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[danceflashrevo]

how i feel

[danceflashrevo]

how i feel

[_Zenith_]

Hey cmon, post some content fam.

[danceflashrevo]

Now, regarding Shado's claim, I do agree with Charu that a potential Vengeful should not CC, however I disagree that Shado not claiming yesterday was weird, because if I read the timestamps correctly, the wagon on Shado happened literally one minute before EoD. Also, would it be worth it for a Vig to counterclaim if Shado is lying? I think it is, but I don't really have an analysis that can back that up. That being said, though I won't buy Shado's claim 100% today, even if he isn't counterclaimed, I don't think he should be lynched today.[/quote]

Maybe I'm misreading this but this literally contradicts itself (I bolded what was contradictory). However this could be because it was a phone post he mistyped. Or again I'm misreading.

But in post #1170 he puts himself out there trying to get a question answered from precarious which he later reads as town before precarious answers. I find that extremely townie because he asks a question to get an answer to a potentially scummy play.

I would've continued this but haku posted a collective juckter thing which would basically be me parroting it. I've townread him all game, I have no reason to change that.

Except... he's been absent for bad reasons but idk if I'd really let that factor too much because I kinda run the same thing if I leave the tab open on my computer or my phone. And if he's on his phone doing stuff (which he has mentioned phone posting), then the site would be open if his browsers open in the background whether on wifi or data. But... rereading his last post isn't helping my nerves with it, and the fact he literally hasn't said anything else is really disappointing to say the least.

thoughts on juckter although a lot of it is masked by him showing up and posting one thing and literally idling the thread at EoD now, which is really disappointing because i had him town all game except now i feel forced to have him as wolf

[danceflashrevo]

i'm glad i fucked that quote up.

[danceflashrevo]

mml thoughts - he came in interestingly, but it's how i remember him playing from the last turbo. plus i thought aj was townie so that puts him as town.

[_Zenith_]

Why did you copypasta that now and not earlier?

[danceflashrevo]

did roundbox have an alibi for being gone btw?

zenith i've always read you as town this game, haku i still feel like it's town haku, and i don't see that changing anytime soon unless something drastic happens.

[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Why did you copypasta that now and not earlier?

because i had a notepad of reads that i was gonna paste and then it turned into everyones town everyones a winner yay DD

so i kinda gave up on it, but now i'm just trying to put out thoughts i had.

[Hakulyte]

I don't think so, he just went MIA out of nowhere. I'm expecting him to come back soon.

[Precarious]

Still iso'ing Haku. Some highlights from the most recent 50:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

@ Zenith quoting my early game

Well, I guess if you take the entirety of everything I say out of context like that, I can guarantee that it will make me look bad. You can come up to a similar conclusion for all my games because I don't tend to play properly and still leave a lot of these type of posts.

As for ShadoWolfe, you're targeting him for the exact same reason that I've kept mislynching him. We don't all play the same way and if you don't realize that, well fml. Also, afaik, no one counterclaimed him yet and the only person who didn't read his claim is botchi. (well, unless other players don't fully read the thread)

I believe wolf ShadoWolfe would be even more greedy than this current one. I know he has quite the attitude, but I don't think he broke his town quota yet.

This is the exact sort of post that makes me so uncertain about you, Haku. The first part is, as has been somewhat consistently, overdefensive, and attempts to use questionable play as an excuse for being viewed suspiciously.

But the second half is good. It's both aware of other players' playstyles, and it's self-aware. Yes, it's easy to town-read a non-CCed role claim, but this feels sincere.

***

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

So, you're shooting me for doing my job as town and trying to evolve from my self-destructing meta that usually leads to making me die Day 1.

Great.

I'm not familiar with your play prior to the canceled games, but this feels overdefensive again. Only this time, rather than use the "well, my play is bad," you say "I'm trying to improve." I should probably say that I don't think you're as bad as you do--part of my uncertainty with you is that there have been some very insightful posts mixed in your oeuvre, sincere or not--but you're using your self-diagnosis as a defense...until it's not convenient to do so.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Fine. :/

unvote

And then there's this. It's hard not to read this as you being browbeaten into removing a vote. The thing is, I don't see this as necessarily scummy, but again, you've reacted noticeably whenever you've been challenged on anything. It feels jumpy.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

D0 EoD was a big mess of "I don't know what I'm doing" and I had nothing particularly good to add to what has been said. I really don't know what to tell you outside of that.

I guess I should have posted "hello, I don't know what I'm doing, help" or something.

You keep falling back on this.

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I don't like XelNya's meta. (slightly more aggressive)
I don't like XelNya's tone. (less game-focussed)
I don't have a good impression of him overall.
I found zero direct content to back this up because I suck at reading comprehension or/and he's super self-aware of me and decided to make his play proofread so I can't do anything about him.
If you found something about him, please do tell me so we can discuss about it together.
I voted XelNya D0 and wasn't confident about being listened to so, I prefered to look for a better lynch and ended up not moving on from him due to coming back to him with PoE.
Just because I suck at making a case over him doesn't mean that I'm unconfident at pushing people. It just means that I suck at making a case about XelNya because he's outplaying me in terms of arguments due to experience.

Seems like you're voting of me for pretty much being myself or for pressuring me to say more which is in the latter case would be fine, but frustrating.

btw, I'm "objectively forced" to say he's town after a full read of his iso. I just hoped I could understand if it's because I'm biased/bad etc. or if everyone else also ended up with the same conclusion.

I almost skipped over mentioning this one, but I like this post. It's honest, and it tells me exactly how you feel about Xel and why. I'm not sure I'm convinced of your conclusion though--you basically decide he's town on a reread despite your concerns about tone and meta. It's hard for me to decide whether that overdefensiveness again or just an honest reevaluation--but I think it's the latter. There's as much danger in backtracking as there is in plowing forward, and this seems thoughtful while also frustrated.

Of course, you start passively going after Xel again soon after,

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Well, if you guys needed a wolf partner for XelNya, maybe there's one here. ^

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Maybe, but that's pointless unless we see XelNya's flip.

so who knows.

I left out some reads, but imo they were mostly decent, or at least there was reasoning there. But the most obvious thread to your play at this point (and I'm still iso'ing, to be fair), is that you overreact to virtually any time someone challenges you on anything or brings you into anything. Sometimes it offensive, usually it's defensive, but it's a clear trend.

[Hakulyte]

Are you having second thoughts about roundbox doing his "follow the vote" post?

[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Are you having second thoughts about roundbox doing his "follow the vote" post?

who is this directed to?

[Hakulyte]

Well, you and anyone who feels like talking about that.

[Precarious]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Are you having second thoughts about roundbox doing his "follow the vote" post?

I don't know if there was anything wrong with following the vote (in fact I strongly recommend doing so once there's more than one day of data), but it's strange that someone who harped so much on how bad EoD was would be gone for the next one.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Precarious

I left out some reads, but imo they were mostly decent, or at least there was reasoning there. But the most obvious thread to your play at this point (and I'm still iso'ing, to be fair), is that you overreact to virtually any time someone challenges you on anything or brings you into anything. Sometimes it offensive, usually it's defensive, but it's a clear trend.

Well, I need to defend myself, but I also need to try to find wolves by playing more aggressively.

You've seen my read list, it's kind of bland and there's still many "maybes" in it.

You probably know that I'm not the best at arguing so, that's how I'm trying to approach this situation in general.

[Hakulyte]

This phase ends in 40min. It's a little alarming that no one else is posting. It's reminding me of the previous phase.

[psychoangel691]

I'm here poking around a bit. As of right now with what info I do have it would be between juckter, DFR and Haku for me, with a bigger lean towards juckter because I'm really not feeling the excuses while throwing a few low content posts in here and there.

[MixMasterLar]

Ok, overslept and still kind of sure but no more headache and I'm not crashing from a 5-hour energy shot. We got an hour til EoD and looks like there's more then three of us posting this time

Lets do it

Charu and Shado remain uncountered so off the table they go.

Zenith coming at me like that is probably not wolf Zenith because while he is an aggressive wolf, he only really aggros when pushed. For him to be poking te bear looks good on him. What doesn't look good is he basically just went lol shit tier" as his core logic instead of trying to explain/reason/show anything, buuut Zenith ain't really known for being a stella town player. Meta makes me feel alright with removing him from the table tonight

Xel I kind of soft defended last night as I thought he was getting a real bum deal, but other then finally getting Charu to admit that he doesn't read posts, he hasn't really brought alot. I 100% expected to shift through a fury of Xel rants but that did't happen and I don't know what to think about it.

Haku....Yeah opinion has not changed sorry. I know Haku has put in alot of work going through Turbo V but to be frank the lesson I learned from that same game is that wolf Haku can totally make huge post when she's the corner wolf. I'm pretty ok with considering Haku.

Precarious is being read hardcore town it looks like (except by Haku?) But tbh I don't know if I can read the guy. Especially in the early game most of his post where pretty null and defending the life of being pretty null over gut-controlled. I like his general reason for voting DFR though, which brings me to

DFR being so not involved I keep forgetting they are in the game. Maybe I'm missing all the good DFR post idk. I wouldn't feel good voting for him because I dont know if he's acting wolfy but I can not defend him either. If it wasnt so late I would ISO his post but it'll have to wait for doing the night---i wanna see EoD in real time. I probably won't vote him but you guys do you.

Raeko I haven't changed on. I think she's pretty much acting in character and if she was wolf there would be a tell by now. Then again, first game with her I think: I am basing this on her post in TGB. Call it gut but I think she's alright.

I don't know if I like roundbox. He wants town to put in more effort but other then FoLlOw Ze vOteS most of his content was saying Town should put in more effort. I wanna see what he has in store for our EoD but I would consider a vote on him. Well except

Pyscho can of got a raw deal with getting DPB's slot. I basically read DPB has wolf since well before I subbed and with all my points I made doing my, ahem, extended conversation with Charu I feel I have enough reason to call him my top scum. Psycho is doing good checking in with us from time to time but ehhhhh sorry man, that's how I feel about.

[XelNya]

Im thinkin of voting dfr