at least do something

I encourage town to reconsider the status quo (yes I know I just voted zenith) because there ARE wolves outside of it at this point

one doesn't NEED to find a deep wolf here, but we need to begin constructing teams that can include that
like if zenith is red, shadowolfe is NOT zenith's partner
that's the kind of thing we need to be thinking about and trying to make sense of

[botchi246]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

aside from the last hour or so of EOD, yall might be looking at my content for this phase, unfortunately. I'll try to post some more tonight

it is worse than I thought
I am dropping a vote on zenith to at least do something

I encourage town to reconsider the status quo (yes I know I just voted zenith) because there ARE wolves outside of it at this point

one doesn't NEED to find a deep wolf here, but we need to begin constructing teams that can include that
like if zenith is red, shadowolfe is NOT zenith's partner
that's the kind of thing we need to be thinking about and trying to make sense of

i can get behind this. time to sus em out/


also dbp, whats the word

[XelNya]

My cat has been meowing at me to go entertain her while I write this

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this is extremely nasty and you will be lynched for it dabackpack

I like, see where you're coming from but, I dunno if it's thaaaaaaaat harsh

granted dbp played a horrible d1, let's not skirt the issue there, but

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this fucking sucks

zenith

He kind of foreshadowed his vote was one he wasn't happy with, so I'm a bit less cut the head off about it

but an explanation of his thought process from his perspective would be better if it's not present yet

But now that I have finished page 55 (1,100) I'm a bit more happy to see your post, the avoidance of it at this point other than to say "bet" with like 20 ish minutes is bad in the "I don't think he can explain it well sort of manner

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Calling it on zenith/botchi/bugkid.

The (how the hell was I supposed to find that?) team.

Question for you then

with the kills:

Raeko -> Star

and lynches:

Benguin -> Hatred

can you layout why you think these night kills apply to those three people, because like

I could entertain bugkid probably the most at a glance for the kills
I couldn't entertain them for the lynches, I feel scum bugkid defends ben more / better as a clean pocket maybe, do we think a wolf openly like

uses a defense post to subtly hint ben should go so blatantly
(I'm quite hung up on that post tbh, might even be a slight tunnel on it going forward.)

Botchi I don't know enough about as a player, I'm fucking lost there
Zenith is sort of like, can we prescribe malice to crashing out and leaving as a wolf with these actions in mind

I dunno if I get there with the star kill hindsight, and that'd be more ballsy than I think this game could handle? Maybe I'm being too nice despite my feelings on Zenith being overwhelmingly low here

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i would have to be playing an incredible wolf game as my first one ever, and instead im just playing a dogshit town game. cmon yall use your big juicy brains

The self-meta posting this game has made me want to drag certain people for the rest of the game

For me personally, this is always an overwhelming negative and I've kind of hit my last straw with it

You're not qualified to talk about your own game, unless you're using your post history to do it, because at least we can walk through your actions and follow your thoughts to check them out, which I don't think your statement here works for at all

colour me annoyed at you for the moment, I might come back to it later

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

How do you think you would play your first wolf game ?

Oh, shut up

anyways

Originally Posted by bugkid666

...i think its less likely to frame him and more likely that since they "cleared" each other, a raeko kill would theoretically be unlikely to come from xel therefore absolving him of that crime, to most people...

To sort of navigate this point without openly being a hypocrite

I don't think saying we "cleared" each other is fair, for starters she only voted elsewhere I'd say begurdgingly

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

if nobody is down to go for Xel I will switch my vote to Star

I just don't feel the towniness that I would expect from Star, I got weird vibes from a few posts and I want to trust my initial feelings without overthinking things too hard

If we wanna reparse it that's fine but, I do think stating we "cleared" each other is a bit of a stretch if not infringing on malicious here, I really don't like it

Originally Posted by botchi246

all 3 wolves gotta be in the top votes.
i dont see a sunfan wolf, so its gotta be in xel, dbp, freezin and shado

i think im trending town on bugkid and haku but idk zenith. i think our lynchpool should be those 4.

and since i tried using math last day, i think my math is here is still strong

i just really dont see a wolf just voting by themself. but thats just me.

we can have some coffee, have a chat

Hiya, long time no see, hows the day going

I see you're in this nice cafe, working on a little article there...

feels like it's missing a bit something though, sir, it's a tad short, could use some expansion here and there, you know really fill the page friend

and she just zoomied off, welp

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by XelNya

The self-meta posting this game has made me want to drag certain people for the rest of the game

For me personally, this is always an overwhelming negative and I've kind of hit my last straw with it

You're not qualified to talk about your own game, unless you're using your post history to do it, because at least we can walk through your actions and follow your thoughts to check them out, which I don't think your statement here works for at all

colour me annoyed at you for the moment, I might come back to it later

that's fair, i didnt consider that, and i get that it comes across as a bit cheeky.

meta is sometimes all we have i think. but also i think wolves lean on that "defense" as a scapegoat for not providing real insight so i understand the annoyance

[bugkid666]

i would entertain voting botchi zenith or backpack today, not currently interested in anyone else today

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i would entertain voting botchi zenith or backpack today, not currently interested in anyone else today

you really ought to narrow that list down because, hypothetically, shadowolfe can look at this list and be on a team with botchi and dbp and be like
"yup, I love the idea of a zenith kill today, let's do it"

maybe you were already doing that idk but like
don't cast the net too wide

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by roundbox

The Votecount

benguino (5) - DaBackpack, XelNya, ShadoWolfe, Hateandhatred, the sun fan

botchi246 (2) - benguino, FreezinIce
star-crossed (2) - bugkid666, mellon_collie
DaBackpack (1) - Hakulyte
the sun fan (1) - _Zenith_
bugkid666 (1) - star-crossed

Not voting - botchi246

Originally Posted by roundbox

The Votecount
_Zenith_ (3) - XelNya, the sun fan, ShadoWolfe
Hateandhatred (3) - FreezinIce, star-crossed, DaBackpack

botchi246 (2) - Hakulyte, bugkid666

DaBackpack (1) - Hateandhatred
ShadoWolfe (1) - botchi246
Hakulyte (1) - _Zenith_

this doesnt add any info we dont already know but it helps me to be able to visualize potential wolf teams

would two wolves really pile onto a wolf zenith? maybe thats why dbp swapped last minute?

[bugkid666]

i'm afraid to even put this out into the universe but @sunfan i want to hear your thoughts about a potential haku/freezin wolf team

[botchi246]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

This is why I'm paranoid about ever commenting about the night kill because of things like this. It's not alignment indicative like 99% of the time sir

i think you are shrugging me off and taking heat off shadowolfe here. can anyone else vouch for the alignment indicative part?

and you were pushing that train on HnH so hard, like super hard.

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I'm ok with zenith dying too to be clear but atm I'm seeing red looking at HnH

if freezin is a wolf, then there is no way zenith can be a wolf

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

voters on ben at EOD, it was me, xel, sunfan, dbp, shado

I exonerate sunfan and myself (obviously)

xel's early park is too random

shado has cursed vote movement through d0 imo

that leaves dbp

i agree with hnh here about the cursed vote movement
and sunfan is cleared for me on this list
leaving xel, dbp, shado...interesting

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

dabackpack

I'm following star. she's the ONLY name in this whole goddamn roster that I actually trust

scummy vote, yah star was universally townread good job stating the obvious

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

hateandhatred

what an easy vote. omg

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

zenith

why the frick did you do this at the end?
following star like a lapdog, and then out of left field.
more cursed vote movement

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I really feel like the people who were wowed on shado's condeming of zenith probably have a good bit to answer for for not committing if zenith flips red here today

seeing this from sunfan

if shado is a wolf then zenith is not

[botchi246]

id like to reengage with haku and zenith if i get too before eod.

haku you really need to get off the d0 thing. i explained it, it was a mistake, time to move on. you have to believe me on this. i think your opinion of me is blown out and you need to take new stock

zenith, i think im leaning town, but i really need to hear from him like yesterday. i know this flies in the face of most reasoning in the thread. i think the mistake with the pr was honest albeit convoluted. other than low activity, i really need to hear why yall want him dead

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i am pretty convinced theres at least one wolf between zenith/botchi. also the more i think about it the more i do think xel benefits from a raeko n1 kill.

i think star dying benefits all wolves at this point. im honestly doubtful there was exactly one or even several specific things that they said that will implicate anyone in particular due to their volume of posts alone. i dont know that its worth scrubbing through their posts to figure it out.

i think you are a little misdirected on your wolf team there, but also what does xel have to gain? do you think that raeko can read xel easier than most?

also i want to believe that you arent a wolf as well bugkid666. i have iso'ed you, and other than that weirdish convo with haku about not being a wolf... it seems clean

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i'm afraid to even put this out into the universe but @sunfan i want to hear your thoughts about a potential haku/freezin wolf team

genuinely think that the best thing to do there is try and find the third wolf first because

like I really don't think that we are killing haku or freezin today

idk if that's what you were asking or not

[botchi246]

Originally Posted by XelNya

This might be the one game where Lar voting theory may actually be golden then rofl

kinda funny you saying this, considering where your post count is at now XD

Originally Posted by XelNya

I kind of want to see ben or raeko flip

Not because of any particular thing, not even quite because I have any reason for it, but the nature of their interactions tickles the paranoia part of my brain and I can't articulate cleanly why

And they're not the only players to hit this right now

Like, another in game day will probably sort it out but the traded town reads feel a tangible arbitrary I cannot parse how i'd like to

funny that both of them were killed first night

Originally Posted by bugkid666

calculated is the word i'm looking for. ben's posts read as messy, scattered and at times contradictory but not calculated

Originally Posted by XelNya

I... feel like this is the quintessential reason you vote ben here, in a scenario where you're not kid-gloveing them for being rusty.

Like a wolf who is rusty imo isn't going to be able to solidly calculate their game presence to that degree.

i dont understand this reason to vote ben... are you saying being he is not playing calculatedly(??), thats worthy of a vote? or like because he would be a good flip because of the messy play??? like you are saying he is not a wolf, but that we should vote him anyway?

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anecdote about zenith comment on freezin:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Probably the best setup to roll wolf in tbh and one of the few I might actually want to be wolf more than town in. No blue roles to worry about is a lot of mental energy freed up and like Haku said, 10/3 ratio in a mountainous setup is wolf favored imo.

Sadly didn't roll wolf so will have some hard work to do later and not just performative busywork

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

this feels weird to read

wording just makes me feel like I'm supposed to be paying attention to something else than what I want to be seeing

idk how else to word it than the wording of this post makes me feel doubtful that freeze might've rolled town instead of wolf

i need to know zeniths feels now, this was like d0

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by botchi246

kinda funny you saying this, considering where your post count is at now XD

LMAO get his ass botchi

[ShadoWolfe]

just got done with a long and difficult day of getting audited
sorry for not being able to be on as much this phase
gonna drive home and catch my breath and I'll probably get caught up later tonight

[FreezinIce]

Holy crap zenith took a shot at me and I missed it but botchi caught it? Washed

[FreezinIce]

I am keeping up with the thread atm trying to to sort out stuff in my head. I will 100% use a computer before eod and make posts of actual substance so no need to worry about me not pulling my weight (maybe I'm just self conscious about all these big multi quote posts that I'm seeing)

[FreezinIce]

I feel like I'm not really talking to people directly much this game and that's when I feel the best about interactions. Most people arnt awake super late at night like I am. Maybe there's something I can do to fix that

Despite the fact that sunfan sounds like he is suffering and dying irl (get well soon sunfan!) he seems to be the most active in the thread and we've talked a bit already so I want to look somewhere else first.

Botchi u seemed to have some issues with me. Want to talk it out?