TWG CLIX: Form your special exclusive groups now! - Game Thread

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Oh, I might just shoot Zenith to shoot Zenith, so will the real Zenith please speak up?

Dude nice

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Just realized you've been invisible to me, hence the callout. I saw some posts earlier, will have to re-read them when I get back.

Alright, that's all for now, folks!

Am I really invisible? I shouldn't be

[Charu]

Watch out bro, he's got a gun.

[Charu]

Because he's a manipulating wolf fook

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by Charu

Watch out bro, he's got a gun.

Dude nice × 2

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

That answer your question, Haku?

That's okay from a general point of view. More curious about top scum and why, but I feel like that's going to change by the end of this phase because we both have a pile of Nulls.

Going back to rereading like I promised yesterday.

Also, I don't think you should shoot Roundbox.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Okay, clearly shit got really bad very fast. Mislynch + 2 NKs mean we're at 12 players, 8 town-aligned, 3 scum-aligned, and one SK. Needless to say, this is really dangerous because we still have two killing powers per night, and quite possibly a third that will come in play.

There's still an off-chance that there's an asceticizer who's been scared to come out, and, if that's the case, I think they should stay hidden for the meantime. They've effectively become a doctor, now that the cop is dead, and they can continue issuing saves every night. If they eventually die, Charu will be lynched the following day. I know this is a stretch, but IF this is the case and you survive until then, then make sure to claim by D4 to avoid causing a clusterfuck at MYLO/LYLO.

There are those of you who think I'm overly aggressive, with freezin even calling me a bully. I ask that you try to see things from my perspective. I'm often snarky and occasionally sardonic, but I'm no bully. I respond when insulted, but that's usually the only time I'll go out of my way to insult someone. Most of my ad hominem attacks in this game were in the inDheart interaction, but I feel that was reactionary on my part. He called me sociopathic, so I responded with "get wrecked, son". He then said that he's glad to see that all my reads he's seen in turbos were shit and he's glad to see nothing's changed. That got under my skin even more, so I went off on him and got a bit tunnel-visioned, I'll admit. Please note, though, that he had his share of ad-hominems as well and, in my opinion, started the whole thing by calling me sociopathic. With that said, I don't think I'm even close to the most offensive or aggressive person in thread. I mean, if me saying "get wrecked, son" was bad, then Charu calling me "bitch" kind of takes the cake on that, no? I chalked it up to his mindless obsession with "alphas", but it is what it is. In terms of aggressiveness with posts, I do like to push and prod and question people's reasoning behind their actions, sometimes even just to examine their reaction. That's enough writing about me though, back to the game:

I've been debating while reading, and while typing this all up, whether or not to claim. I will, because (assuming Charu is true bodyguard and there's no asceticizer) we need as many clears as possible. Therefore, I hardclaim 1-shot Vigi. I will use my shot this upcoming nightphase, and will likely be dead by morning as I will have cleared myself by shooting stated target, with the result being three NKS. Charu, don't bother saving me if you're actually the bodyguard. You probably wouldn't have anyways, but you're more valuable as an unkillable clear than I'll be as a VT clear (after my shot is used).

I'm still deciding who to shoot, and will be keeping my options open for the remainder of this day phase. Right now, though, I'm thinking there's multiple wolves in Botchi, DBP, Juckter, and roundbox. Roundbox is likelier to be SK, imo, but we'll see. XelNya is also a definite possiblity here, as even calling his contributions thus far "lackluster" would be giving them too much credit. Charu is also a possibility (albeit a small one because of the inherent risks of shooting a bulletproof claim), considering that he could very easily be a wolf who thought it a fair trade to get rid of bulletproof bodyguard/asceticizer if they had CCed. Mellon also needs to post more asap, or I'll shoot her without hesitance or remorse for whatever her flip might be.


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Also, Charu, I hate to break it to you, but you're as wrong as I am, so far. You know, as in, dead wrong. You're at 0/2 for your "90% sure" wolves, and I am too. Difference is, I didn't have any 90% sure wolves, and I had to vote Freez for self-preservation. Get wrecked, son, your reads this game have been garbage. You know, like absolutely shit reads. Get off your high horse or sybian or whatever the fuck it is you're on and reassess this whole game, assuming you're not a wolf bitch. Oh, now that I think about it, I remember that Shakira actually made a song about you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHHTXZZEjYg

You're not playing your role right if you actually shoot charu with zero reason to consider his first post of the game a lie. I find it really hard as a person who has played a lot with Charu, that he would make such a post both unless he mechanically felt it required, and if he felt it was a requirement to win the game. There's NOTHING wrong about that first post because if he's scum he earned his win for having the balls to post that FIRST THING, knowing a direct counterclaim means one of them die. It's a good trade, but only if Charu was magically the vanilla wolf.

You have zero reason to even consider charu as a shot target, and if you shoot him any time soon, you're both wasting time and making a LARGE mistake. I'm going through what I missed while I slept now, but this needs to be said before literally ANYTHING else. I have NO IDEA why you'd consider this.

[roundbox]

One of my townreads is trending downwards
Will revisit this in 24 hours

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

Also, I don't think you should shoot Roundbox.

Why, Haku?

Originally Posted by XelNya

You're not playing your role right if you actually shoot charu with zero reason to consider his first post of the game a lie. I find it really hard as a person who has played a lot with Charu, that he would make such a post both unless he mechanically felt it required, and if he felt it was a requirement to win the game. There's NOTHING wrong about that first post because if he's scum he earned his win for having the balls to post that FIRST THING, knowing a direct counterclaim means one of them die. It's a good trade, but only if Charu was magically the vanilla wolf.

You have zero reason to even consider charu as a shot target, and if you shoot him any time soon, you're both wasting time and making a LARGE mistake. I'm going through what I missed while I slept now, but this needs to be said before literally ANYTHING else. I have NO IDEA why you'd consider this.

I'm playing my role right if I consider every single possiblity for my shot. As I noted, Charu isn't likely, but he has to be considered because of the small possibility that Asceticizer actually exists and is still in hiding. You say, "It's a good trade, but only if Charu was magically the vanilla wolf". Yes, this is exactly what I'm afraid of. As town, you really have to analyze each player individually, and think of the reasoning for their actions from the perspective that they're wolf, then from the perspective that they're town. You have to make it your job to think about every possible world that could arise in a game. For Charu, think about it like this:

Charu rolls vanilla wolf. He looks at the setup and realizes that Bulletproof Bodyguard will be a pain in his wolf derriere. He thinks about this all night, and decides on the fluffiest, featheriest, brilliantest, god-darned god-danged plan EVER, if he does say so himself! With a Dohoho, and a HEE HEE HEE, he begins to write his intro post.

What's this plan, you ask?

Well, if the Bulletproof Bodyguard is such a pain, then surely the Charu can do something about it, no? Charu will therefore claim Bulletproof himself, FIRST, confident in the fact that he'd be able to get the bulletproof lynched first if they counterclaim, and knowing that he'd get lynched the following day if this is the case. BUT, he reasons, he'd be sacrificing himself as Vanilla Wolf for the Bulletproof Bodyguard, as well as two other towns. HEE HEE HEE.

There's an even better upside to this, he reasons to himself with a dastardly grin on his face, HE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE CCED AT ALL! If there's an Ascetecizer, they likely don't want to out themselves D0, and so his claim will go untouched and he will attain invincibility! OH GEE, is this bird paradise or what?! He then finishes typing up the intro post, and the rest is history.

See? Definitely a possible world. Don't go out of your way to defend Charu by narrowing your vision, XelNya, it doesn't make you look townier.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Why, Haku?

I'm town reading him since my interaction with him at the beginning of Day 2. He wasn't really active yesterday, but he did come back and did what he said he would do so, that's largely compensated. These two situations together put him in a much better spot for me now. He followed his logic and I had the chance to test his tone as well and it looked genuine enough for me even if we mostly throwed jabs at each others.

[roundbox]

Shado the bodyguard is much more of a concern to the SK rather than the wolves since parity is a thing. If he really was the villa wolf it would be in his best interest to play his normal wolf game and not do the silliest gambit ever

If you're both wolves then I'm gonna throw a hissy fit, but I don't think that's gonna happen

Maybe I'll do a follow the vote today or tomorrow

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Charu

So how 'bout you go in the street and get run over by a passing semi, eh? That'll save town the trouble of having to lynch you to the ground.

Holy fuck Charu

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Now for Xel, he's interesting to me. Imo, he's been extremely middle ground. Saw him shitpost a little bit, and I saw in like two posts he changed to actually contributing but hovers between the two. It's a bit strange at the moment.

Maybe before I continue I should do isolations because that catching up wasn't satisfactory and it's getting on my nerves.

You should try one of my quote heavy rereads of a person and see if that helps you (assuming you can get to a PC because it's SO MUCH easier when you have context for the quotes.)

Originally Posted by Charu

Same thing for Haku, he's got some nice gems in the midst of his stupidity.

How he transitioned to playing good is curious tho

Originally Posted by Charu

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, I just asked the SK to help us. Fucking LOL, am I right?

lol

Originally Posted by Charu

Actually, the more I think about it, we shouldn't even think about the SK still if all goes to shit and the wolves haven't lost a player.

I'm not sure I follow this properly tbh.

Originally Posted by Charu

Hmm... pressure on backpack doesn't sound too bad either now that I ISO'd him

My mind has changed on packback a bit in that he still hasn't come back the way I was speculating he would. I expected a hard hitting post when he came bnack and decided talking about something non twg related was better?

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Just mildly skimmed an isolation of Xel and DBP

Both are real interesting as fuck to me but I have at least one thing to say about both:

Xel had a really bad pocket post towards charu that made me laugh, alongside another with anger that might be arbitrary?? That one felt a tad forced but don't take this statement serious until I actually do isolations.

We can talk about it more after you finish your full "proper" iso, but I am not sure what this pocket you refer to is about if I'm honest with you. I know it has to be me trying to pocket charu, but I don't think anything I said in this game leads to that possibility. If it's that i think discussing Charu is pointless, it's because it is till later in the game both logically and mechanically. And that'd really only be the case imho if charu either got counter claimed or was leading all the lynches and nabbed the cop or the vengeful / 1 shot.

I dunno if that's important to say or not.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

Oh, I might just shoot Zenith to shoot Zenith, so will the real Zenith please speak up?

Shooting Zenith is bad, you're much better off shooting me than Zenith, look at the work that man's putting in fam.

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'm playing my role right if I consider every single possiblity for my shot

Shooting Charu is a shit idea because of Charu as a player. If this were a discussion on Tokzic, I'd actually be behind you and saying do it. Maybe even if it was Xiz. But Charu is a player that despite trolling puts winning first, and I don't think what Charu said in post one as a scum oriented role is a winning tactic, and is such a small chance of being one, that charu would never take it, unless he REALLY wanted a challenging game. Also every possibility as a shot is again the wrong interpretation. It should be "what shot benefits the rest of my comrades, and when?"

I think your best shots are in this pile AND ONLY this pile.

5. danceflashgun (danceflashrevo)
9. DaKnapsack (DaBackpack)
12. ho246 (botchi246)
13. Sell?Nah (XelNya)
14. Lucker1 (Juckter1)
15. melanxcholy (mellonxcollie)
I'd only justify a Zenith shot is if he fails to deliver the rest

And to be frank I think the best three are probably: dbp, me and melon pending dfr pressure response.

I can go into the zenith being bad when I get home but let's just say he's taking the whole perspective of town in with his isos, no players are being left alone in other words.

[roundbox]

Why don't you want me in the shoot list Xelnya?

Also, if an Asceticizer exists and they're lynched or night killed (VERY, VERY POSSIBLE WITH 2KP, POTENTIALLY 3), Charu is completely outed and that is a complete waste of a player slot of said PR was killed through the normal progression of the game rather than being a whole debate over which claim is legitimate

Charu also would have to had made this decision independent of the wolves since they have no pregame discussion (it's not stated that they do, so if you think this is a slip I'm gonna bop you).

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Shooting Charu is a shit idea because of Charu as a player. If this were a discussion on Tokzic, I'd actually be behind you and saying do it. Maybe even if it was Xiz. But Charu is a player that despite trolling puts winning first, and I don't think what Charu said in post one as a scum oriented role is a winning tactic, and is such a small chance of being one, that charu would never take it, unless he REALLY wanted a challenging game. Also every possibility as a shot is again the wrong interpretation. It should be "what shot benefits the rest of my comrades, and when?"

I think your best shots are in this pile AND ONLY this pile.

5. danceflashgun (danceflashrevo)
9. DaKnapsack (DaBackpack)
12. ho246 (botchi246)
13. Sell?Nah (XelNya)
14. Lucker1 (Juckter1)
15. melanxcholy (mellonxcollie)
I'd only justify a Zenith shot is if he fails to deliver the rest

And to be frank I think the best three are probably: dbp, me and melon pending dfr pressure response.

I can go into the zenith being bad when I get home but let's just say he's taking the whole perspective of town in with his isos, no players are being left alone in other words.

That... is actually a great pile. Has the my top picks, the wolfiest players, the nullest players, and yourself. Roundbox is far from out of that pile, but yes, good pile nonetheless. Still, I'll continue to consider everyone, including the Charuzard, til EoD.

Do re mi fa so la te dooooo

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Why don't you want me in the shoot list Xelnya?

Great question.

Originally Posted by roundbox

Also, if an Asceticizer exists and they're lynched or night killed (VERY, VERY POSSIBLE WITH 2KP, POTENTIALLY 3), Charu is completely outed and that is a complete waste of a player slot of said PR was killed through the normal progression of the game rather than being a whole debate over which claim is legitimate

Yes, hence my believing his claim D0 and noting that there's only a very small chance of this other world. Also what I noted in my claimpost. But yeah, I get that.

Originally Posted by roundbox

Charu also would have to had made this decision independent of the wolves since they have no pregame discussion (it's not stated that they do, so if you think this is a slip I'm gonna bop you).

lol Yeah no, that can't be a slip. TWG is Daystart unless stated otherwise, which is why I always laugh when people accuse others of being coached D0, or having done foreplanning with other wolves D0.

[Hakulyte]

I'm surprised I'm not in XelNya's shooting list too considering how he's been viewing me the entire game.

[Charu]

My wolf team mates actually congratulated me first night by the way

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Charu

My wolf team mates actually congratulated me first night by the way

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by Charu

My wolf team mates actually congratulated me first night by the way

Lol you big ol' tease, you.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Charu

My wolf team mates actually congratulated me first night by the way