TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[mellon_collie]

I'm currently watching anime with an anime club dangit I'll be in the thread on/off will definitely be here for EOD though

[the sun fan]

Where is shadowolfe i miss him

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by benguino

I still don't like that one post from star, and I'm still not entirely convinced regarding their reasoning for it. But, I do think that in the event they are town, the way that they've been approaching the game and interacting with players are likely to create a good amount of information, so I'm hesitant to vote them out. Plus, there is basically zero traction on getting them voted out right now.

1) "I am announcing my distaste of Star's post because I'm not convinced by their reasoning."
2) "However, if I'm wrong, they will be helpful for town."
3) "Even if I tried voting for them, nobody else would."

This is textbook distancing. "If Star flips red later, I want plausible deniability. But I actually don't want them dead. I want to have my cake and eat it too."

My perspective is: why do you think there is basically zero traction on getting them voted out now? Is this a reason for you to just give up the lead, because you don't think anyone will follow you? Isn't your job to try to convince people that you're correct? And to MAKE traction?

And then you follow up with a vote on bugkid, someone not here? It feels like just placing a vote down just to have a vote down

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

thoughts after page 10: sunfan ben and dbp feel towny to me

i feel really good about haku which might mean he's pocketing me and that scares me

That's funny, I feel the same about star.

[the sun fan]

Btw I genuinely encourage votes on star
I wanna see who thinks they're big enough for it
Dont follow if you dont have worries

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Sorry to spit on your reads so soon but you have to see it too right? Ben is just doing the vaguely helpful volume posting schtick without actually saying anything

As a general rule if I read your posts and by the end I have to ask myself what the heck were you even trying to say, that's a bad sign

this is how i feel about every single one of star's posts so i feel like this would be a bad metric for me personally. that being said, i disagree about ben but understand your reasoning.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I am sorry you rolled wolf again Mr Backpack

this is actually an incredibly interesting reading of dbp saying "i am dead inside" because he fucking hates playing wolf and will ignore thread if he is. however i don't think he's dumb enough to give that big of a tell if so. still thought i'd point it out

[Hakulyte]

DBP calling out an entire team Day 0 to me seems on the same level as me doing pairing in games and getting nowhere.

Of course, I'm not DBP so, it's fine if you guys read it differently, but yeah.

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

1) "I am announcing my distaste of Star's post because I'm not convinced by their reasoning."
2) "However, if I'm wrong, they will be helpful for town."
3) "Even if I tried voting for them, nobody else would."

This is textbook distancing. "If Star flips red later, I want plausible deniability. But I actually don't want them dead. I want to have my cake and eat it too."

My perspective is: why do you think there is basically zero traction on getting them voted out now? Is this a reason for you to just give up the lead, because you don't think anyone will follow you? Isn't your job to try to convince people that you're correct? And to MAKE traction?

And then you follow up with a vote on bugkid, someone not here? It feels like just placing a vote down just to have a vote down

I agree with your analysis of this post but I wish you were around more earlier ;_; you coming in close-ish to EOD and making a good case, then bouncing really scares me

[DaBackpack]

fuck it we ball, I'll call out tonight

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I agree with your analysis of this post but I wish you were around more earlier ;_; you coming in close-ish to EOD and making a good case, then bouncing really scares me

I changed my mind, I'm staying, Limbus sucks anyway

[mellon_collie]

I still don't feel great about Xel, even though he backtracked right away his accusation against me/ben seems like the sort of mistake a wolf would make when trying to connect players from the player list and grasping onto interactions. It's possible Xel truly misremembered but idk I gotta think about what is more likely and I think it's slightly more toward wolf

[mellon_collie]

I also don't hate going for Star

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I changed my mind, I'm staying, Limbus sucks anyway

woot woot hell yea

[the sun fan]

Dbp, if you're a wolf, I know exactly what you're doing
And I worry that you are
Glad to see you'll be here longer

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Or maybe it's the return of sLiP tHeRoY

get this shit out of my face

that being said i intend to vote star but don't want to yet bc wifi is slow and i don't want to accidentally insta

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I still don't feel great about Xel, even though he backtracked right away his accusation against me/ben seems like the sort of mistake a wolf would make when trying to connect players from the player list and grasping onto interactions. It's possible Xel truly misremembered but idk I gotta think about what is more likely and I think it's slightly more toward wolf

Kinda curious if Xel will come back to vote someone and where he's at. The iso alone doesn't help me enough to decide where to be at for him.

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I went into this game essentially with a debuff to voting freezin on d0 which I know is bad and I know I shouldn't do but
this feels like his game and I don't want to nuke him d0, in his words, so that he actually feels marginally warmed up

fwiw I think his read on ben was bad; I kept expecting to encounter more posts from Ben that I could imagine freezin strongly townreading, but I didn't find them and I don't understand his progression

anyways I agree but it is for a stupid, ridiculous reason that I shouldn't have but do

@freezin if u start a dumbass thunderdome today, none of this applies!!! for real!!! not bluffing don't do it!!!

Going to address this before I forget, about the part near the end regarding my town read on Ben.

I feel kind of bad that you went thru bens posts trying to find stuff I liked, my 2nd read on him was an exaggeration same as the first, except in the other direction. It's public knowledge that i only read his posts since I came back and skipped everything before, that's not enough to substantiate a read with that strong of wording. Truthfully I found you defending him to be kind of weird but didn't have time to dig deeper about it (your allusion to some outside circumstances didn't really do much for me since I didn't know where to even look to find more info about that)

DBP post was like hitting a tuning fork, made me think about that entire interaction more which caused me to remember this post.

I guess me typing this up was trying to sort through how I felt about the whole thing.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I just want to give bug more time to play, they've been busy and if they are a wolf it'll be their first time and I'm sure they will flounder at some point later during the game

if i was a wolf i'd make this my sig quote

[Hakulyte]

@H&H

If you come back, what do you think of DBP's play here?

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

This is a very smelly post.

I was sort of agreeing, and am skimming through them interacting now, and tbh the earlier interactions with them around star's mechanics post early game make this less of a surprise than I was feeling it was.

ex:

Originally Posted by benguino

Regarding the 2nd paragraph, that also got me thinking of how the lack of blue roles might effect wolves (aside from the obvious). I guess one thing is that wolves won't need to dedicate any brain power or mental energy to trying to figure out who the blue roles are. Whether or not translates to wolves being able to better blend in or perform better, I'm thinking it might help a bit, but the degree or amount it would help I'm not sure.

I'm not sure what to make of the 4th paragraph. I'm confused on the "make information" bit and what that is supposed to entail, especially in a vanilla game where information is limited.

But... like I said earlier in the game, that I'd felt star was being majority town read, and it was sort of based strongly in the response to the early game discussion on the mechanics / other interactions, such as this one:

Originally Posted by star-crossed

If you want to know a bit more where my head is with that. I think you, Freezin, Ben and sun fan are who I have categorised as possibly having posted things that I might be able to properly take something from.

sun fan was posting in a way that is good for advancing the plot which I appreciate, but I am actually not sure if it is a good thing for his alignment. He did place some minor pressure without placing a vote.

Ben is a little more engaged than I expected. Fairly neutral on it for now, but it gave me hope for getting an actual read there today.

Freezin, there is kind of a blunt off the cuffness about his way of interacting so far that I think is a slightly good first impression.

Currently I buy your behaviour as someone who doesn't have information and needs it more than someone who is trying to look like it. Like, you are maybe down to 20% wolf from 25% at the minute?

I had multiple goals with talking about what it entails that this is a vanilla game. Partly it is just that, I don't really see a downside in this game if people talk about how they literally feel about their own role pm and their level of um, morale and nihilism, because there are no blue roles. It may or may not get me to a correct lean on anybody, but it is more likely for me than if they talk about floats.

Originally Posted by bugkid666

star / sunfan interactions feel t/t to me. star going extremely hard out the gate feels typical to me but the focus on mechanics could be slightly out of character. could be copium because i've gotten called out for focusing on mechanics d0 before lol

My own conjecture:

Originally Posted by XelNya

Someone refresh me on something though

does star do the "extremely engaged" thing either alignment

like stars posts are like "hi welcome, but anyways, we have a world to conquer, and if we focus resources here..." flow to it

Where the answer was sort of "probably" but reading into more:

Shadowwolf

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I thought this post felt hollow when I first read it, but coming back to it makes me like it more. I think I can see a stream of consciousness here where before it just seemed contrived

@star, how can town be "radically honest" with each other?
also, why would wolves "tell those unfortunate townies who don't already have the answers why they are probably wrong about what they are wrong about" instead of helping them double down on their mistakes, and what makes that in any way different than a regular game?

Her response was good, and in the interest of time / I feel most of the rest of her game falls into this pile where I feel a flow post stopping on page eight or so for me is fine, but if you skim the rest, you'll find she's been trying to at least advance the game state which is.. better than even I've spent the game doing, so I feel obligated to take the stance: the star wagon feels... bad to me.

Like, I feel there's a scenario where flipping star is actionably correct for starting to hunt wagons tomorrow, but that's just not how the push is being framed / it'd be maybe a bit harsh / early for this course of action.

Maybe I've fucked it twice in one day

[bugkid666]

star nevermind i'm not gonna insta i forgot how many fuckin people there are in this game. personally i just need star solved because i've been having some weird thoughts about their posts that i don't usually have. i actually don't disagree that sunfan could be a wolf. i think it's unlikely raeko ben or zenith are wolves.

i get what everyone is saying about ben, i can even see it. but in all honesty it just reads too messy to be crafted by a wolf. reads way more to me like someone who hasn't played in a while, who is playing with some people they have either never played with or haven't in many years. i guess they just don't read scummy to me, just frazzled.