TWG 203 Werewolves in Avalon GAME THREAD

[MixMasterLar]

My top town not reading my post because it's too long IN A GAME THATS ENTIRELY READING POSTS is demotivating as fuck like come on

I was considering a vote for Phase Extension so I could have time to actually go through all of Day 2 later but if people are just going to scroll down and only pay attention to the bottom line then here

Roundbox -> Raeko -> Jub/Charu

There save everybody some precious time so they don't have to actually play the game -_-

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

My top town not reading my post because it's too long IN A GAME THATS ENTIRELY READING POSTS is demotivating as fuck like come on

PEE PEE POO POO!!!!!!!!!

[Charu]

I mean... I read it............

It was bug that said they didn't!

[Charu]

I'm cool for an extension. By the looks of it, no one did visit the thread during the holiday, which is completely understandable!

Made my sister cry to show I could walk a little.

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Charu

I mean... I read it............

It was bug that said they didn't!

im his townie bffl so he's butthurt that i don't wanna read his thesis paper on mobile

and tbh he's right to say it, if i put effort into a post i would threaten violence on those who refuse to engage with it. brb in 5 hours

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Charu

Made my sister cry to show I could walk a little.

i'm not crying, YOU'RE crying

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by roundbox

MML, I'm sorry to tell you that I am town and all of the reads you have made were stained with the presupposition of wolviness

I completely refute all of your reads that hinge off of "nobody was even talking about it" because that hinges on the logic that someone needs to be talking about something for it to have argumentative merit
this is plainly wrong, and I hope everyone else can see that.

also, call this a crazy thought, but is it weird for me to not want to read too much into manti's reads? think about the emphasis I place on reading the reads of dead towns. dead towns have no incentive to lie, so their reads can be read with the assumption of relative truth (towns are looking for wolves, so their reads are true relative to their alignment).
on the other hand, wolves are playing the game with the objective of sowing disinformation and confusion. there's no formula to how many wolf partners you're supposed to townread, scumread, whatever. the one thing wolves can't lie about is their vote. whoever their vote is on (yes, the [twgv] tags) is objectively known to the thread how they get to their vote and what they do with their vote is worth analyzing intently. it's how MML developed his case on manti: manti dropped a vote on MML, and it blasted forth from there when manti tried to justify his vote. I was a big dumb doodoo head who didn't

i have to say that i agree with this much more than i agree with mml analyzing manti's posts as well as the "nobody mentioned it before" sentiment. i still think it is likely you are both town

[roundbox]

I'm back

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i don't think raeko/rb can be w/w here

i want to reiterate that after reviewing all recent posts, i still believe this

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Imo I'd rather resolve jub this phase than rb

i agree with this but i wanna resolve raeko first bc something about that last post rubbed me seriously the wrong way. i do not typically vote reactively to posts. i like to be methodical and have lots of evidence (whether i state it plainly or not) before even thinking about voting someone. but something about that post got me real messed up.

this is especially weird because i made such a big deal about usually town-reading raeko even though i've mostly played with her as a wolf (i think). even if i can't quite explain it (other than the inquisition versus analysis thing i mentioned earlier) there's just something about it that screams awoo

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I'm back

more in-depth analysis of each player on manti wagon would be helpful. vainly, i enjoyed your deep dive into me (don't take that out of context)

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

My top town not reading my post because it's too long IN A GAME THATS ENTIRELY READING POSTS is demotivating as fuck like come on

I was considering a vote for Phase Extension so I could have time to actually go through all of Day 2 later but if people are just going to scroll down and only pay attention to the bottom line then here

Roundbox -> Raeko -> Jub/Charu

There save everybody some precious time so they don't have to actually play the game -_-

i read your posts and responded. i also sincerely hope you feel better. the post-thanksgiving bloat is real

[mellon_collie]

I'd be down for an extension... I was thinking the same thing because I basically missed all of yesterday as well

[bugkid666]

im personally not into an extension because literally nobody posted yesterday anyways

[MixMasterLar]

<3 Charu. Glad it's getting better

Bug if you want to solve Raeko this phase I'll bless that lynch but I do think Round is a solid hit

[MixMasterLar]

I brought up an extension because I'm probably overvaluing people wanting me to go through the whole game again. In reality no one seems to care so w/e

I got my targets, if people are already set on theirs there is no benefit to dragging the game out

[roundbox]

Charu's vote on manti:

Originally Posted by Charu

Also, the heck was that EoD anyways in the last five minutes. I didn't mind the wagons, but I wanna point a suspicious finger at Manti for flip flopping like that.

Seems odd

right off the bat, Charu suspects Manti for his vote movement. He was the first person in the the thread to call out manti specifically for this, as bugkid really only looked at the post about 4/4 votes that I mentioned in my other breakdown. it's a fair thing to call out manti on, so credit to Charu here

Originally Posted by Charu

Or it could be they were on the list. Get rid of the possibility of getting a case on one of the wolves. Then again, no one seemed to mind either one of them getting put on a wagon so maybe not.

My brain is too tired to think right now.

Charu responds to manti's answer to bug's question about the KITB stuff, and posits that manti might have made a vote swap as a wolf since FFA or jub3r7 was on the list (Charu makes it unclear here), but my problem with this is the fact that he brought up this list. the only people that can benefit from this list (and this list will NEVER be confirmed to the thread until post game) are the wolves, so any talk about it is anti-town tbh

Originally Posted by Charu

MML, as much as I think your town still, I'm not sure I understand the slightly aggressive response considering you were no where near insta.

I suspect Manti, but goodness, feels like your taking a major offense to his reasoning, lol

continuing, Charu affirms his suspicion on Manti, but comments that MML might be a bit too tunnely

Originally Posted by Charu

Don't hate your case, not at all.

I suspect him for his flip flopping as I said. I feel him labeling the two wagons as "meh" and then flip flopping on them was odd.

Charu responds to MML about why he suspects manti, and this is Charu's response. It follows his logic earlier just for the flip flopping.

Originally Posted by Charu

Maybe this seems crazy to think, but MML, Freezin, Bugkid, and myself seem to be okay with pointing at manti. Perhaps that's a good sign we got a valid suspect. Or the wolves are latching on to Manti's flip flop stunt.

I feel, if I has to say a town thing about it, a wolf like Manti would never make themselves THAT obvious of suspicious play.

Charu notes this before any votes (maybe MML, but not bugkid for sure) are placed on Manti to try to support the validity of his argument. Charu floats the idea that Manti might just be TWTBAW immediately afterwards. There's something about this post that I will come back to in a later point, so keep reading pls

Originally Posted by Charu

Honestly I would love to make posts where it's essay long, but I don't have the patience for that on a phone. Doing multi-quotes is impossible, lol.

Anyways, I get your read on me now. Of course my answer is I'm town, but yeah!

I suppose my other wolf read is Wayward, not a fan of their reentrance.

Wayward

Charu suspects WV and votes him! Whoa! but the only comment is "not a fan of their reentrance"
no, I'm not judging you for being unable to multi-quote, but I don't really feel like this is specific enough about his reentrace. Was he too cocky? Jovial? I don't know.

Originally Posted by Charu

I'm voting him simply to see what others feel, tbh

Not expecting a wagon to build, but it's one I wouldn't mind

This is how he responded when pressed on his WV vote by MML. "Voting him to see what others feel"
seems wack and makes this vote feel toothless

Here's three posts (the only ones) I could find between Charu and WV:

Originally Posted by Charu

Pretty bummed to be hon-

Oooohohoho, wait! Almost walked into that one, bucko!

Originally Posted by Charu

Sort of, wolves would like to know their merlins I would think.

Originally Posted by Charu

I didn't like his reentrance is all. Also, apparently I'm soft town to him after a silly exchange of him calling me a wolf.

I understand that Charu has suspicion on WV, but I don't understand anything past that point.
And also, demerits to both Charu and WV for talking about merlins and the list! The best way to win the game is to vote wolves, not think about a mechanic that will not be confirmed until the end of the game

Originally Posted by Charu

Okay, is this being salty, lol

This is Charu's response to Manti getting heated about MML. He has another post like this, but it is of the same substance and not worth quoting

Originally Posted by Charu

Having thoughts that Jub might be a wolf. Not liking that they're going out of their way to state they don't wanna elaborate on something.

Share it!

Next, Charu moves on to see if jub3r7 can get traction. Nicely though, unlike WV, he's specific about the part of jub3r7's posting that he finds odd. He does this without voting.

Originally Posted by Charu

Wagon for what? Being too passive as some are saying?

Excuse me for phone posting and not able to do essay's!

Charu responds to Manti calling him a wolf. I don't really see the reactionary shtick anymore, and I feel like Charu is more of a "throw something at the wall to see what sticks" kind of approach here.

Originally Posted by Charu

Apparently he just sees you super red. Don't blame him, your EoD action is just super odd.

Charu reaffirms his suspicion on Manti for his EOD behavior.

Originally Posted by Charu

Curious..

Raeko

See where this go for the last stretch

Like the WV vote, he drops a vote on raeko (joining my joke vote) without being terribly specific about why. I think his response to this is much worse than his defense of the WV vote. Here it is:

Originally Posted by Charu

Gauging and Seeing immediate reactions.

Originally Posted by Charu

Relax, I was seeing something.

Originally Posted by Charu

Call it me being curious

Was he trying to see if Manti moved his vote? He didn't really say aside from being curious. Where have I heard the "let's see how things go?" before?

Originally Posted by DarkManticoreX2

Lets put the juber wagon at 3 with FFA and see what happens.

ruh roh (also, while I'm quoting this post, notice how manti put the vote into a KITB only to force it the other way later)

Originally Posted by Charu

Alright, alright.

Manti

Mostly because I think MML is town here. If you flip town, I'll go after MML, promise!

Charu backs off and votes Manti, citing their belief in MML being town. MML not being town wasn't really under question by anyone but Manti and myself. He doesn't mention Manti's flip flop voting, which is odd since he brought it up twice in his previous posts about suspecting Manti.

Originally Posted by Charu

Wouldn't hate, but I absolutely agree we nip this manti business while we can.

I don't know who he's responding to here (bug, wv, and jub3r7 were talking about alternative wagon targets for a moment), but he ends by saying it's time to solve the thunderdome. He didn't really say it needed to be solved (unless I missed it), so it's a partial contradiction by omission for his reasoning.

I don't think Charu's vote on Manti is very good. After he notes that Freezin, bug, MML, and himself are all pretty united about Manti being a wolf, he uses his time to find other voting avenues in WV and Raeko. He floats jub3r7 as a potential, but never goes as far as to voting him. Raeko's vote looks worse because of his reasoning and its timing (WV one was far from EOD). bug's vote looks better than charu's vote, but let's see the other voters!

[MixMasterLar]

Look credit where it's due Round's pretty correct on Charu there

Still voting Round

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this is not something a town asks, especially considering i answered this question already.
wolves inquire more than they offer. this is exactly what raeko is doing today.

I reread everything like three times but if I missed it or just didn't get it yeah probably

I can't deny that I am inquiring more than offering, I'm trying my best to get into the game but I'm super tired and it's more difficult than I would like to admit to get motivated

Originally Posted by bugkid666

i agree with this but i wanna resolve raeko first bc something about that last post rubbed me seriously the wrong way.

In this post you are talking about the same one where I asked you the question, right? Not the last post I made talking to Roundbox?

I wasn't going to bring up the an extension but since other people did I was down. More because this feels like half a phase to me because people weren't around yesterday and also I'm dead tired but I either way it doesn't matter that much

Also Charu that is amazing to hear

[Charu]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Charu's vote on manti:

right off the bat, Charu suspects Manti for his vote movement. He was the first person in the the thread to call out manti specifically for this, as bugkid really only looked at the post about 4/4 votes that I mentioned in my other breakdown. it's a fair thing to call out manti on, so credit to Charu here



Charu responds to manti's answer to bug's question about the KITB stuff, and posits that manti might have made a vote swap as a wolf since FFA or jub3r7 was on the list (Charu makes it unclear here), but my problem with this is the fact that he brought up this list. the only people that can benefit from this list (and this list will NEVER be confirmed to the thread until post game) are the wolves, so any talk about it is anti-town tbh



continuing, Charu affirms his suspicion on Manti, but comments that MML might be a bit too tunnely



Charu responds to MML about why he suspects manti, and this is Charu's response. It follows his logic earlier just for the flip flopping.



Charu notes this before any votes (maybe MML, but not bugkid for sure) are placed on Manti to try to support the validity of his argument. Charu floats the idea that Manti might just be TWTBAW immediately afterwards. There's something about this post that I will come back to in a later point, so keep reading pls



Charu suspects WV and votes him! Whoa! but the only comment is "not a fan of their reentrance"
no, I'm not judging you for being unable to multi-quote, but I don't really feel like this is specific enough about his reentrace. Was he too cocky? Jovial? I don't know.



This is how he responded when pressed on his WV vote by MML. "Voting him to see what others feel"
seems wack and makes this vote feel toothless

Here's three posts (the only ones) I could find between Charu and WV:







I understand that Charu has suspicion on WV, but I don't understand anything past that point.
And also, demerits to both Charu and WV for talking about merlins and the list! The best way to win the game is to vote wolves, not think about a mechanic that will not be confirmed until the end of the game



This is Charu's response to Manti getting heated about MML. He has another post like this, but it is of the same substance and not worth quoting



Next, Charu moves on to see if jub3r7 can get traction. Nicely though, unlike WV, he's specific about the part of jub3r7's posting that he finds odd. He does this without voting.



Charu responds to Manti calling him a wolf. I don't really see the reactionary shtick anymore, and I feel like Charu is more of a "throw something at the wall to see what sticks" kind of approach here.



Charu reaffirms his suspicion on Manti for his EOD behavior.



Like the WV vote, he drops a vote on raeko (joining my joke vote) without being terribly specific about why. I think his response to this is much worse than his defense of the WV vote. Here it is:







Was he trying to see if Manti moved his vote? He didn't really say aside from being curious. Where have I heard the "let's see how things go?" before?



ruh roh (also, while I'm quoting this post, notice how manti put the vote into a KITB only to force it the other way later)



Charu backs off and votes Manti, citing their belief in MML being town. MML not being town wasn't really under question by anyone but Manti and myself. He doesn't mention Manti's flip flop voting, which is odd since he brought it up twice in his previous posts about suspecting Manti.



I don't know who he's responding to here (bug, wv, and jub3r7 were talking about alternative wagon targets for a moment), but he ends by saying it's time to solve the thunderdome. He didn't really say it needed to be solved (unless I missed it), so it's a partial contradiction by omission for his reasoning.

I don't think Charu's vote on Manti is very good. After he notes that Freezin, bug, MML, and himself are all pretty united about Manti being a wolf, he uses his time to find other voting avenues in WV and Raeko. He floats jub3r7 as a potential, but never goes as far as to voting him. Raeko's vote looks worse because of his reasoning and its timing (WV one was far from EOD). bug's vote looks better than charu's vote, but let's see the other voters!

You're stinky.