TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

If they are being modkilled that's fair but if they are being replaced that is not desirable Imho. Replacements always get free passes that basically allow them to be a day late and not very useful to town a lot of time. Town benefis more from the flip then they do from a player who did not initially want to sign go around and say "still rereading guys" for an entire phase or two

(Although this game is pretty short to read, I will admit it likely wouldn't be as bad as I've seen on the past. Rule of thumb though I rather see the flip)

If it's's a blue, that sucks, but that's happened like maybe twice as far as I can recall

I get what you're saying and I think I agree

It would be cool if they showed up, tbh

[MixMasterLar]

I am with Leetic that I wish Bug would generate more content that isn't trying to defend themselves from Haku


I personally feel Bug could flip either way but if I don't see some pro town plays from them it's gonna be hard for me to justify keeping them past F5. At this point even a vote would look good

I don't know if I agree with Round'a assessment of Bug, that defense would sound better if someone not Bug had originally stated it, but I think wolf Round would be tempted to keep them on the side table for future options---be a really easy thing to do, so I'll town lean Round a little more.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by leetic

Lame. He's calling you out for your lack of engagement with the thread, something this post (and the previous one) fails to address. Surely you'd have some alignment related thoughts right now? Do you think Haku and raeko's pushes come from a genuine place?

i dont think its about lack of engagement?

[mellon_collie]

last time I voted for someone they showed up within 10 minutes

maybe it will work again

I WILL ATTEMPT TO SUMMON WEISS WITH THE POWER OF MY VOTE

[leetic]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Located a charger



If they are being modkilled that's fair but if they are being replaced that is not desirable Imho. Replacements always get free passes that basically allow them to be a day late and not very useful to town a lot of time. Town benefis more from the flip then they do from a player who did not initially want to sign go around and say "still rereading guys" for an entire phase or two

(Although this game is pretty short to read, I will admit it likely wouldn't be as bad as I've seen on the past. Rule of thumb though I rather see the flip)

If it's's a blue, that sucks, but that's happened like maybe twice as far as I can recall

That's still a gamble. I've seen plenty of players who were able to immediately towntell hard after subbing into a PoE slot. Plus, even if they're a wolf there still must be an active wolf, and there's always the option of the Freikugel killing them. I still think lynching Weiss here would be a mistake, better to get reactions from people who are actually here.

[MixMasterLar]

So where I'm at right now

Weiss (for inactivity) followed by Ara (reactive posting, like of push, gut) closely followed by Bug (joke followed by slip followed by being defensive)

I don't know if I have a good order outside of that.

Not willing to entertain Leetic, Raeko, Haku or Round at this time. Under them is HnH but I don't think I vote them here either

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by leetic

Do you actually wolfread anyone?

how is anyone realistically able to wolfread anyone right now?

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

That was a much quicker reread then I figured lol

To me, if there is an active wolf here I would bet it's Ara because it definitely feels like they engaged in the mechanics talk only because it would have been weird not to, and when it became safe to not address they dropped it pretty quickly.

It's reactive, is essentially my complaint

Even the reads list later on comes after we shifted to posting soft reads

Granted we have yet to really hear from Bug or HnH and to be fair, historically speaking on FFR the inactives are the wolves so you know always kinda got that in the back of my mind

But yeah let's get spicey and lay down that vote see where that gets us

I find your read of me to be unfortunately based on expectations of me that are simply are not true, where you're not taking into account factors like:


~ Engaging in mechanics when literally the only other person was already talking about mechanics and I had already been thinking about mechanics anyway, and the entire rest of the thread was asleep!! For reference, I know you/others here may not be that aware, but I do enjoy talking about mechanics (my home community is extremely mechanics-focused) especially when I've never seen this type of setup before, which is rare!!!!

~ When I popped in this morning, yes my reads (not even a reads list) was after some people started posting this morning... because that was literally the point at which I popped in briefly before leaving for the day? What, did you expect me to just... not say anything? This one's definitely a more nitpicky one that makes me a little ???



The whole bit about being reactive is like... that's lowkey what the game is tbh; I could accurately say that you are merely reacting to all the posts that have been made before you, but that doesn't make you mafia!!!


Anyways, I do think your posting so far has been towny regardless; I actually think this particular read is towny because of how you're being hypocritical about how you're treating me and Leetic (calling me mafia/Leetic town) when we undertook similar actions (mechanics stuff), and mafia tend to be more self-conscious about being hypocritical about things/don't tend to rock the boat as much, especially coming out with the first major mafia read of the thread!!! In short, you're probably just incorrect town here!!


(Also there's the whole "town spinning wheels in the thread" vibe that you've been giving off, in your last few posts!!!!)

[leetic]

Hell, in one of my past wolfgames I was completely screwed over by two players who subbed into slank slots as they were able to remove themselves from the PoE and turned what would have been an easy win into a narrow loss. Depending on who subs in it could result in a lot of uncertainty for wolves that would keep them from getting comfortable with gamestate, but regardless this is all basically speculation. Still doesn't change the fact that there are better people to flip right now I feel.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I am with Leetic that I wish Bug would generate more content that isn't trying to defend themselves from Haku


I personally feel Bug could flip either way but if I don't see some pro town plays from them it's gonna be hard for me to justify keeping them past F5. At this point even a vote would look good

I don't know if I agree with Round'a assessment of Bug, that defense would sound better if someone not Bug had originally stated it, but I think wolf Round would be tempted to keep them on the side table for future options---be a really easy thing to do, so I'll town lean Round a little more.

my vote on hateandhatred is still what i'm leaning towards, i don't think much has changed for me in that regard. i do really like your point on roundbox because even reading his post about me felt odd and i couldnt quite place why until now

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by leetic

That's still a gamble. I've seen plenty of players who were able to immediately towntell hard after subbing into a PoE slot. Plus, even if they're a wolf there still must be an active wolf, and there's always the option of the Freikugel killing them. I still think lynching Weiss here would be a mistake, better to get reactions from people who are actually here.

It is a gamble I do not argue that point

It's a gamble I've observed is worth the risk over the years, however

[leetic]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

how is anyone realistically able to wolfread anyone right now?

If you can't find anything that looks a little shady, you're either not trying hard enough or a wolf that doesn't want to rock the boat

[roundbox]

Lar's Weiss vote is lame
Raeko's Weiss vote is, well, not a real vote (I hope)

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

Slip. Theory !!!!!!

Personally I've found things that appear to be slips usually tend not to be though, more often than not...



But also like... maybe??? I didn't actually connect the dots between "vanilla wolf" and "never randed wolf" while skimming!!!!



That being said, even if they are mafia then it doesn't mean anything because there are no vanilla wolves here regardless and it was accidental anyway???

[leetic]

[v]bugkid666[/v] to turn up the pressure. You have to give me something here.

[Arapocalypse]

Regarding Weiss, if they're replaced if they don't show up then I'm very much in favour of voting someone else; info from whoever replaces/potential PR does tend to be useful!!

(No I haven't decided on who else yet, still catching up!!!)

[leetic]

Damn, how do you vote in this site again

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by leetic

Damn, how do you vote in this site again

[twgv]

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by leetic

If you can't find anything that looks a little shady, you're either not trying hard enough or a wolf that doesn't want to rock the boat

i'll rephrase and say that i think its pretty unfounded to have any solid wolf leads right now. at best it's tentative speculation or "gray area" otherwise it looks like youre bussing. i see where you're coming from but i think i just have a different perspective on straight up reading someone wolf d0

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Lar's Weiss vote is lame
Raeko's Weiss vote is, well, not a real vote (I hope)

it's me using my witch powers to summon Weiss to the thread and it's totally going to work, just you watch!!!