TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

[leetic]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I disagree with leetic's read on me/raeko, of course

This is meaningless. Of course you're gonna "disagree" with my wolfread on you. However, raeko's interactions with your slot are something you should still be cognizant of, give me actual examples of how what she's doing isn't wolfy (I don't want crap like "if she was wolfy I'd notice")

[Arp!]

leaving again but i'll agree that a sleep vote has merit if we can't confidently knock out a wolf within the next couple of hours

[roundbox]

honestly, I'm not gonna lie, sleeping would be fantastic for me
I will have significantly more time to play on saturday

if the math checks out, honestly I would appreciate it if we could make it to saturday

[the sun fan]

What leetic said about sleep is true
TOWN DOES NOT LOSE A KILL BY SLEEPING
otherwise, I would literally never, ever even vaguely consider it
Doesnt even matter if wolves delay the kill
Im not even lying when I say that I dont know whether or not wolves should delay the kill or not if we sleep
Not for me to decide

In this wacky freezinice game, sleeping might have some very genuine merit here

[roundbox]

I don't know if I agree with Botchi's take on lar's sticking-to-guns mentality for his post on voting Nakah 99.9%
I am legitimately trying to read raeko, but it's hard. I think her thread presence has been really good for her, but sometimes I feel she does that more as a wolf and is much more likely to forget about the game. I don't know if she's pocketing me with some of my reads, but she's not been spicy enough for me to fully convinced she's town. I'm doing my best to be impartial.

as for the request of top and bottom 2:

do not touch: sunfan, lar
maybe vote: arp leetic in no particular order, and even then, leetic is just POE at this point and I don't feel as strong on it
arp is partially regret for not going yesterday. I don't want to unfairly pressure arp, though

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I am legitimately trying to read raeko, but it's hard. I think her thread presence has been really good for her, but sometimes I feel she does that more as a wolf and is much more likely to forget about the game. I don't know if she's pocketing me with some of my reads, but she's not been spicy enough for me to fully convinced she's town. I'm doing my best to be impartial.

why would my thread presence be better when I'm more likely to forget about the game? and why would that happen more often when I'm wolf?? huh

[MixMasterLar]

I walk away to eat and come back and you guys are seriously consider sleeping?

If the wolf delays the kill then we will literally be right where we are now in our decision. I get maybe Roundbox would benefit from the extra time and be able to contribute more but for most of you what else ae you waiting for

I'm going to take a shower don't anybody start fake claiming wolf next fucking Gnosia style while I'm gone

[leetic]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I walk away to eat and come back and you guys are seriously consider sleeping?

If the wolf delays the kill then we will literally be right where we are now in our decision. I get maybe Roundbox would benefit from the extra time and be able to contribute more but for most of you what else ae you waiting for

I'm going to take a shower don't anybody start fake claiming wolf next fucking Gnosia style while I'm gone

Resolving the poison and potentially getting seer results are both key benefits of a sleep scenario regardless of whether wolves delay their kill

[botchi246]

i say we go with Arp!

[the sun fan]

WHY TOWN ALWAYS VOTES TO SLEEP HERE

Hello, today I have several bits of important talking points. I have even more that I might decide to make later.

1) This setup is BANANAS. There are 5 town, 2 wolves, but 2 of those town are SPECIAL ROLES. One of those special roles can kill people, which can take place of this day's lynch WITHOUT HARMING THE NUMBER OF KILLS TOWN CAN GET aside from a weird, super stretch world where the vigi gets a 2nd shot (frankly, that part of the role feels balanced around a larger setup than 9, which I know freezin was praying for, but we did not get) AND that world still gets an extra kill if the poisoner targeted a wolf

2) TWO SPECIAL ROLES in the remainder is a low, low number that the wolves will find difficult to overcome. I KNOW that wolves fucked up last night by giving me a fruit, like I know only I know that, but I know that they really screwed themselves with that one (or I'm pretending 000o0o0o0o0o0o)

3) Wolves delaying their kill has upside for town (and downside, I won't even pretend, but the upside is good). IF wolves delay their kill tonight, the seer is guaranteed to be alive tomorrow, with more favorable numbers for town, and possibly some results.

4) The seer cannot be roleblocked tonight, unless I am the seer. What about it wolves? Am I proposing sleep this hard as WIFOM when I am the seer?

5) We can actually coordinate actions with the seer/vigi INSTEAD OF NOT DOING IT LIKE THE BIG DUM-DUMS THAT WE WERE LAST PHASE. Seer can be directed to look tonight specifically into people who the vigi almost certainly didn't attempt to poison last night. In some worlds, a vigi can claim and even claim their shot, and the seer can plan around that too.

6) The poison might be about to get another shot.

7) We have a 0% chance of outing the seer via lynch pressure if we sleep.

these are just what I have so far, I have some more that I will probably break out later

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

If the wolf delays the kill then we will literally be right where we are now in our decision.

I do not see how this can possibly be the case

[the sun fan]

god fuck if this goes to saturday I'm NOT HAPPY
wolves
KILL ME TONIGHT I AM DEFINITELY A GOOD NIGHTKILL PLEASE IGNORE ANYTHING YOU SEE TO THE CONTRARY OR THAT YOU ALREADY ROLEBLOCKED ME TONIGHT

[roundbox]

raeko, I think I worded it wrong. You're more likely to forget about the thread as villager. I don't know if you're at that level yet

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by botchi246

i say we go with Arp!

have you heard of this mechanic called sleep

[botchi246]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

have you heard of this mechanic called sleep

i read about it and i see your reasoning, but i think we just get the wolf gone.


not gonna drop the vote just yet however

[the sun fan]

btw for people talking about hopecaster potentially being a randomly-made nightkill earlier
it can't be, at least not without me being a wolf and lying about getting a fruit, I guess

anyways idk how helpful this is

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by botchi246

i say we go with Arp!

ok but u did drop the vote tho

[FreezinIce]

Votecount votecount

leetic (1): Thesunfan
Arp! (1): Botchi

Unvote: MML

Not voting: mellon, Roundbox, leetic

Day ends in 1.75 hours.

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A reminder for how sleeping works:

To vote to sleep, it needs to be voted for like a player would be (Example: sleep).
For sleep to win, it must constitute OVER 50% of CURRENTLY CAST votes.

For example, if at the end of the day, 5 players are voting and 1 does not cast a vote, if 3 players vote for sleep, it will win. If all 6 were voting however, it would lose. Sleep can NEVER cause a kitb and will always lose in any case where ties would occur (I'm pretty sure those situations are impossible but it bears repeating just in case)

[the sun fan]

I'd like an official tally

WHO HERE WOULD VOTE FOR SLEEP

I don't even need a "I am definitely going to vote for sleep"

I'm just asking an "I see the merits of sleep and could consider voting for it"

[botchi246]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

ok but u did drop the vote tho

you know what i meant