TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Interesting... I might just go and reread EoD while trying to hold your perspective on MixMasterLar/Hateandhatred in mind, probably useful to do anyway!!!

Will say that while I technically have [redacted] leetic as my top town at the moment, I'm probably more ride or die with you because my read on you is more fleshed out so I trust it more; given you said you can only be around for the next 5 hours and I think you're one of the other 3 town, I'm fine if you want to try and coordinate some votes early!!!

Also, does that mean you're fully ride or die with Hateandhatred as town, as that high a level of confidence?

...I realize after typing that, that it's a bit awkward when Sunfan said he won't be around until later, but oh well; will just have to figure it out I guess!!!

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Sorry I literally just remembered SoD is now, hello!!!! Consolations Bugkid/roundbox/Mellon, was fun playing with you!! I lowkey feel a bit bad about Bug, realized a bit too late that there was that strong a possibility they would die yesterday; I wish I had spent time defending them, just had the paranoia they were agreeing with me too easily, sorry!!!

Didn't do much last night, just noted some quick EoD read thoughts:

Quick readlist of towniness at EoD specifically (excluding my read on them otherwise):

Very towny
Roundbox - very towny level of engagement/investment, where it felt like they were focusing a lot on keeping the overall greater perspective
leetic - also extremely locked in, just felt like their towniness really shone through there!!!

Towny just not as high as the upper tier
Hakulyte - the thoughts they've brought up (like the Vengeful randing onto town part) is townsided, plus think they've been genuinely just finding it difficult to read me, just we've been having a bit of a disconnect or something that I'd like to clear up today - also them bringing up they'd be fine with the small chance of voting out Weiss feels towny because they had at least 1 perfectly fine town vote option to sit on; contradicting their earlier thought would have been simply unnecessary!
MixMasterLar - The whole Weiss interlude stuff was very distracting in a very towny way, just isn't in the upper tier because it was not helpful to town at all

Shrug/meh
Hateandhatred - bit difficult because they have mentioned they're slow at typing, was nice that they got into real-timing a bit more at the EoD I just... don't really have that much stuff to say about them?
mellonxcollie - felt like they were the least focused at EoD in comparison to all the people participating, also I liked their Bug vote the least

Unfortunate that Mellon was town, but at least glad that I don't have a tinfoil thought they could be mafia in the back of my head anymore though!!!!

I feel like I'm listening to a narrator and not the real player. I would also preemptively make lists like this as wolf if I'm bored during night phase.

I apologize if you're town and I'm just massively misreading you. It's just that the way you post reminds me a lot of my own wolf games.

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

MML's narrative makes sense to me with the playstyle. (yes it's meta over a lot of games)
Hate actually enjoy rolling wolf. He didn't look hyped or committed to the game. So, I think he's just bored and has other things in mind.

Hmm, okay; particularly interesting for Hate at least!!!!

By enjoy rolling wolf, do you mean he tends to be more engaged/post/fake reads more or else-wise?

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Hmm, okay; particularly interesting for Hate at least!!!!

By enjoy rolling wolf, do you mean he tends to be more engaged/post/fake reads more or else-wise?

He would probably go for crazy plays just because he can. I think he enjoys more making cool plays than optimizing the process for winning the game.


I'm not seeing that at all.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Okay, but reads-wise where are you at? Like what does your full readlist look like now?

Doesn't have to be that in-depth, could just be names; there's only 6 of us left anyway which is only 5 people to sort!!!

Currently, from towniest to least towny I'd go maybe MML, you, Haku, Hate? (sunfan doesn't have enough posts to be fair to rank although the first impression here isn't super great) MML does look very much like his town self from meta and he is a player who is incredibly stubborn so I won't hold the Weiss push against him too much although I'm not entirely sure why they went bugkid over Hate. Haku is just a bit confusing, I'm not really understanding his thought process at all and while that is true for his town play I can't exactly clear him as I've never seen his wolf game (some meta would help maybe but I only trust it that much). The only reason why I didn't switch to Hate earlier last day was because I didn't want to insta early (thanks for preventing that, raeko) but that said I feel he should be given the chance to at least say something today. As for you, I suppose your posts do look genuine, I think some of the pushes on you may be due to culture clash.

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I feel like I'm listening to a narrator and not the real player. I would also preemptively make lists like this as wolf if I'm bored during night phase.

I apologize if you're town and I'm just massively misreading you. It's just that the way you post reminds me a lot of my own wolf games.

I didn't even do that much last night, just briefly went through EoD right after the phase ended and then didn't think about the game until like half an hour ago!!!!



Also I just enjoy reading games and keeping track of things, fight me!!!! EoDs in particular are useful in that regard, where how someone acts tends to help me a lot; roundbox being town just got a lot more obvious to me after that EoD, for instance!!!!



Is there anything that I can help clarify or whatnot to help with you finding me? Because if you're town, then that would be very useful in terms of basically endgame solving where we're at now!!

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

He would probably go for crazy plays just because he can. I think he enjoys more making cool plays than optimizing the process for winning the game.


I'm not seeing that at all.

Can you link us any of their past wolf games?

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

He would probably go for crazy plays just because he can. I think he enjoys more making cool plays than optimizing the process for winning the game.


I'm not seeing that at all.

Interesting!!!! Yeah, I'd certainly agree with not seeing that, at least!!

Anyone else want to second this thought on Hate? Leetic, any meta thoughts?

[Hakulyte]

If you're all town and I'm just playing like garbage (which is statistically likely)

There's a wagonomic world where MML tries to save Hate with wagonomics if you look at the EoD.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

If you're all town and I'm just playing like garbage (which is statistically likely)

There's a wagonomic world where MML tries to save Hate with wagonomics if you look at the EoD.

Maybe, though he seemed content to stick with Weiss for a while

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Interesting!!!! Yeah, I'd certainly agree with not seeing that, at least!!

Anyone else want to second this thought on Hate? Leetic, any meta thoughts?

I only have direct experience with MML (two games) and Haku (one game) (and the now-dead raeko and roundbox) so I can't really help there

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by leetic

Currently, from towniest to least towny I'd go maybe MML, you, Haku, Hate? (sunfan doesn't have enough posts to be fair to rank although the first impression here isn't super great) MML does look very much like his town self from meta and he is a player who is incredibly stubborn so I won't hold the Weiss push against him too much although I'm not entirely sure why they went bugkid over Hate. Haku is just a bit confusing, I'm not really understanding his thought process at all and while that is true for his town play I can't exactly clear him as I've never seen his wolf game (some meta would help maybe but I only trust it that much). The only reason why I didn't switch to Hate earlier last day was because I didn't want to insta early (thanks for preventing that, raeko) but that said I feel he should be given the chance to at least say something today. As for you, I suppose your posts do look genuine, I think some of the pushes on you may be due to culture clash.

Interesting, can you elaborate on the bolded? While I obviously disagree with Haku's read on me, I think they've been extremely transparent about their thought processes/how they're getting to the reads they are, at least!!!


Also, where are you at team-wise, if you've thought about it much yet?



And yeah it's not uncommon that I see surprisingly high expectations when I play in a new place, but it's usually for different reasons; a lot of it do just be unfamiliarity, though!!! :P

[Hakulyte]

Leetic, you're in the correct headspace if you think my thinking process is confusing. I'm literally thinking out loud as I post.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Interesting, can you elaborate on the bolded? While I obviously disagree with Haku's read on me, I think they've been extremely transparent about their thought processes/how they're getting to the reads they are, at least!!!


Also, where are you at team-wise, if you've thought about it much yet?



And yeah it's not uncommon that I see surprisingly high expectations when I play in a new place, but it's usually for different reasons; a lot of it do just be unfamiliarity, though!!! :P

He's been transparent about his thought processes sure, but it's those thought processes themselves that are confusing.

[leetic]

And ninja'd lol

[Hakulyte]

I haven't played a mafia game in over a year. I wouldn't be surprised if others are playing differently from back then.

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

If you're all town and I'm just playing like garbage (which is statistically likely)

There's a wagonomic world where MML tries to save Hate with wagonomics if you look at the EoD.

Technically I get where you're coming from, but it feels unlikely because if I recall correctly, he did talk about townreading Hate multiple times already anyways?

In short, just feels like it would be a bit too blatant, and also it would be much easier to just go on Bug in the first place when there was more interest there regardless!!!

That being said, I'm going to stop getting distracted and actually do that EoD reread now; back in a bit!!!!!

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Technically I get where you're coming from, but it feels unlikely because if I recall correctly, he did talk about townreading Hate multiple times already anyways?

Why would you not town read your wolf partner ?


I'm just asking in case it helps you reach some sort of conclusion.

[Hakulyte]

Wolf MML is kinda sneaky and plays decently close of his town game. It's like he has a good grasp of checking who's paying attention to him.

If I was a wolf MML, I'd be pretty happy with my game right now.

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I guess I don't have a good defense for keeping Hate alive but I don't know if I like it

I think if we're giving any underwhelming player a second phase it would be him

Okay it wasn't as fleshed out as I remember, and I did ask him to elaborate but he said he'd be gone for a bit right after this so I'm not sure if he ever saw my post!!!!!

Hmm... the first sentence feels not w/w in a "they'd at least make up some reason to defend them right?" manner, but the second sentence does give very "let's just give them another day" vibes as that is literally what it's saying!!!

(I do think the rest of his posting has been fine, but also only 6 players left and everything/I think there's a very high chance I'm wrong on at least one person!!!)