TWG CLXXXV: C9+++++++++ Game Thread

[Gradiant]

or are you trying to get me to act more aggressive?

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I have not a clue what you're trying to say here

I'm accusing you of trying to start a wagon out of Yosh's and my interactions.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

What I am getting from the long post to daiyki seems to boil down to "I am great at reading Haku and he is obviously a townsperson, therefore you posting anything is padding in comparison to Haku's posting." Is that accurate?

Uh no.
No it isn't.
I actually did say that what Yosh was posting was better then Haku's in terms of content. I just find what Haku said to be actually useful.
I am saying that Yosh's post isn't that great either and tells me nothing.
I will now add that both you and Yosh are thinking too highly of it.

Originally Posted by Daikyi

i think shadowolfe you need to reread intent of my post, and the fact that im not really pushing the thought any further.

You are aware that you have used this twice on me as wolf to justify why you where not willing to engage with me in anything closely resembling a heated debate since you've changed accounts, no?

Originally Posted by Daikyi

re: mml not acknowledging haku posts as padding

my definition of padding is closer to straight up unnecessary, and irrelevant things posted as a guise to try and look active and involved.

hakus posts were regarding a previous game. my posts were straight up about posts that were being made in this game lol

so unless this is something different than straight up semantics about what your view of "padding" is, its another instance of arguing for the sake of arguing which im trying to step away from, because of the general unlikableness (in a real life way, unrelated to gamestate) of the situations it generates.

also, you can call my posts easy mode all you want, but im still trying to make observations and actually think on them, rather than slapping in surface level reads. if you want a base level read, consider something more than "trying to analyze haku d0 is easy mode"

You're stretching the word "earnestly" there and ignoring my points regarding Haku and his likeliness of making certain post triumphs the post's content.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

So, you're trying to tell me that Haku as a wolf would be genuinely thinking about this kind of thing, but only talking about it in wolf chat. I fundamentally disagree, and I expect a better explanation of how you are reading Haku.

Then expect it, but you already have the answer. You literally just explained it yourself.

If you disagree I would imagine you would explain why but I am starting to feel this push on me isn't in good faith anyway so I am not surprised

Originally Posted by Gradiant

1) Is it safe to take from the first part then that you like shado doing stuff because it involves daikyi talking about Haku? That's all I can really get from it otherwise. They are just casual thoughts thrown out here but they all have a slight bit more substance than just 'shado's doing things'.

I just like that he's actively poking stuff that's happening, not really because it's about Yosh and Haku although that helps. This obviously doesn't clear him but the more content people make early the easier it is to cross reference them later on. On a related note, look forward to when I advocate outright lynching anyone with sub 5 posts on here come EoD; I can't stand inactives

If you are upset that I didn't elaborate then that's fair but I was legit on my way out the door and just decided to not write more. It's more the act that he is doing it anyway.

Originally Posted by Gradiant

2) In earlier games yeah maybe, but only after a bit into the game after people are continuously doing stupid stuff or refusing to be involved in the game (inactivity or plain just throwing stuff around without reading). I do agree with daikyi though about shado's sudden, intervention i guess? it's why i said in my post that his reaction was insightful.

This is fair.

Originally Posted by inDheart

@mml i'm still left wondering what there would be to escalate though since gradi's point seemed to be made; either you expected him to push on that more forcefully or...?

Yes, I was expecting him to push back much more forcefully.

[MixMasterLar]

I don't know how I feel about Gradiant vs Shado except for yes please

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I just like that he's actively poking stuff that's happening, not really because it's about Yosh and Haku although that helps. This obviously doesn't clear him but the more content people make early the easier it is to cross reference them later on. On a related note, look forward to when I advocate outright lynching anyone with sub 5 posts on here come EoD; I can't stand inactives

If you are upset that I didn't elaborate then that's fair but I was legit on my way out the door and just decided to not write more. It's more the act that he is doing it anyway.

Thanks for answering tiny bit more. I wasn't upset about you not elaborating because i knew you'd probably get to it eventually, i'm currently more irritated that shado took it upon himself to do it for you without actually answering anything, just saying 'wrong'

[MixMasterLar]

I actually want to see what he says back to you on that before I comment on it further, but I got'cha

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I've been told to lynch players in a certain order based on a mass claim and if I simply followed the order; town would have won pretty convincingly.

The problem lies on reaching out to others in the right way.

I didn't actually stand for myself when I had more than enough on my plate to push the game at the right place.

I said what I had in mind overall, but it's like it didn't really reach out because of how it was said.

It felt like it was too easy to be true and I eventually started second guessing myself over technical stuff that was outside of my control that didn't really matter. e.g: (does role color matter, is Xel a bastard role in a non bastard game, etc.)

The point is that lynches got wasted over stupid stuff and then wolves won despite having all the info to technically win after the first phase.

I feel like I still need a backup buddy to end the game for me after sitting down and sharing the information.

Mix that with being absent at eods due to work and struggling in voice chat to think at a meaningful way to rally others over logical stuff and I've got quite the problem.

Anyway, gotta reset for this game.

Again, this post is focused on solving based on mechanical information, communicating appropriately, game solving in general (second guessing), being concerned about wasting lynches, "rally[ing] others over logical stuff." All of those things seem way more relevant to town play than to wolf play. Why would he be talking to a wolf partner about these things, as opposed to things more relevant to being a wolf?

[roundbox]

time to find out what silly word arguments these people have made

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I'm accusing you of trying to start a wagon out of Yosh's and my interactions.


Uh no.
No it isn't.
I actually did say that what Yosh was posting was better then Haku's in terms of content. I just find what Haku said to be actually useful.
I am saying that Yosh's post isn't that great either and tells me nothing.
I will now add that both you and Yosh are thinking too highly of it.

I mean, my vote had nothing to do with dai, that's all you putting that on me. Why are you so stressed about having one vote on you so early in the game?

Basically any time you are using pronouns you're completely losing me. I have no idea what "it" is.

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Again, this post is focused on solving based on mechanical information, communicating appropriately, game solving in general (second guessing), being concerned about wasting lynches, "rally[ing] others over logical stuff." All of those things seem way more relevant to town play than to wolf play. Why would he be talking to a wolf partner about these things, as opposed to things more relevant to being a wolf?

So the way I see it, Haku as town is voicing genuine concerns, or Haku as not town is still posting that type of thing because that is what Haku thinks Haku would have done as town. It makes 0 sense to post this type of stuff in wolf chat, to me.

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I don't know how I feel about Gradiant vs Shado except for yes please

That explains a lot

[Antori]

ok i went and read everything so I'm making big wall of text

Originally Posted by inDheart

hey antori what's the "departure" thing mean

it's just for the rhyme of the haiku

Originally Posted by star-crossed

And with "always", is your sample size just the one game..?

Nooooooo, maby

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

It's easy to focus on Haku's bad points and see little else. It's easy to make genuine sounding posts scorning Haku when you have genuine scorn towards his play, but neither are productive or even helpful to your own slots.

this reaction rubbed me the wrong way, i feel like Daikyi did the right thing pushing people on the scene and not voting them and i have yet to get wolf read from star-crossed. but shado coming in and negating the whole discussion felt off for me

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Also, I'm digging the new avatar.

thanks finally someone appreciates good artwork

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I don't think you've ever said anything that ridiculous before dude. It's becoming increasingly obvious I'm being trolled but I'm frustrated because I don't know how to read it.

i dont think even FFA can read himself i certainly can't

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

good hot

Originally Posted by star-crossed

I would also like to make the mafia team, aware of this option, thank you.

got it!

Originally Posted by star-crossed

It kind of makes me wonder how much he read, since the stuff he responded to was chronologically backwards. But I also do not know, what the double negative was about.

not sure if he answered this yet but it's an inside joke
I once wrote a paper about double negatives in college
actually I'm not sure why it turned into a joke; I forgot why I brought up the fact I wrote that paper completely lmfao

Originally Posted by inDheart

maybe litotes is his favorite literary device

MOST UNDERRATED POST IN THE THREAD HOLY SHITif anybody comments on the "catching up, I got to post #200", it was intentional. got em

Originally Posted by star-crossed

And with "always", is your sample size just the one game..?

star's pointedness and unwavering tone is giving me town vibes for her d0

Originally Posted by Daikyi

dont think hes worth spending time on atm

sitting on this thought too
I'm gonna wait for him to read other people and make observations that aren't about himself

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I don't really like how Roundbox has shown up but not really said anything meaningful. but obviously he's still at work so I don't want to hold that against him but just keeping note of it

EXCUSE ME?

still reading, I'm up to post #200

[Antori]

----------------Suspicions list:
----very suspicious:
-[Empty]
----suspicious:
-ShadoWolfe
----slightly suspicious:
-mellonxcollie
-XelNya
-inDheart
----not suspicious:
-Daikyi
-MixMasterLar
-Gradiant
----neutral:
-Wayward Vagabond
-Hakulyte
-roundbox
----town read/confirmed:
-star-crossed
----sacrifice incase have to lynch someone:
-flashflash account

top to bottom --> most suspicious in that category to least suspicious in that category

[Gradiant]

Originally Posted by Antori

----------------Suspicions list:
----very suspicious:
-[Empty]
----suspicious:
-ShadoWolfe
----slightly suspicious:
-mellonxcollie
-XelNya
-inDheart
----not suspicious:
-Daikyi
-MixMasterLar
-Gradiant
----neutral:
-Wayward Vagabond
-Hakulyte
-roundbox
----town read/confirmed:
-star-crossed
----sacrifice incase have to lynch someone:
-flashflash account

top to bottom --> most suspicious in that category to least suspicious in that category

wouldn't you have to find ffa suspicious in order to be okay with lynching them?

[Wayward Vagabond]

Ind wanted me to do a dance and I will not dance because I'm not wearing my dancing shoes. I also haven't read any of the thread and won't until later tonight

Byeeeeee

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

Ind wanted me to do a dance and I will not dance because I'm not wearing my dancing shoes. I also haven't read any of the thread and won't until later tonight

Byeeeeee

I solemnly swear not to shitpost and clutter up the thread

also man, that read had NOTHING really jump out to me other than the observations I made in my first bigpost

someone needs to do something spicy

what if I did THIS
gradiant

[Gradiant]

oh that's mean

[Antori]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

wouldn't you have to find ffa suspicious in order to be okay with lynching them?

no not in his case cause i can't find him suspicious, he plays in a very un-ordinary way, it's like the joker card

[roundbox]

it's a diversion strategy to steer the heat off of my partner, shadowolfe

consider yourself cornered

[Antori]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I solemnly swear not to shitpost and clutter up the thread

also man, that read had NOTHING really jump out to me other than the observations I made in my first bigpost

someone needs to do something spicy

what if I did THIS
gradiant