Looking for Opinions

DoroFuyutsuki · 01-31-2017, 06:31 PM

Hey Everyone!

Long time FFR / Stepmania / Rhythm Gamer here looking for YOUR opinion (wow, my account was last visited 7-21-2005).

I'm trying to get back in shape so I'm making a controller interface for a step platform to my PC.

What do you think is the highest difficulty song on FFR that can REASONABLY be played by physical feet?

As a side note, do you believe that jumps / trips / quads inserted into streams are "Artificial Difficulty?" A couple of my friends and I are having this debate and I'd like some outside opinions.

Best,
Doro

**MooMoo_Cowfreak** · 01-31-2017, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DoroFuyutsuki

As a side note, do you believe that jumps / trips / quads inserted into streams are "Artificial Difficulty?" A couple of my friends and I are having this debate and I'd like some outside opinions.

Hell no is jumpstream artificial difficulty. Jumpstream highlights other aspects of the song as you play and can create some incredible rhythms through smart layering. Jumpstream isn't just not artificial difficulty, it's an essential part of the game that you must learn in order to get better. It's very real difficulty that you must master.

contrapatior · 02-1-2017, 09:46 AM

yea when I started out, jumpstream and heavy jacks and basically anything that's "easy" nowadays was arbitrarily hard. but as I became better and was able to focus on the song as well as the notes I would hear what the jumpstream was associated with. the only style of charts that are "arbitrary" or "artificial" are dump charts and even then those have a way of being bad or good, but its more of a meta reason.

basically, just keep practicing and strengthen your muscle memory and you'll soon realize how to hit certain patterns and why those patterns were used in the first place

**Dinglesberry** · 02-1-2017, 10:12 AM

Personally I encourage you to follow through with your pad god dreams, I believe in you.

I feel like the highest level of song that could be realistically played would be like, Flight of the Bumblebee... you could probably get to d4 or d5 on pad if you were really good just by cherry picking stream songs, imo

**Dynam0** · 02-1-2017, 11:12 AM

Jumpstream is really intended for keyboard play. On pad it is obnoxious and results in double stepping or bracketing and both techniques don't really accomplish the intention of jumps. I would agree that it's a form of artificial difficulty at higher speeds.

Classically though, having a section start or end on a jump is pretty typical and makes the player really stomp that one spot hence giving it substance.

I'm no expert on what's playable on pad tho rip

**Dinglesberry** · 02-1-2017, 11:44 AM

The first biggest issue you are going to run in to is the fact that you can't hold down notes without it giving you a bunch of boos (so you can't stand on a panel), but I think watching you tip toe between the panels trying to avoid standing on one would be hilarious, so I definitely support this goal.

**gold stinger** · 02-1-2017, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dinglesberry

The first biggest issue you are going to run in to is the fact that you can't hold down notes without it giving you a bunch of boos (so you can't stand on a panel), but I think watching you tip toe between the panels trying to avoid standing on one would be hilarious, so I definitely support this goal.

If I recall correctly you don't get that issue when using the R^3 engine. It is a thing in all engines that are R^2 and earlier though.

DoroFuyutsuki · 02-1-2017, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MooMoo_Cowfreak

Hell no is jumpstream artificial difficulty. Jumpstream highlights other aspects of the song as you play and can create some incredible rhythms through smart layering. Jumpstream isn't just not artificial difficulty, it's an essential part of the game that you must learn in order to get better. It's very real difficulty that you must master.

This is pretty much my stance. When I first started to see jumpstream my thought initially was "No way can you do this with your feet. This doesn't belong in the game." But then I started to realize that Stepmania / FFR was its own game and not just an extension of DDR / ITG. In the context of "fingerplay" (ooooh that sounds dirty lol) Jumpstream and Jacks have context... it's not an opinion that my friends like or agree with. Good to know I'm not alone.

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Originally Posted by Dinglesberry

Personally I encourage you to follow through with your pad god dreams, I believe in you.

I feel like the highest level of song that could be realistically played would be like, Flight of the Bumblebee... you could probably get to d4 or d5 on pad if you were really good just by cherry picking stream songs, imo

Thank you!

I appreciate all your feedback guys.

dadcop2 · 02-1-2017, 07:41 PM

jumpstream on pad is mostly doable until you get up+down or left+right jumps. those would require some really weird movement in some cases but other jumps you could bracket

**rushyrulz** · 02-1-2017, 08:07 PM

ffrmania's arcade genre is all pad packs iirc. Send me a pm or whatever if you wanna get that set up. As far as main FFR charts go, I think Vertex BETA is paddable?

**Walrusizer** · 02-1-2017, 08:14 PM

the streams in vertex beta would be doable on either 1.3 or maybe even 1.4 on pad i think

01-31-2017, 06:31 PM	#1
DoroFuyutsuki FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 19	Looking for Opinions Hey Everyone! Long time FFR / Stepmania / Rhythm Gamer here looking for YOUR opinion (wow, my account was last visited 7-21-2005). I'm trying to get back in shape so I'm making a controller interface for a step platform to my PC. What do you think is the highest difficulty song on FFR that can REASONABLY be played by physical feet? As a side note, do you believe that jumps / trips / quads inserted into streams are "Artificial Difficulty?" A couple of my friends and I are having this debate and I'd like some outside opinions. Best, Doro

02-1-2017, 09:46 AM	#3
contrapatior Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 191	Re: Looking for Opinions yea when I started out, jumpstream and heavy jacks and basically anything that's "easy" nowadays was arbitrarily hard. but as I became better and was able to focus on the song as well as the notes I would hear what the jumpstream was associated with. the only style of charts that are "arbitrary" or "artificial" are dump charts and even then those have a way of being bad or good, but its more of a meta reason. basically, just keep practicing and strengthen your muscle memory and you'll soon realize how to hit certain patterns and why those patterns were used in the first place

02-1-2017, 10:12 AM	#4
Dinglesberry longing Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,680	Re: Looking for Opinions Personally I encourage you to follow through with your pad god dreams, I believe in you. I feel like the highest level of song that could be realistically played would be like, Flight of the Bumblebee... you could probably get to d4 or d5 on pad if you were really good just by cherry picking stream songs, imo Last edited by Dinglesberry; 02-1-2017 at 11:44 AM..

02-1-2017, 11:12 AM	#5
Dynam0 The Dominator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Bay, ON Age: 34 Posts: 8,987	Re: Looking for Opinions Jumpstream is really intended for keyboard play. On pad it is obnoxious and results in double stepping or bracketing and both techniques don't really accomplish the intention of jumps. I would agree that it's a form of artificial difficulty at higher speeds. Classically though, having a section start or end on a jump is pretty typical and makes the player really stomp that one spot hence giving it substance. I'm no expert on what's playable on pad tho rip

02-1-2017, 11:44 AM	#6
Dinglesberry longing Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,680	Re: Looking for Opinions The first biggest issue you are going to run in to is the fact that you can't hold down notes without it giving you a bunch of boos (so you can't stand on a panel), but I think watching you tip toe between the panels trying to avoid standing on one would be hilarious, so I definitely support this goal. Last edited by Dinglesberry; 02-1-2017 at 11:44 AM..

02-1-2017, 07:41 PM	#9
dadcop2 FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 229	Re: Looking for Opinions jumpstream on pad is mostly doable until you get up+down or left+right jumps. those would require some really weird movement in some cases but other jumps you could bracket

02-1-2017, 08:07 PM	#10
rushyrulz Digital Dancing! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 80 billion club, NE Age: 31 Posts: 12,981	Re: Looking for Opinions ffrmania's arcade genre is all pad packs iirc. Send me a pm or whatever if you wanna get that set up. As far as main FFR charts go, I think Vertex BETA is paddable? __________________

02-1-2017, 08:14 PM	#11
Walrusizer D7 Elite Keymasher Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,080	Re: Looking for Opinions the streams in vertex beta would be doable on either 1.3 or maybe even 1.4 on pad i think __________________ is expressing my inability to create a creative signature an act of creativity in and of itself? Last edited by Walrusizer; 02-1-2017 at 08:15 PM..

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