TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[leetic]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Still ultimately ok with Ara or Bug lynch, but probably policy voting Weiss unless there's a need to solve a tie or save a strong town read

Here's the thing: Ara/Bug CWs (or substitute your preferred player(s)) would result in much more EoD drama that could be useful to read for future phases than a scenario where one of the involves players doesn't say anything. If we really want that slot dead just tell the Freikugel to kill them (unless Weiss is the Freikugel, but that'd still result in a good outcome for town).

[leetic]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I never pushed Weiss for real. I said I hoped they would show up and put a pressure vote on them hoping they would see it

Lar pushed to actually vote Weiss out of the game, and I understand where he's coming from because replacements do tend to go the way he said on FFR. But my vote was a pressure vote. and hoping I could replicate the magic of H&H appearing right after I voted for H&H

You sheepishly said you agreed with MML's logic though? That is at the very least complicity in the push and I don't like you trying to deflect

[Hakulyte]

I'd recommend voting outside of Weiss because this exists:

"When the Vengeful Spirit is killed during the day by vote, the person they were voting for is also killed. If they were not voting for anyone upon death, then a random town player is killed instead."

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by leetic

Here's the thing: Ara/Bug CWs (or substitute your preferred player(s)) would result in much more EoD drama that could be useful to read for future phases than a scenario where one of the involves players doesn't say anything. If we really want that slot dead just tell the Freikugel to kill them (unless Weiss is the Freikugel, but that'd still result in a good outcome for town).

I'll will always take less info now versus dead slots stalling the game later. Period. I've made that mistake too many times

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'd recommend voting outside of Weiss because this exists:

"When the Vengeful Spirit is killed during the day by vote, the person they were voting for is also killed. If they were not voting for anyone upon death, then a random town player is killed instead."

Good catch.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'd recommend voting outside of Weiss because this exists:

"When the Vengeful Spirit is killed during the day by vote, the person they were voting for is also killed. If they were not voting for anyone upon death, then a random town player is killed instead."

Again, rather this narrows down the pool early and not later

[Hakulyte]

Notice the "town player" and not just "player".

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Again, rather this narrows down the pool early and not later

what do you mean by this?

[MixMasterLar]

Raeko if you're gonna walk away from the stance that Weiss is a bad vote then please go ahead and make a real vote now

[leetic]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Again, rather this narrows down the pool early and not later

Like it could kill the most consensusy townread player and give the wolves a huge advantage. Only a 1/9 chance sure but a 1/9 chance that would totally screw us over in many scenarios

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

what do you mean by this?

Smaller list of players tend to help narrow down POE

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Notice the "town player" and not just "player".

....I did not notice this. Ok it's fair to be hesitant but I think I still take that risk for previously mentioned reason

[Arapocalypse]

Okay here's where I'm currently at, tiers alphabetical:

Arapocalypse

Never voting today
leetic - towny curiosity in general over the course of the day, not much else to say - just a lot of little moments added up!!

MixMasterLar - already mentioned

Likely just not voting today
Bugkid - I think their response to the slip was perfectly fine, for what it's worth; bit towny, even!!! The "assuming every town is claiming vt" part does feel a bit ??? though? Another thing that pinged me a bit was actually the defense of me after MixMasterLar suspected me, just felt a little questionable because like... it feels like they're lacking a bit in town paranoia; that being said, I think when they've been actively posting here their posts do feel like they're flowing freely in a non-mafia agendaed waterfally manner, so ultimately just don't really want to vote them today, despite moving them between this tier and the below tier multiple times!!

Hakulyte - was divided initially, but really think the way they've just gone after Bug feels very very towny!

mellonxcollie - Considered moving them up, but I just... don't really feel it that strongly? If I'm wrong about any townread it's probably them - really really towny response to the perceived "slip" though!!!!

Roundbox - A lot more lowkey, but I feel like all of the posts they've posted in the thread so far just feel relatively sane in a very towny manner? Feels very similar to the type of sorting that I tend to see in ivory tower-type playstyles!! Noting that yes they could just be mafia voice of reason here, but also just don't want to vote them today, comfy enough for now!!

Everyone else
Hateandhatred - Given that people say Hate doesn't have a propensity for taking that long to type up reactions, going to say they do seem a little frozen with regards to responses there!! Also, a lot of it does just feel like posting for the sake of posting where they seem to be reacting to mainly mechanical stuff and not like... actual reads? The focus they're coming from isn't particularly giving me "town looking for mafia" vibes, in short!!!

Weiss

I have Bug/Hateandhatred as not w/w for Bug voting Hate in a not-partnered manner, though... does mean that unless the last mafia is exactly Weiss, I'm wrong on at least one of my townreads!!






(Not fully caught up as I was focusing on earlier, just getting this and a vote out for now though!!)

Also holy smokes I almost lost this entire post to be eaten by the mods ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Hoping this goes through!!!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Hateandhatred

And I forgot to actually put the vote in, here we go though!!!!

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

....I did not notice this. Ok it's fair to be hesitant but I think I still take that risk for previously mentioned reason

What's funny is that, early game, Arapocalypse mentioned everyone self-voting as a strat and this would be catastrophic with this in mind. xd

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by leetic

Like it could kill the most consensusy townread player and give the wolves a huge advantage. Only a 1/9 chance sure but a 1/9 chance that would totally screw us over in many scenarios

Ok be honest

It's D0

Do we really have a strong consensus town read? Truly?

Later on we will which is why we shouldn't wait to deal with inactivity later

[Hateandhatred]

Dinner done. I'm now going to be around until EOD

[mellon_collie]

I really don't think we can afford to lose a random town player, I agree the 1/9 chance isn't worth it

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Dinner done. I'm now going to be around until EOD

You really better step up your effort here, you have three votes

[MixMasterLar]

I guess I don't have a good defense for keeping Hate alive but I don't know if I like it

I think if we're giving any underwhelming player a second phase it would be him

[leetic]

Originally Posted by leetic

You really better step up your effort here, you have three votes

Also you're like the only one here besides Weiss who has yet to vote