TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread - Page 72

**Hakulyte** · 02-21-2017, 02:54 PM

I'm town reading AA for asking questions to Witch. Witch is not here. Sunfan probably won't be here soon.
Xel probably doesn't want to talk to me because he thinks I'm stupid.
MML is already town read for me straight up for activity.
I liked Prophylaxis big posts and they felt genuine.
DBP is somewhere between null and townish for me so, I guess Hello! \o

ShadoWolfe · 02-21-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Let's see.

Haku is town

AA started out a little off but I think he's back on track. His "matter of pride" argument about definitions with me is pretty town AA and I like his interaction with Shado. Town

SunFan is probably town. I still think that him dropping ze eff bomb is a little out of character for him but that probably paints him even more town. Wouldn't lynch today.

Raeko is trending up. Like her interactions with Witch. Wouldn't lynch today.

DPB didn't give me as much as I was expecting to be honest but I'm ok painting him slight green. Liked his re-entrance even though I don't think much came of it. Tone seemed good, didnt seem fake etc

Freezin's started trying to solve the game after that lost post. Want to see me but ok not lynching today as of right now. I still think that role Play gimmick is anti-town though.

Charu....I mean, I sympathize with not feeling the game but hoping I can see more Charu tomorrow before EoD before placing him. I feel like he could go either way because he really did crawl into the backseat when things got pretty real there for awhile.

Proph looked good last I saw him but again want to see more of him.

I'm not expecting Roundbox to be back for some time and that's pretty null for him. Could go either way but assuming he drops the mad posts that he's known for when he returns and shows some effort I'm willing to give him a pass.

Not too impressed with what Witch has brought to the table, which would be fine but I feel that in their interaction with Raeko they're intentionally trying to answer with the least amount of words. I don't know if I believe they believe all of their reads, ie that read on Shado and why a wolf wouldn't do what he did.

Shado trending down for me. Didn't like the interaction he had with AA, don't like how him and Xel are suddenly cool when as far as I can tell all Xel did was repeat himself.

The most polite way to say how I feel about Xel is that I don't get the sense he's invested in most of the game.

Let's be clear though, chances that Xel and Shado are wolf buddies together seem really slim but I'd wager there is, indeed, a wolf between them.

I just saw this. I really, really don't like it in the sense that I think it's just wrong.
Which interaction do you not like with me and AA? We've had a lot.
Why do you feel me and Xel are "suddenly cool"? I've been townreading Xel since his queue posts, and he's been townreading me to the point of unknowingly putting me in his townpile twice.
Why do you get the feeling that Charu wasn't "feeling the game"? He has the most posts, and while his posts were primarily reactive (dropping little tidbits on everything happening as it has happens), he definitely had his share of participation.
Why do you think Haku is town?

**MixMasterLar** · 02-21-2017, 02:54 PM

Ok well

Roundbox will helpfully be back soon with his textwall and now that I'm looking down here DBP and Proph have shown up so hopefully they catch up and give thoughts.

I'm going to step away and play Overwatch while I wait for that to happen.

I'm also recording stuff today so not sure when I'll be back but I will be back for EoD

**AragakiAyase** · 02-21-2017, 02:54 PM

time for a goat guess for postgame credit that probably has 0-1/3

witch/xel/roundbox

**Hakulyte** · 02-21-2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Why do you think Haku is town?

Do you want me to quote all the bs you said about me in Allies & Adversaries in hope to get me read as a wolf?

**AragakiAyase** · 02-21-2017, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I just saw this. I really, really don't like it in the sense that I think it's just wrong.
Which interaction do you not like with me and AA? We've had a lot.
Why do you feel me and Xel are "suddenly cool"? I've been townreading Xel since his queue posts, and he's been townreading me to the point of unknowingly putting me in his townpile twice.
Why do you get the feeling that Charu wasn't "feeling the game"? He has the most posts, and while his posts were primarily reactive (dropping little tidbits on everything happening as it has happens), he definitely had his share of participation.
Why do you think Haku is town?

I don't like this post because I like MML's post, I think it's a very standard town!MML post

**Hakulyte** · 02-21-2017, 02:57 PM

Do you want me to quote you saying you would read my wolf games?

lol

ShadoWolfe

Witch of Certainty · 02-21-2017, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

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Originally Posted by Witch of Certainty

Because it's not a nitpick, I actuallly think the two are different? Reads, both scum and town, are thoughts based on analysis/deduction with a solid case behind them, you're saying you have concrete proof towards a person's alignment. Leans are just leans, thoughts based on impressions/senses/gut feelings of townishness/scumminess without much concrete behind them.

that's your definition of what "scum read" means, what I'm asking is if you have any reads that are on the scum side, if I must be so clear

Okay, so the answer hasn't changed.

no, shoot me, go on

Okay, but why is he a wolf? And no, being "in his wolf range" is far from enough.

he's a wolf because he's not being towny and because he seems to care more about how shado is read than himself. keep in mind I'm not asking you to sheep me here, I'm asking you to show a grain of independent thought wrt to scumreads

I already answered that, simply repeating it while accusing me of not showing thought is...well, nagl

In the first of his two posts he quoted, he explains (pretty well) how he sees a post of Shado's as townish and says he's not getting lynched anytime early on the way he's going. I don't see how that is strongly defending Shado himself as town, only saying that he has at least one good post and isn't likely to be lynched if he keeps it up.

lol
See above for why I say there's an actual difference.

Ah, I wish I had the energy and power to come up with things from nothing. Guess I'll just stick to my town leans then.

hahahahahaha gj twisting what I said, but if you can't come up with anything you find suspicious then again, nagl

How did I twist what you said? You're essentially asking me to come up with scum leans/reads when I've found nothing, hence my response. I'm still challenging your one real scum read without any good answer yet btw.

I didn't say I'd be compelled to follow his lead.

what if! what if he's town, what if he's the vig, or the wolf RB? I don't know, all I know is that I feel like he's town and has reliable judgement, so I'm willing to follow what he thinks in the absence of having come up with anything I want to pursue myself. That is not saying "sunfan is town and I'll vote whoever he does without explanation!"

but that's the whole problem: you're essentially doubling someone else's vote while simultaneously not thinking for yourself

"I didn't say I'd be compelled to follow his lead." I asked him to try and get me to vote someone, not to just give me a name I'd vote automatically. So that's wrong.

Pressure voting anyone besides a new player is silly, anyone with some experience can tell when not to be afraid of a vote. A mild suspicion doesn't justify a serious vote to me, deal with it. To me, it should, or at least that you have enough of a case on them that you're willing to declare your intent to see them lynched if it sticks. "Scummy enough" means you can bring a concrete case to show that they're scum.

you don't need a concrete case to think someone is scum. you also don't need a concrete case to get other people to think someone is scum. pressure voting can do wonders for players of all experience, because a pressure vote can easily turn into a more serious vote if not addressed.
responses in bold
Sure, I'd call that a scum lean. ...I'm sorry, what? You can convince other people to scumread and lynch someone without any case? A pressure vote turning into a more serious vote means that whoever you were pressuring failed to effectively answer you and became a scum read, so nahhhh, doesn't quite apply.

responses in bold

My responses in italics.

ShadoWolfe · 02-21-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I don't like this post because I like MML's post, I think it's a very standard town!MML post

"In the sense that it's just wrong"
C'mon AA, you've gotta be more observant than that.
I'm not scumreading him. Just don't like his reads list. I made sure to explicitly say that I only didn't like it because I think it's wrong...

**XelNya** · 02-21-2017, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Xel probably doesn't want to talk to me because he thinks I'm stupid.

I don't think you're stupid, I think your conclusion was stupid, no matter how joking you were with it.

But not interacting is not the solution, if anything I ought to pull an old page out and tunnel the shit out of you

ShadoWolfe · 02-21-2017, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Do you want me to quote all the bs you said about me in Allies & Adversaries in hope to get me read as a wolf?

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Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Do you want me to quote you saying you would read my wolf games?

lol

ShadoWolfe

Whoa.
Sure, quote what you like.
How does asking MML why thinks you're town NOW affect you? Why does that trigger an instant vote?
Hell, how long have you even been here? Is that the only thing you read before deciding to vote?

**thesunfan** · 02-21-2017, 03:00 PM

people in the apartment beneath me complained FML

**XelNya** · 02-21-2017, 03:00 PM

In fact I'm just gonna go over your posts while I'm at lunch. I know I don't have the time to do it now and finish sadly

**XelNya** · 02-21-2017, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thesunfan

people in the apartment beneath me complained FML

Tell them it's not past noise ordinance and to fuck off

**MixMasterLar** · 02-21-2017, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I just saw this. I really, really don't like it in the sense that I think it's just wrong.

K

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Which interaction do you not like with me and AA? We've had a lot.

That major one concerning how you handled the Raeko case.

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Why do you feel me and Xel are "suddenly cool"? I've been townreading Xel since his queue posts, and he's been townreading me to the point of unknowingly putting me in his townpile twice.

Didn't you vote for him at one point over that contradiction or am I misremembering?

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Why do you get the feeling that Charu wasn't "feeling the game"? He has the most posts, and while his posts were primarily reactive (dropping little tidbits on everything happening as it has happens), he definitely had his share of participation.

He flat out said he wasn't feeling the game at one point this isn't up for debate. I called him out for it and he was basically like "yep"

Even if he didn't, you can tell Charu isn't really trying that hard when he resorts to gifs and purely reaction posts. He did say he'll try again today IIRC, and that's good but he just hasn't gotten here yet I don't think. We'll see

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Why do you think Haku is town?

Explained this more then once already. Tone, ease of how he was telling jokes and lack of tryhardy posts.

Haku's like the easiest person here to read and has done more then enough for me to give a d0 pass to.

**AragakiAyase** · 02-21-2017, 03:02 PM

I don't have a concrete case for why xel is scum outside of what I've told you:

he's meh this game to me (this is a meta read and you'll have to deal with it)
his focus on people townreading shado is very strange and I'm not really following how it comes from a town perspective. he had a post where he said something along the lines of "I don't see how anyone can be wolfreading shado besides mellon/raeko"

do I need more? I think it'd be nice, but no, I don't think I need more.

yes, I can convince people to scumread and lynch people without what you'd consider a case. literally one scummy post is all you need to get people lynched in some cases, it's really not that hard. I did it to MML as he just mentioned off of one post that I made and his one post response (or in this case, the lack of a response) and lynched him. see? not hard.

I'm not so stupid to just scumread someone because they straight up aren't there, but when people actively avoid questions that are generating the pressure then it's nagl and generally turns into a scumread, yes. town generally have an easier time answering questions than wolves do so it's more effective than you might think

Witch of Certainty · 02-21-2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thesunfan

@witch, who is your strongest townread?
I know you had to have posted it somewhere, but refresh my memory please

as per repeated statements and explanations, I have no townreads
strongest leans are you/Backpack/AA (pending AA's final answer[s] to being questioned about the Xel read)

**Hakulyte** · 02-21-2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XelNya

I don't think you're stupid, I think your conclusion was stupid, no matter how joking you were with it.

But not interacting is not the solution, if anything I ought to pull an old page out and tunnel the shit out of you

Yo think a second.

I only have 2 wolf wins in this entire forum.

1. Turbo IV with Charu where I die early on and Charu wins alone.
2. Egregious Miscalculations where everyone is technically a serial killer instead of a wolf.

I fail miserably in every other wolf games.

It's very simple, I'm not "this" confident ever as a wolf.
It's not "omg you could do it", it's literally "it never happened".

**MixMasterLar** · 02-21-2017, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XelNya

Tell them it's not past noise ordinance and to fuck off

If it's not past noise ordinance you're not truly playing ITG

**AragakiAyase** · 02-21-2017, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

"In the sense that it's just wrong"
C'mon AA, you've gotta be more observant than that.
I'm not scumreading him. Just don't like his reads list. I made sure to explicitly say that I only didn't like it because I think it's wrong...

I also think it's pretty right

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Which interaction do you not like with me and AA? We've had a lot.
Why do you feel me and Xel are "suddenly cool"? I've been townreading Xel since his queue posts, and he's been townreading me to the point of unknowingly putting me in his townpile twice.
Why do you get the feeling that Charu wasn't "feeling the game"? He has the most posts, and while his posts were primarily reactive (dropping little tidbits on everything happening as it has happens), he definitely had his share of participation.
Why do you think Haku is town?

1st point: isn't he saying he likes our interactions? why are you then asking what he doesn't like?
2nd point: it would make sense if he's referring to how you suddenly called him out on a contradiction and now seem to be ok with it.
3rd point: charu has said multiple times he's not feeling this game/doesn't have energy
4th point: valid, but that doesn't really suggest that he's wrong, that just asks for more reasoning

02-21-2017, 02:54 PM	#1421
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 4,539	Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread I'm town reading AA for asking questions to Witch. Witch is not here. Sunfan probably won't be here soon. Xel probably doesn't want to talk to me because he thinks I'm stupid. MML is already town read for me straight up for activity. I liked Prophylaxis big posts and they felt genuine. DBP is somewhere between null and townish for me so, I guess Hello! \o __________________

02-21-2017, 02:54 PM	#1423
MixMasterLar Beach Bum Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Emerald Coast Posts: 5,224	Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread Ok well Roundbox will helpfully be back soon with his textwall and now that I'm looking down here DBP and Proph have shown up so hopefully they catch up and give thoughts. I'm going to step away and play Overwatch while I wait for that to happen. I'm also recording stuff today so not sure when I'll be back but I will be back for EoD __________________ Facebook / Youtube / Twitter .

02-21-2017, 02:54 PM	#1424
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 29 Posts: 961	Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread time for a goat guess for postgame credit that probably has 0-1/3 witch/xel/roundbox __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

02-21-2017, 02:57 PM	#1427
Hakulyte the Haku Join Date: Jul 2005 Age: 37 Posts: 4,539	Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread Do you want me to quote you saying you would read my wolf games? lol ShadoWolfe __________________

02-21-2017, 03:00 PM	#1433
XelNya [Nobody liked that.] Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,368	Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread In fact I'm just gonna go over your posts while I'm at lunch. I know I don't have the time to do it now and finish sadly

02-21-2017, 03:02 PM	#1436
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 29 Posts: 961	Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread I don't have a concrete case for why xel is scum outside of what I've told you: he's meh this game to me (this is a meta read and you'll have to deal with it) his focus on people townreading shado is very strange and I'm not really following how it comes from a town perspective. he had a post where he said something along the lines of "I don't see how anyone can be wolfreading shado besides mellon/raeko" do I need more? I think it'd be nice, but no, I don't think I need more. yes, I can convince people to scumread and lynch people without what you'd consider a case. literally one scummy post is all you need to get people lynched in some cases, it's really not that hard. I did it to MML as he just mentioned off of one post that I made and his one post response (or in this case, the lack of a response) and lynched him. see? not hard. I'm not so stupid to just scumread someone because they straight up aren't there, but when people actively avoid questions that are generating the pressure then it's nagl and generally turns into a scumread, yes. town generally have an easier time answering questions than wolves do so it's more effective than you might think __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

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