TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Tps222

I also wondered this but have no information about how the role works with regards to targets. Is wolfing someone considered a target, or is it just a non-wolfing red power target that gets reported?

If the host wants to comment on it publicly that's fine, but I'm not going to ask for that kind of info privately, it sways the game too much if it ends up being the latter.

My two cents are that if you do not understand your role pm wording, you should get it clarified. It is not really usual for a host to provide public clarification about roles in a mystery setup.

That said, I think whether we win or lose will not hinge on this, so that is all I will say on the subject.

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

What made you pick me to look at?

Missed this part, but I chose you because Freezn' was going out of their way to defend inactives and not voting out inactives this time,

Originally Posted by FreeznIce

By principle I won't be leaving a vote on anyone I deem inactive, I want some spice to flow, even if I'm not going to be around to harvest it

and you were being called out for inactivity at that point (rightfully or not).

I didn't put much more thought into it than that after the cardflip.


Bone had some interesting reads on Freezn', seemed to green-read them but still asked for a suspect list from Freezn'. Still doesn't seem completely fishy to me yet though.

I'm spending some more time analyzing the end of day 1 voting patterns, it doesn't really add up to me.

First, I'm curious as to why Freezn' tried to switch to star-crossed rather than roundbox (or myself/blind/bone/jinx who also all had 1 vote).

They ended up wolfing roundbox, and the only thing that stands out about star-crossed as a choice is that blind voted for them as well (it does look like a revenge vote from blind though).

[Tps222]

So if all else was equal, and they had the chance to cause a KITB, I think Freezn would avoid doubling up with his wolf partner and causing unnecessary association, so if anything this might be what moves the needle the most for me away from blind and towards one non-"cleared" townies.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Tps222

I'm not caught up on the language, I'm caught up on your mindset. You specifically said you were the only town power role in your mind, so why didn't you claim once you got a hit on me as having targeted someone? What would the downside be there?

The downside is if I'm wrong, because I was assuming 1 power role, so yes, I was certain you were wolf and I wanted to see what you were going to say. Your post was very authentic and not in any type of way a rebuttal trying to dig yourself out of a hole. I was essentially going to use what you said against you. What I didn't expect was a town power role not only used, but used by the same person I ask info about in the night, AND they used it on me. Whether your claim is true or false, I did not want to chance it at tunneling and losing a potential big help. I heavily ASSUMED you were wolf. 85% sure. I wasn't 100% sure, which is because I don't get colors, I get power or no power. So yeah, I pressed hard out of the gate with full intention to leave you to hang and dry but what you came out with didn't correlate with what I expected from you. So, now we're at a stand still mostly. Both of us don't mind lynching the other(I'm 60/40 now). I expect to get night killed honestly.

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Tps222

Missed this part, but I chose you because Freezn' was going out of their way to defend inactives and not voting out inactives this time,



and you were being called out for inactivity at that point (rightfully or not).

I didn't put much more thought into it than that after the cardflip.


Bone had some interesting reads on Freezn', seemed to green-read them but still asked for a suspect list from Freezn'. Still doesn't seem completely fishy to me yet though.

I'm spending some more time analyzing the end of day 1 voting patterns, it doesn't really add up to me.

First, I'm curious as to why Freezn' tried to switch to star-crossed rather than roundbox (or myself/blind/bone/jinx who also all had 1 vote).

They ended up wolfing roundbox, and the only thing that stands out about star-crossed as a choice is that blind voted for them as well (it does look like a revenge vote from blind though).

He has very little time and has to make a quick pick.

Because of his earlier posting in which he wanted to try to work with roundbox, he is not going to vote roundbox and from the inactive theoretical discussion he had been part of, decided early on in the day he does not want to go for somebody inactive.

Also, because he had put the joke vote on me already and been sussed for it as if it was serious, technically he is just doubling down on somebody he has already gone against a bit. It is also maybe nicer to try to snipe somebody he knows and was literally bragging about never being hanged as town vs. someone newer to the websitr? Lol

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Tps222

Missed this part, but I chose you because Freezn' was going out of their way to defend inactives and not voting out inactives this time,



and you were being called out for inactivity at that point (rightfully or not).

I didn't put much more thought into it than that after the cardflip.


Bone had some interesting reads on Freezn', seemed to green-read them but still asked for a suspect list from Freezn'. Still doesn't seem completely fishy to me yet though.

I'm spending some more time analyzing the end of day 1 voting patterns, it doesn't really add up to me.

First, I'm curious as to why Freezn' tried to switch to star-crossed rather than roundbox (or myself/blind/bone/jinx who also all had 1 vote).

They ended up wolfing roundbox, and the only thing that stands out about star-crossed as a choice is that blind voted for them as well (it does look like a revenge vote from blind though).

I voted star at literally the beginning of the game. How is it a revenge vote?! 😭The rest does make sense though.

[Tps222]

Well, day ends in 4 hours and change, so I guess we should probably decide on an approach.

I'm torn between "me vs blind splitting votes and seeing what happens on cardflip, other is wolfed, tomorrow is clearer"

Vs

unvoting blind, picking someone out from the crowd who didn't lynch freezn', both make blue choices tonight and have at least one bit of info reported tomorrow, with debate over if it can be trusted.


Current votes:

(1)Bone-Star
(1)blind-Tps

Not Voted:
Lahk, subaru, bone, blind, jinx

any thoughts?

[JinxGrace]

Not caught up but want to go grab something I remember from beginning of day that someone’s quote just reminded me of

[JinxGrace]

Originally Posted by Tps222

For what it's worth, my info has been consistent with how my role works and I claimed first in good faith.

Blind's info is:

1. a counter-claim that followed an d2-start immediate attack+ vote on me.

2. He uses inconsistent language in his claim with regards to what the role is named vs what it does. "just said he had a power or something". Is he a seer or a cop? If not a seer, why have a cop and a tracker?

3. His approach doesn't make sense because he said he thought there was only 1 town blue, so if he did see I had a power he should have immediately claimed and outed me as a wolf, there's nothing else I could possibly be in that scenario.

4. Blind voted star-crossed on D1 and left it there instead of switching to freezin as he hinted at. Freezin then tried to last-second pile on to Star-crossed. Sure, it could be coincidence, but there's a lot of bad circumstantial evidence here.


If we don't vote Blind out today, I think we should vote Jinx or Subaru. Subaru is who Freezin had initially voted before attempting to switch to Star, so that may have been an initial distancing attempt before time forced Freezin to switch.

Star is likely cleared from the D1 vote patterns, and Lakh seem to be leaning human to me based on their defense of Blind (I think a wolf would bandwagon on to a blue claim if they were the only one left). Bonehican actually seems genuine in their desire to self-lynch (even though I hate that approach, always consider yourself green and defend yourself publicly!)

If we go with Jinx/Subaru and we're wrong, I'm likely wolfed tonight and then you must decide between trusting Blind or voting out the remaining Jinx/Subaru player before we run down the clock. I'm trying to figure out the voting math if we go that way, but you would get a target report out of either me or blind should one of us not get lynched, just will be a decision on if you trust if (assuming it's not me providing the info).

For the record, blind did start the day phase by asking about your vote and then pretty early on blind said this

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Hi star! I don't have much to react to. Based on the flips, d0 end time makes sense. Round died as they always do, and we lynched a wolf solely because they prayed just tooooo late.

I have a powerful feeling that tps knows something we don't. And that feels wolfy to me. I want his story.

So for that bolded part -> blind did say you were wolfy

[SubaruPoptart]

So in the first world you're both dead? Cuz that's not very great to me. I can't tell if you're also tryna self-sac but it's not a very good move

To be quite honest I feel like you've proven yourself at the very least for this phase, I don't see two straight calls of "bank on a kitb" or "bank on so and so after I die" being a very smart wolf move should you be one. I'm personally at a standstill between you two and the shot of preserving two, minimum one power roles if we don't hit someone outside of y'all is better to me than one being wrong and then we lose both potential PRs.

I find the mindgames Blind was planning on pulling a lil confusing, but kinda in-tune with the type of mindgames I engage with myself. I could see banking on someone you think being a wolf tryna fake a role action, you having had the info and all of it playin out as it did. I'm hopin I read it right too cuz I'm not quite sure I understood it correctly myself. Couldn't care less what Blind's role actually is quite frankly on top of all that, it'll be solved tomorrow one way or another.

In your second world the options are kinda broad tbh. Vote was hella split, I don't know who had parked votes on Freezin before EoD but I'm almost positive that's only like 3 people in the game that actually did vote him since it ended up 2:1:1:1:1:1:1 lmaoooo - Despite putting the last vote on him I'm not counting myself as someone who had "voted freezin last phase" cuz it took me 47h59m to do so.
I'd be more keen on this one like I been sayin either way

[JinxGrace]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I actually think Subaru should probably objectively be more town read than me, because I was very drunk at the end of day 0 and at least theoretically could have told Freezin it would be funnier to bus me.

Subaru literally put Freezin at the max amount of votes at the last minute when he really did not need to, while he was already well liked. It just puts them in such a risky position. His posting has also continued to seem extremely genuine. Like if somebody red checked Subaru, I would probably be arguing there is a werewolf framer or something.

The only thing I kind of disagree with this. Is that Subaru sheep’s your ideas too much. That might be playstyle though. I still think Subaru snipe is town as mafia wouldn’t do that. I only seen that in a large game with large mafia. And I don’t think it was D1.

[LastOfTheBonehicans]

Yeah... I don't know. I feel like the entire I have a power thing is the sketchy thing here.

As for me asking to sacrifice, not a hail mary. Its kill me im saying im boring green and you cant logically prove that right now nor does anyone believe it. It forces the wolf to do 1 of two things.

Kill Subaru or if they are not one of these claims, kill one of the power claimers because you have 2 town powers getting info tonight with 2 targets to use said power on.

Either way it gives more clarity to the next day round.

You either have Subaru die with 1 solid human player in you 5 v 1 vote round with 2 pretty big suspects arguing over their powers.

You have a power person wolfed and 2 solid humans in your 5 v 1

Kicker is if both piwers are telling the truth and they both survive the night... one targets nakah the other targets jinx and thats game.

So not a hail mary keep me please and more im boring green. If the powers are telling the truth killing them would be bad. And if anyone else has a mystery power, it prevents their death this vote too.

Ultimately I think one of the power claims is lying. Just feels very weird how it all happened. But im not winning that argument currently, so the next best play in my mind is to force the wolf to take an action that isn't ideal.

[JinxGrace]

I get the self sacrifice thing though because I come from a site where vanillas are rare and if one is in the game they might be sleeper. Which is recruitable to mafia. At the very least something like death miller so on case of vanilla vs important role claim, vanilla takes one for team. Plus also they could be Jesus. But we changed our rule about Jesus so they die vanilla but player knows they are coming back. But from what I said in champs Deadpad, Jesus seems to be something only on our site lol.

[JinxGrace]

I don’t think it’s good policy to kill claimers, especially early claimers in general. Of blind vs tps I feel like blind was more proactive and tps was more reactive with how the day went down. What I usually see with liars is they get tripped up with actions later or mafia sorts it out for town.

I just want to know @Lakesis/Nahmed/Dio didn’t come forward earlier that he was an alt acc to a regular player? I know there was a lot of walls. And I did read them but I dont remember specifically why waited til D2

[JinxGrace]

What is kitb?

[Tps222]

knife in the box, aka rolling some kind of dice/RNG to break a tiebreak in votes at the end of the day.

[SubaruPoptart]

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

I get the self sacrifice thing though because I come from a site where vanillas are rare and if one is in the game they might be sleeper. Which is recruitable to mafia. At the very least something like death miller so on case of vanilla vs important role claim, vanilla takes one for team. Plus also they could be Jesus. But we changed our rule about Jesus so they die vanilla but player knows they are coming back. But from what I said in champs Deadpad, Jesus seems to be something only on our site lol.

"Plus also they could be Jesus" is takin me out I love that so much, sounds like the Altruist role or Phantom from some modded Among Us/Gmod stuff.

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

The only thing I kind of disagree with this. Is that Subaru sheep’s your ideas too much. That might be playstyle though. I still think Subaru snipe is town as mafia wouldn’t do that. I only seen that in a large game with large mafia. And I don’t think it was D1.

I'll admit I was sheepin kinda hard D0, they even told me as much as "don't follow my ideas too hard, I'm fallible too" to crudely paraphrase. I didn't think at the time I was sheepin because I was worried about getting pocketed (This Time For Sure Man:tm but it super was.

From that message on tho I feel like I've let up on that. I was sheepin mostly because they were the only person I knew for 100% I could trust as town at the time, I also genuinely had a lot of the same analyses/reads so it made sense to me to do so. Now that the game's progressed and I've gotten my bearings I feel like I've toned down on it but that's me lookin at me.

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

[TPS' big post]

For the record, blind did start the day phase by asking about your vote and then pretty early on blind said this

So for that bolded part -> blind did say you were wolfy

Also gonna second Jinx on this, he'd said he'd hinted to it, and I honestly forgot the "wolfy" part of the message was part of it til Jinx had brought it back up but yeah.

[JinxGrace]

Everyone always likes it when I go get the description of Jesus


The Jesus (Townie) (Passive), once per game, returns alive two Day Phases after their death. (e.g. Night 1 death -> Day 3 resurrection; Day 2 death -> Day 4 resurrection). They die as a Plain Townie but are announced as Jesus when they respawn at the start of the relevant Day Phase.

[JinxGrace]

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart

"Plus also they could be Jesus" is takin me out I love that so much, sounds like the Altruist role or Phantom from some modded Among Us/Gmod stuff.



I'll admit I was sheepin kinda hard D0, they even told me as much as "don't follow my ideas too hard, I'm fallible too" to crudely paraphrase. I didn't think at the time I was sheepin because I was worried about getting pocketed (This Time For Sure Man:tm but it super was.

From that message on tho I feel like I've let up on that. I was sheepin mostly because they were the only person I knew for 100% I could trust as town at the time, I also genuinely had a lot of the same analyses/reads so it made sense to me to do so. Now that the game's progressed and I've gotten my bearings I feel like I've toned down on it but that's me lookin at me.



Also gonna second Jinx on this, he'd said he'd hinted to it, and I honestly forgot the "wolfy" part of the message was part of it til Jinx had brought it back up but yeah.

I would actually say almost the reverse. There was more mingling at beginning maybe some sheep of Star but your vote and interactions were your own. I would say influence of Star’s post in even this phase influences you a lot in your mindset now which wasn’t there previously

[JinxGrace]

Who are you voting for Subaru? I might sheep you