TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[Hateandhatred]

therefore mislynching a player with fewer interactions than ben had and no voting pattern is worse than mislynching ben who had been doing stuff with everyone and had way more actual opinions to track and look back to, regardless of what the flip was

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Gonna look into this harder but posting so everyone has it on hand since it could be useful

#post voter: voted - context

#115 sunfan: dbp - more of a meme vote, prompting him to "be townie"
#172 zenith: sunfan - definitely a meme vote
#208 sunfan: bugkid - seems unserious, but notes bugkid lacks audacity, potentially implying that their game is different from usual. Interestingly, the two people in their micro reads list were ben and raeko, pinning them both as town. In #209, there could be some foreshadowing with "please do not let this post age badly ", especially if sunfan is wolf, could be a weird flex explaining the NK
#211 freezin: ben - "cotton candy empty posts", which I agreed with at the time of this post
#241 freezin: unvote - No real context seemingly provided, so freezin, could you elaborate?
#242 haku: dbp - demanding pressure
#243 star: zenith - in response to a trend Zenith brought up. Star replied, verbatim: "I am pinged by this interaction because I think this is something that you could have held onto longer to watch for basically - we were less than halfway through d0 at that point. Which, makes me worry that the motivation for posting this now is to look good. "
#266 raeko: xel - interestingly following xel saying he'd like to see ben or raeko flip, which again are the two towns dead by d1, and this is coming from a known town now
#328 star: bugkid - Due to the reads early in the game on her and sunfan, considering too much information given. interestingly contradicts sunfan's context in #208
#342 ben: bugkid - frankly not sure how to interpret ben's reasoning for voting bugkid, no reason was given in the post, and ben says "still don't like that post from star", which I'm assuming is #328, so I think ben was basically agreeing with star there. haku had a similar confusion in #349, and doesn't look like ben ever clarified this. not that this matters too much, ben is proven town
#359 dbp: sunfan - specifically listed ben, sunfan and star as the wolf trio. Never elaborated, seems to be meme since he said later on "ok let me actually catch up
#368 ben: star - seems like a rhetorical vote flip in reference to being questioned on #342
#373 sunfan: star - followed bugkid (wanted to vote star in eod, as a sidenote)
#400 bugkid: star - didn't want to accidentally insta in a 15 players game with 2 votes on star, whatever, then adds that ben wasn't wolf (which we know to be true now)
#419 dbp: ben - seems like a meme vote in context (crazy at this stage of d0 but oh well)
#424 shado: freezin - mentions a wolf trio being freezin, raeko and zenith/sunfan. The other context provided in that post seems important to me, as it's a bit more strategy than reads: "I'm never voting star, backpack, or haku this phase, and by extension I'm following backpack's read on bug and not voting bug either. benguino and botchi and hateandhatred I know very little about and are pretty solidly null in my head despite a decent amount of AI content from benguin". A lot of regurgitating of previous points too, especially the "AI ben content" thing referring to #211, which was ironically from freezin
#479 sunfan: botchi - says that vibes with botchi are off and referencing a previous game. Surprised that he was followed into votes on star
#483 xel: ben - self admitted, non convinced vote parking
#525 raeko: star - would have preferred xel but felt nobody would follow her. Star failed her vibes check
#526 freezin: ben - contrarian vote
#559 sunfan: dbp - expresses not knowing who to vote and eliminates xel, bugkid, ben and star, says no one cares about a botchi vote, then lands on dbp
#563 shado: unvote - feels like freezin was being much more genuine in #557
#573 shado: ben - no context given (7 minutes to EOD)
#584 sunfan: botchi - was basically dared to do it to express confidence
#589 ben: botchi - follows sunfan, wants to live
#591 freezin: botchi - also follows sunfan
#593 hate: ben - wants to hit a target that would reveal more from interactions into d1
#603 sunfan: ben - begrudgingly votes ben while believing they are town

It kind of feels to me, like there is a division between the people who are actually caught up and people who are not, and I ... almost wish you guys who are not would be more helpful at figuring out who is being genuine with it since you relate to each other more probably?

The only analysis in this post that is kind of a new take to me is 400 (calling out bugkid re:worrying about insta) and 424 (shado agreeing with freezin re ben)

Here are some I guess amendments to these up to a certain point because I got bored after that

208 - "age badly" is referring to the fact that sun fan had unusually bad d0 reads in last game as town (it happens to everybody)

241 - he has already given more information on this multiple times (like including in the post shado is quoting in 563 I think)

266 - yeah that's kind of an important interaction in my opinion, that you do not seem to understand the context with, because Xel's accusation there was based on a false premise and then there was followup discussion about whether Xel's apology was AI

328 - I don't think there is a contradiction

342 - Ben wanted to vote me but there was no traction so went with bugkid, that is part of what got him sussed by DBP which you have miscategorised as a meme for some reason (359)

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

botchi mislynch????

oh no

[FreezinIce]

I know it's probably just hate being hate but you have to realize that is an absolutely disgusting series of posts you just made right?

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I dont remember that one, I got modkilled immediately

I am not trying to be an asshole since I think you are having a bad day and this is probably a fun conversation for you but... You have literally been gone the entire phase which has forced me to be awake at 2:47 AM in GMT+1 trying to decide if I am on the wrong track with you, and half your recent posts are off topic and I don't know if you are intentionally keeping a narrower focus so that if you flip we have less to go on.

senpai notice me trying to thunderdome you? /s

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I am not trying to be an asshole since I think you are having a bad day and this is probably a fun conversation for you but... You have literally been gone the entire phase which has forced me to be awake at 2:47 AM in GMT+1 trying to decide if I am on the wrong track with you, and half your recent posts are off topic and I don't know if you are intentionally keeping a narrower focus so that if you flip we have less to go on.

senpai notice me trying to thunderdome you? /s

ok fwiw I did not notice you were trying to thunderdome him

[the sun fan]

sven idk man
it...
can track what you've claimed your thought process was but like

idk
it doesn't look good

RARELY do slips occur, rarely, rarely
it is a really good philosophy to just almost always assume that they aren't real

this one might actually rise to the threshold level required, though
that looks extra awful

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

therefore mislynching a player with fewer interactions than ben had and no voting pattern is worse than mislynching ben who had been doing stuff with everyone and had way more actual opinions to track and look back to, regardless of what the flip was

I think this goes to show exactly why information lynching on D0 isn't the best strategy--- for one, it creates perverse incentives (e.g. better to do nothing than to do something, since doing nothing gives no information on your death, so wolves would be incentivized to slack off D0)

I think a better strategy is to engage with the game directly and extract the information you actually need, instead of relying exclusively on player death and mechanical information

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

senpai notice me trying to thunderdome you? /s

holy fucking shit
You can't just do that holy fuck this is funny

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

ok fwiw I did not notice you were trying to thunderdome him

I didn't either. You need to use more big red text and yelling

[the sun fan]

star is this your first thunderdome?
freezin is right, you gotta really throw down the gauntlet

tell the thread "sup nerds, its their wolf ass or my town ass on the line today" and remind everyone why you're trying to skin them alive

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I am not trying to be an asshole since I think you are having a bad day and this is probably a fun conversation for you but... You have literally been gone the entire phase which has forced me to be awake at 2:47 AM in GMT+1 trying to decide if I am on the wrong track with you, and half your recent posts are off topic and I don't know if you are intentionally keeping a narrower focus so that if you flip we have less to go on.

senpai notice me trying to thunderdome you? /s

oh sorry, I don't want to waste your time

I'm not going to thunderdome you, I dont think youre a wolf.

like, unless I literally HAVE to, but a thunderdome like that is senseless in my opinion since the only reason I would engage is out of self preservation

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

It kind of feels to me, like there is a division between the people who are actually caught up and people who are not, and I ... almost wish you guys who are not would be more helpful at figuring out who is being genuine with it since you relate to each other more probably?

The only analysis in this post that is kind of a new take to me is 400 (calling out bugkid re:worrying about insta) and 424 (shado agreeing with freezin re ben)

Here are some I guess amendments to these up to a certain point because I got bored after that

208 - "age badly" is referring to the fact that sun fan had unusually bad d0 reads in last game as town (it happens to everybody)

241 - he has already given more information on this multiple times (like including in the post shado is quoting in 563 I think)

266 - yeah that's kind of an important interaction in my opinion, that you do not seem to understand the context with, because Xel's accusation there was based on a false premise and then there was followup discussion about whether Xel's apology was AI

328 - I don't think there is a contradiction

342 - Ben wanted to vote me but there was no traction so went with bugkid, that is part of what got him sussed by DBP which you have miscategorised as a meme for some reason (359)

??? None of this is supposed to contain new information, I was trying to be as objective as possible. Granted I may have been slightly inaccurate/misunderstood context, but the purpose was to organize information based on voting patterns and considering revealed alignments. I held back on giving opinions on the list immediately because I wanted to keep it clean to discuss it without my bias in it

The next step for me is figuring out actual opinions on this, which is what I'm doing right now

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I know it's probably just hate being hate but you have to realize that is an absolutely disgusting series of posts you just made right?

Honestly I don't and frankly I don't give a fuck, I'm going to continue doing my thing for the rest of the phase lol

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

oh sorry, I don't want to waste your time

I'm not going to thunderdome you, I dont think youre a wolf.

like, unless I literally HAVE to, but a thunderdome like that is senseless in my opinion since the only reason I would engage is out of self preservation

thunderdome gambit, declined variation

I gotta focus man I really got the sillies, I'm so fucking tired dude

this is such a funny post to me even though it isn't funny in a vacuum

[XelNya]

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

thunderdome gambit, declined variation

I gotta focus man I really got the sillies, I'm so fucking tired dude

this is such a funny post to me even though it isn't funny in a vacuum

idk man, why would I lock myself into a vote i dont believe in?

[FreezinIce]

I think if I tried to thunderdome someone and I got that response I would be devastated

[the sun fan]

sven, I'm gonna level with your joual-speaking ass

we're an hour away from the phase end, we broke that penguin's neck with a rope because of infolynches, and you haven't given us a single piece of info on what the info from the interactions means to you

like... that's what I've been waiting for from you since even before this phase started

hop to, lad I'm not even at a semi here

[star-crossed]

I mean, I /WAS/ trying to thunderdome him at the start of the day phase and then he was afk for like 40 hours and basically just handwaved all concerns as "I hope you guys see what I was trying to do" (I DO NOT) (there are you happy? i am maximum cringe right now i am so sorry)

it's quite good analysis of zenith
it's not enough in and of itself
i actually don't even what the conclusion is there, kind of null wolf lean?

is dbp even voting anybody?
what is happening?

slip theory??

[the sun fan]

dabackpack
i'm losing my spot on the zenith wagon to help star out here

if not a thunderdome, engage with her
she has thrown down the gauntlet all the same