TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Sunfan I am almost impressed with the sheer amount of tinfoil you have wrapped about you my friend

[MixMasterLar]

https://www.flashflashrevolution.com...rchid=30842575


Sigh I suppose this is kind of hard to defend. His one big stance is that he would vote Raeko or Leetic but his reasoning for Raeko is pretty weak.

Also that last response

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Like, I can't even vote you because I respect the effort put into this hat, and even if I did, I wouldn't agree with it because it's one of the only few threads the game has moving forward w/ it.

Isn't the town Zenith I remember. He was much more aggro then that.

I just don't know if I'm convinced that my gut is wrong yet, like my gut tells me this isn't it

[Arp!]

hi i'm back from dinner!

Originally Posted by leetic

Arp's ISO also feels pretty empty

Originally Posted by the sun fan

arp- essentially stands accused of the high crime of not being townie. In previous games, arp has rolled town in all of them, and been essentially universally townread in all of them. arps insightful questions/conclusions (more questions) have made them stand out as someone wolves have identified as a priority nightkill. This is completely, completely lacking from the current game and I have been surprised that no one else has commented on it. #176 feels kind of awkwardly logic'd (this is a verb, don't check me on it), even, because my reasoning hasn't universally made sense to anyone, and it is somewhat contradicted later in the same post when arp says that my reasoning is suspicious on zenith.

i agree that i could've been a bit more thorough with my reasoning. a lot of what i said was based on vibes and the info i was able to keep in my brain after reading through everything a few times (and, this isn't as strong of an argument i'm aware, but i'm getting back into the swing of things! this is my first game in almost two years)
but! i remembered agreeing with a great deal of your posts, particularly in the conversation with leetic towards the start and the fact that you agreed with lar's initial read list
aaand i couldn't really comment on your reasoning about zenith because you hadn't revealed anything yet! i just felt weird about the assertion that you figured out zenith and the refusal to elaborate
(looking at it now i can say that your reasoning does indeed make sense, but i'm not entirely sold on it)

Originally Posted by the sun fan

why is a vote for raeko a bit much at this juncture? voting is how we best grease the wheels of the game is my premise for asking this question

i suppose it's not entirely unreasonable! if lar's intent by voting was to spur discussion and keep the game moving then i don't see a problem with that necessarily, but i was worried it would be a genuine long-lasting vote based on evidence i felt was insufficient for reaching a conclusion. as impermanent as votes are in this game i probably shouldn't have made a big deal about it, though

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Ok I remember this



Like maybe 75% and it's kind of gone down since she's a little less active, so I guess not "pretty serious"

I'm leaving a Raeko vote on the table but it wouldn't be for that

ah, ok, I remember reading this now, I just got distracted by the other stuff instead, apologies

I... don't get it? I don't think this is a read I would've ever expect you to have? Like what does "too active" mean to the man who is demanding of activity in the greatest amount other than me, sometimes even ahead of me.

It makes no sense to me

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I first heard that album when visiting Nestlekwik and Neko in Ohio and have some really fun memories attached to it

I miss them. Neko ended up cutting me out of her life over politics

Looking back, she was 100% in the right on what she was saying though

[the sun fan]

I am giving leetic credit for starting the thread contributions, I admit that they have lessened since, but I don't really care a ton

I more think they were more substantial at the time I started making that post than anything else

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

ah, ok, I remember reading this now, I just got distracted by the other stuff instead, apologies

I... don't get it? I don't think this is a read I would've ever expect you to have? Like what does "too active" mean to the man who is demanding of activity in the greatest amount other than me, sometimes even ahead of me.

It makes no sense to me

It's kind of the same hesitation I have when someone randomly starts to agree lynching inactives is actually totally cool, man: That it's done with ulterior motives

Does that make total sense with activity? No. But my thought was "Oh, town Raeko normally finds d0 boring. Here's a legit boring ass 12 hours/2 page game and she's all over it. What's got her interest?"

I've cooled off on this take because A Gut B She's probably just desperate to play something after a year and C she did end up seemingly getting bored of the rest of the phase.

[MixMasterLar]

Roundbox is that you at the bottom of the page?

[_Zenith_]

Maybe if I summarize just how absurd Sunfan's accusation is against me it'll make it easier to understand it has just as much weight to it as if we went for Nakah here:

>I say hey what up hello, be back later
>later is a little longer than I had hoped
>Sunfan becomes convinced that the reason it took me later is that my wolf partner alerted me that later was in fact too late
>Sunfan has not made it known that he has thought of any other world scenario outside of this one (in fact, believe he said this is the only world he sees)

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

>Sunfan has not made it known that he has thought of any other world scenario outside of this one (in fact, believe he said this is the only world he sees)

He's tinfoiling on me now if that makes you feel better

But hey, later is now; any more thoughts?

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Maybe if I summarize just how absurd Sunfan's accusation is against me it'll make it easier to understand it has just as much weight to it as if we went for Nakah here:

>I say hey what up hello, be back later
>later is a little longer than I had hoped
>Sunfan becomes convinced that the reason it took me later is that my wolf partner alerted me that later was in fact too late
>Sunfan has not made it known that he has thought of any other world scenario outside of this one (in fact, believe he said this is the only world he sees)

close!

first two, sure

but the third, I become convinced that the reason you didn't post after coming back (or, indeed, before then) was because you had already been alerted to the fact that there was an extension

for the fourth, I have, I do think I had a post where I was "being coy" and mentioned that there were other worlds, but that I thought this was the most likely one by a lot. I can see why it wouldn't have really stuck, and I don't ding you for that at all, or really this post at all

I definitely grant you it is a hard accusation to respond to, I'm not sure what I would do in your shoes

I guess do some other stuff to show me that I'm a tinfoiling idiot who made a laughably wrong assumption and I think I can get there

[_Zenith_]

Committing on that makes it difficult to navigate at least for me, because t!Sunfan doesn't gain much outside of my flip which is at best a jumping point for him to move forward w/ game solving, but it certainly doesn't make him strong town or anything close to cleared. w!Sunfan gains nothing from doing this other than unnecessary attention, a step closer to parity that still just makes him look bad is the most I can think of about salvaging anything worth value to your team given the hypothetical. The logic of a case simply doesn't exist here, and it's the commitment that's the problem w/ solving.

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I first heard that album when visiting Nestlekwik and Neko in Ohio and have some really fun memories attached to it

I miss them. Neko ended up cutting me out of her life over politics

Looking back, she was 100% in the right on what she was saying though

damn those names are a blast from the past

I miss internet meetups ;_;

I'm playing board games atm but still should be able to be around, am a wee bit distracted though but I'll be done well before EOD

I'm leaning toward Leetic atm

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

He's tinfoiling on me now

not as much as it maybe sounds like I am
I am just townreading you less

there is one definite speed-bump to me, though

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I guess do some other stuff to show me that I'm a tinfoiling idiot who made a laughably wrong assumption and I think I can get there

Nah bro I want you to flip me because it'll be the only thing that stops you from doing this in future games

It's one thing if you actually have substance to use in your case, but your case is wholly surrounded by the lack of substance as a point of suspicion. I can't really blame you for trying to spawn something out of thin air because of the circumstances this game has going for it.

[MixMasterLar]

OK lets see
Not lynching SunFan
I don't think it's a great idea to vote Subaru here
Don't like Leetic but I can get behind Sun's defense enough to not entertain the vote today
I think there's an argument that Arp could be doing more but I have mislynched sooooooo many townies who could have been doing more and I think I can find a better option then that Day 0

I am so, so agnostic on Zenith right now. I think I want to defend them more simply because I hate Sun's argument for it

Could keep the vote on Raeko. Didn't think she really kept the momentum up and that attack on Subaru still gets under my skin

Wouldn't be sad to see Round go if he doesn't return but that absolutely seems like a shame if we do it

Nakah is missing and would be a fine choice since it's inactive and all that

[roundbox]

I'm readin, I'm readin GIMME SOME TIME

[the sun fan]

there's MEAT here now, Zenith

we can FEAST

and I know I'm rummaging through the garbage, instead
I can't help it
I couldn't unthink it

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for the purposes of putting 2 posts into one, I stole one of Freezin's bits earlier when I asked Arp to sell out their teammate. I *think* that Freezin has like an absurdly high rate of using that bit on a wolf (though I know he does like to do it when there's mech info of some kind or w/e, still, can't ding someone for making a basket)

anyways

that made me really hope that Arp! is a wolf

I'll maybe go read Arp! most recent towngame if I can find it

I'm kind of expecting it to not measure up to this game in towniness at this point

[_Zenith_]

My pre-EOD feelings and reads at the moment are lining up to be:

Town pool:
Subaru
MML
Sunfan

Null pool:
Arp
Nakah
Roundbox
Raeko
Leetic

Bottom 3 of nulls is my voting pool for this phase at the current moment, but also currently don't have any strong convictions worth pursuing at the moment because a lot of the game's terrain leads to dead ends right now.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

damn those names are a blast from the past

Site's a little less funny without them for sure

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I'm leaning toward Leetic atm

Ok but why? Show me your thought process

Originally Posted by the sun fan

not as much as it maybe sounds like I am
I am just townreading you less

there is one definite speed-bump to me, though

What am I not swearing enough again?