TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

zenith I might need you to explain the misspeak (your wording) more clearly

#676 and #685 have very different lines of thought to me

like I guess I'm more curious at this point what the heck you were talking about
idk that I can reasonably conclude it is scummy, I just don't know what you mean, but in case I can conclude something from it (and because it'll bug me until you do)
please try to explain further

also if u could like
explain why u keep voting me beyond "vengeance"
that'd be rad

doesn't Nagito have a thing against vengeance? no one fact check this

[the sun fan]

this is a shower thought
I wonder if the reason why this game has felt hard and more cloudy (not knowing who top town is) is because FFR hasn't had a 13 player game in a while

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Nah, I fully intended to mention a PR in a PR-less game.



............



Clearly fucking misspoke the wrong term/word there.

Sidenote: my work day is a bit rough so i'll be scarce till i'm home.

I'd like to jump on the ship of critiquing you for it but I feel I don't get to. For obvious reasons, and that contextually I understand your intention / would use it for lack of a more fronted term.

Also I recall tunneling you a lot, and am trying to not.

Dbps reentry is jarringly bad, and I think sunfan is a tad lost in his feels over it

I cannot perscribe a reason as to why [dbp] specifically would find a reason to be that kind of theatrical, but im open to being wrong here

Star's long post is good, and am already having the similar vibe I got yesterday on it

Botchi self explaining playstyle is null but I get where they're coming from.

Am a bit iffy elsewhere, but my time's a bit limited so these are more flowing thoughts than solid ones

[the sun fan]

I'm isoing star
star probably genuinely predicted the entire phase in the last paragraph of post #43

if one of freezin/shado ends up being a wolf, I'm kind of in awe of how right star would have been for it.

our good times turned to bad, like

star
you weren't even here
how the fuck did you know
I'm genuinely mixed up over this

[_Zenith_]

So looking through Raeko's iso:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I secretly want to vote someone in the bottom 5 posters at EoD just because it would be so easy to coast this game and wait for town to self-destruct.

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

Don't like this post nope nope nope

Checked around a couple pages around these two posts and believe this is the only direct comment on what Haku said here, and rereading it, it's crazy it is the only comment about that post. It's beyond an anti-town mindset from the very beginning; an immediate outed distrust in town, and Raeko is the only one to have apparently noticed this (I didn't even notice this, clearly).

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

huh?? Am I missing something? AFAIK the only direct interaction I've had with Ben was at the beginning of the game talking about floats... where did I town read him?? And you want to see my flip because of this phantom interaction????

I really don't understand this post at all and tbh the vibes are off Xel plz explain yourself

This is Raeko's first vote, and it's because Xel stated he wanted to see either Ben or Raeko flip (awfully coincidental we now have both of these flips) for reasons he couldn't articulate at the time. Why I'm noting this particular quote here is because I'm actually confused about her game plan during this interaction. She was asked about committing to suspicion against Haku for the aformentioned quotes/posts, answered with she was in fact suspicious of him due to his posts, but did not vote him during the interim between both interactions. It feels a bit odd, but it also tells me that she thought what Xel said was worse than Haku's sabotaging thoughts. [Post-Edit] Seems like Star had commented on why Raeko didn't vote during the interim either and it's like I thought, she did think whatever Xel said and felt was way worse than Haku's earlier posts. Xel and Raeko also did later discuss this interaction a little and he was able to convey what he couldn't articulate earlier, but she still doesn't move her vote until later.

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I just want to give bug more time to play, they've been busy and if they are a wolf it'll be their first time and I'm sure they will flounder at some point later during the game

Was an insane amount of trust to put into the game during d0. To me this puts a giant sign over bug's iso saying "READ ME".

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I still don't feel great about Xel, even though he backtracked right away his accusation against me/ben seems like the sort of mistake a wolf would make when trying to connect players from the player list and grasping onto interactions. It's possible Xel truly misremembered but idk I gotta think about what is more likely and I think it's slightly more toward wolf

STILL didn't move vote at the point of this post, but it is good insight on where her mind was at and just like above with bug, it makes me feel like Xel's worth the iso time too. I also feel it's worth it for me to spend my energy continuing where Raeko left off; operating on my meta read she was my lock town in my circle and during this iso I'm actually seeing some of what she was seeing and feeling like her suspicions have some weight to them.

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I would prefer Star over Ben and Botchi is still too neutral for me to make a decision on

Xel or Star would be my top 2 picks for today but it doesn't seem like anybody else is down for Xel

Okay so by this point, she's still voting for Xel, and now we know her lynch pool and her order of importance. I feel like by this point in the game, she's conceded the thought of Haku being suspicious and has explained it by Haku doing Haku and moved on from that.

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I can kinda see what you're saying about Botchi's energy vs last game but I think last game was also a unique situation, he was replacing into a slank slot and had an incentive to revitalize the game. But I do see what you're saying there is a difference

my third pick is probably backpack but I think that's a bad idea in terms of flip/info and also it's mainly due to my paranoia. If Backpack was a different player but saying the exact same things I probably wouldn't want to kill him so that tells me probably don't do that (at least right now)

So it's between Xel/Star/DBP. This was just under an hour before EoD.

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

if nobody is down to go for Xel I will switch my vote to Star

I just don't feel the towniness that I would expect from Star, I got weird vibes from a few posts and I want to trust my initial feelings without overthinking things too hard

And this is where she finally swaps her Xel vote because at this point the vote is between Star and Benguin, but it seemed like she was taking her Xel suspicion to the grave so that's going to be an iso sesh. Firstly though, I will be iso'ing Haku first.

[the sun fan]

star I think something broke in your attempted formatting of #243
what are you trying to say on shado and hatred

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

zenith I might need you to explain the misspeak (your wording) more clearly

#676 and #685 have very different lines of thought to me

like I guess I'm more curious at this point what the heck you were talking about
idk that I can reasonably conclude it is scummy, I just don't know what you mean, but in case I can conclude something from it (and because it'll bug me until you do)
please try to explain further

also if u could like
explain why u keep voting me beyond "vengeance"
that'd be rad

doesn't Nagito have a thing against vengeance? no one fact check this

I never meant to type PR in my post there, mentally as I was typing that I was racking my brain on why raeko would die there and I asked myself if I missed a soft somewhere and I want to say that's why I had PR on the mind.

In hindsight there's a gaping hole in my foot, but I'll take it in stride as it's not going to stop me from solving and continuing forward lol.

Vengeance is a fancy word for not knowing who to vote because all I did was basically focus on building a town circle last phase so I don't have any concrete wolf feelings (though, after Iso'ing Raeko I am now suspicious) and I still need my lick back for your play against me last game. Hold that vote homie
not anymore tho I need my vote

[_Zenith_]

TL;DR for people who are skimming and miss my raeko iso:

Xel looks a little sus but also looks like a potential frame
Haku looks dummy sus

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Sidenote: my work day is a bit rough so i'll be scarce till i'm home.

I'd like to jump on the ship of critiquing you for it but I feel I don't get to. For obvious reasons, and that contextually I understand your intention / would use it for lack of a more fronted term.

In hindsight I should've taken the extra minute to reread what I had typed before shipping it, but I was really just thinking too hard about why she died, and sunfan explained it well earlier but it's more than likely just a bad way to spend my time here

Also bear in mind again she was my #1 town and losing that d1 kinda blows.

[the sun fan]

do you recall any instance where a wolf team (that did not involve you) performed a nightkill in order to frame someone, zenith?

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

who is the most universally townread
I'm not sure I know the answer to that question

not sure I do either, but I don't think it's raeko? like reading her flip felt weird but in retrospect I guess the field was muddier than I thought

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I never meant to type PR in my post there, mentally as I was typing that I was racking my brain on why raeko would die there and I asked myself if I missed a soft somewhere and I want to say that's why I had PR on the mind.

In hindsight there's a gaping hole in my foot, but I'll take it in stride as it's not going to stop me from solving and continuing forward lol.

Vengeance is a fancy word for not knowing who to vote because all I did was basically focus on building a town circle last phase so I don't have any concrete wolf feelings (though, after Iso'ing Raeko I am now suspicious) and I still need my lick back for your play against me last game. Hold that vote homie
not anymore tho I need my vote

apologiezs but

why would there be a soft performed by raeko?
did you just forget that this a mountainous setup with no prs?
I'm really not following

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I never meant to type PR in my post there, mentally as I was typing that I was racking my brain on why raeko would die there and I asked myself if I missed a soft somewhere and I want to say that's why I had PR on the mind.

In hindsight there's a gaping hole in my foot, but I'll take it in stride as it's not going to stop me from solving and continuing forward lol.

Vengeance is a fancy word for not knowing who to vote because all I did was basically focus on building a town circle last phase so I don't have any concrete wolf feelings (though, after Iso'ing Raeko I am now suspicious) and I still need my lick back for your play against me last game. Hold that vote homie
not anymore tho I need my vote

also wait why would you say what you said about "those who trust sunfan this EOD will be scrutinized" when you were only voting me because you don't know who to vote???

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

also wait why would you say what you said about "those who trust sunfan this EOD will be scrutinized" when you were only voting me because you don't know who to vote???

I havnt seen cartoon villainy this blatant since that game where tforce tried to hammer himself.

[FreezinIce]

Maybe this is a new age old Haku tier meltdown

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

anyone trusting sunfan right now will be scrutinized come next phase

yeah like
this does not square at all with
"I voted u cuz idk I was just building a town circle"
Zenith
???

[FreezinIce]

Sorry to leave it at just that but I really should sleep. I'll be back later, hopefully by then DBP has said something I can read and zenith explained....whatever the heck this mental block he's having is about involving imaginary PRs in this setup

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I deeply regret staying on star for as long as I did. I really didn't think about it at the time, but I needed to really make a more solid push after getting off of her. It didn't burn down Hollywood, but it killed Ben instead, I think that's part of how that domino effect occurred. Maybe Ben was fated to die anyways, it is a what if.

I tried to talk to you about this in advance. It was D0 and trying to condense reads and build worlds is tough with that little information, so I understood where town!sunfan would push/vote/stay on Star to see how wolves would react and form a mock wagon, but it went on longer than it should've and ended up in exactly the mess that I think could've been avoided had town had more time to coalesce. With that said, I don't think you're to blame for the ben mislynch, at least no more to blame than any of us. I felt in EoD as though votes were in suspended motion and that I could've pushed it in a different direction had I tried, but I felt like there weren't any good options. My clearest scumread was Freezin but he made a post towards the end of the day that I felt came from genuine town!Freezin, so that went out the window for the phase. I felt and still feel that star is town, so that wasn't an option either, and I didn't like the idea of botchi because I didn't agree with your read on him and was wary of letting you misdirect off of the likeliest scum!sunfan partner. I didn't feel ben was scummy either, so the whole thing was honestly a bit painful start to finish

[the sun fan]

I was ISOing star
I... still have some reservations, but her posts at the start of this phase are what I was looking for, at least thus far.

Her consistency on Haku makes sense (like she stuck with her reason on townreading haku in a way that I think is townie)

none of that really matters as much to me as the fact that she predicted the future in a way that I think I am forced to call townie, later claimed to be able to predict the future, and then entered today with "what did I fucking say???"

genuinely aura, and it has to be somewhat townie

but the vibes are still... off
I wanna talk more with her whenever the opportunity arises, I guess

anyways

Freezin is starting to feel like my sidekick now, maybe this is what Ben felt
I don't know that my thought is expanded beyond this one

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I tried to talk to you about this in advance. It was D0 and trying to condense reads and build worlds is tough with that little information, so I understood where town!sunfan would push/vote/stay on Star to see how wolves would react and form a mock wagon, but it went on longer than it should've and ended up in exactly the mess that I think could've been avoided had town had more time to coalesce. With that said, I don't think you're to blame for the ben mislynch, at least no more to blame than any of us. I felt in EoD as though votes were in suspended motion and that I could've pushed it in a different direction had I tried, but I felt like there weren't any good options. My clearest scumread was Freezin but he made a post towards the end of the day that I felt came from genuine town!Freezin, so that went out the window for the phase. I felt and still feel that star is town, so that wasn't an option either, and I didn't like the idea of botchi because I didn't agree with your read on him and was wary of letting you misdirect off of the likeliest scum!sunfan partner. I didn't feel ben was scummy either, so the whole thing was honestly a bit painful start to finish

idk that this will help anyone, but I've reached the same conclusion
I certainly didn't tie the noose around ben's neck, but I definitely contributed to the circumstances that led to his death

I... don't think that I follow with the ben thing about him being my likeliest partner

kinda what star said, I think that our interactions, especially his wariness around me indicated we were probably pretty unlikely to be together

I'm only thinking about it now, but I'm not sure I think that that line of thought makes much sense to me