TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

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Originally Posted by XelNya

Anyways, let me preface this post super hard with one important statement.

I think this post has some angle shooting in it. I note where it is rather clearly. If you don't agree with me because of that, I'm fine with that. I also accept that I could be very wrong because of it.

This post has a spoiler.
So you can't miss it.

Alright. Let's talk about DBP for a little bit.

Let's get this out the way: I think Psycho is the serial killer. Why? Not particularly because of what she's done and let me explain why.

From my POV mechanically The SK and town's interests line up until either the final wolf is alive, or till final four or so. There is zero reason at any time till immensely late game to not just play super solid town. With this in mind, denote that Psychoangel has done some of the most townie and awesome things she could since she replaced in. Is this a reason to see her as SK? No. But do I think we can just hand out town reads anymore? No as well. In fact I personally think some of the strongest towns need to be considered as the SK for this reason.

Anyways onto DBP. DBP is a player who has a notable wolf tell in how he posts. Did his day 0 contain this tell?

I think no, it didn't. Let me go over why.

His day starts off as regular shit-posting. Now DBP can roll with some shit, that's not an issue.

Then he gets in and starts ctaching up on the game. To which he makes this post:



This is a townie post. He's already jumpin' in, getting shit going.

Now let's touch on some other posts that were my tell d0 that dbp was town. I don't really wanna talk about 'em too much because I wanna go play some fire emblem. I also think we'll be able to nab the wolf pretty quickly after the SK, and I'd personally get the SK out of the way.

STRONG call ping on precarious here. Like the point of this post is to say "yeah 'kay you posted a big post, but it's just commentary, where you stand out of it?"



The strong part of this post is that he's pretty much killing Precarious. Like tbh the fact we didn't go after Precarious hard after this is kinda... Not great.

Anyways. The issue I think I remember some people had is that dbp really hard tapered off. Now I'll agree, that's kinda what his wolf tell is. The issue is that I feel his earlier push on precarious were solid enough to not throw him into the scum meta.

One more post to kinda plop DBP into my "this wasn't his scum meta" is this post. Especially with the hindsight of Haku / Juckster being actual wolves.



Scum dankpack stops posting. "Town" packback doesn't. From WHAT I RECALL the way scum packback reacts here would instead to just softly surrender. That's not what he does.

Especially when he comes back and:

Short hand is: The way dbp tapers off isn't his wolf tell, and neither is his tone all game for that matter. However, he does taper off in a way uncharacteristic of him IMHO. But when he's SK he'd play solid town because I know he's done that before. He'd just scum hunt like any other game till the end he'd be pretty fine.

Let's go to Psycho now because talking about JUST dbp isn't fair.

To short hand her entire history of this game simply: TOWNIE. AS. FUCK. With minimum lazy. Actually without dbp I probably'd have her as one of my highest town reads.

Can't say this surprises me. Or really affects what I think, but this rly could be a "oh boy what did I sign up for" post.

Not saying it is, just trying to taint your thoughts a bit. /sarcasm MML makes some comment about it being a possible "premtive defense of herself" Which I can see is a possible outcome for why that post was made.

But then.



This post.

Let's talk about this post, because it has some value, I think.

She starts with explaining why she made the post.

But my issue with this literal first sentence is...

Doesn't she already know her role by now?

"It was the fact that I came to see who I was replacing and feeling dread that it was DBP" Is written like she didn't know what her role was coming into the thread.

Now I'm NOT going to discuss what her PM is. But let me be frank: On FFR when you get asked to replace someone and you agree, you get told what their role was.

Why would you be coming into the game to see who you were replacing? Surely you knew before that first post, because you NEED to know who you're replacing's role before you can do anything in the game. And two minutes (after AA announced you were in the game) is enough time to read your role and post what you said.

NOW. I feel this is possible angle shooting to confirm what I suspected before she replaced in. (As denoted by me asking Haku, "hey did you reach the same conclusion on dbp I did?")

Do I feel the rest of her game is scum hunting? YES ABSOLUTELY. There's fucking gold mines:



I could fucking quote some posts. But there's some ups and downs and inconsistancies.



There's SO MUCH detail in this post. Compared to say:



Like I KNOW she's a busy person, doing tons of stuff, especially with two kids to take care of (I hope they're doing well btw ) but... Why not explain your town lean as well as your scum lean and help out your fellow town?

Like the ones closer to the actual EoD I understand, but not this particular one. It feels, a little bit like, you're padding your content, just like, I am padding this sentence.

Let's finally go over why I think her saying "Hey shoot haku" can't be leaned as townie.

I think Psycho was pretty sure Haku was a wolf and made a gamble. Here's why.

This particular set of posts, is totally a bussing slip on Haku's part BROUGHT TO YOU BY HINDSIGHT for being identifiable.



Oh and this is a shitty explanation.



Might be worth talking about this particular post a little, but I'm not sure if I think it's relevant or not.

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And we finally arrive at my conclusion to why this post:



Is bad, sells me that I wasn't wrong, along with all that I said.

Is the opportunistic nature of this post, given EVERYTHING I just said.

Psychoangel

Read this post Charu, this is where I'm really finding Xel to be anti-town.