TWG CLV: Boats - Page 26

**XelNya** · 07-12-2016, 04:07 AM

Lemmie just steal your format for simplicity

1. tokzic

who the fuck are you again

2. charu

can't be fucked to grab quotes

but him going page by page and the rest in the in thread stuff feels good enough to town lean

3. AA

I dunno why AA's gettin' scum leans tbh, most every move in his game makes sense and shows an effort to hunt scum, even in PM's, and his massive attention on dankpack even make sense when you examine it like he has, like tbh I've been doubtin' dankpack, not enought o lynch him, but I totes see whjere AA is comin' from

In fact I'm willin' to state this game feels like a different dankpack to a point

4. arntonach

tbh I dunno anything on him. I wouldn't care if he was gone though tbh.

5. xiz

I'm willin' to lean that he's a third party inevitably, or scum

Forced gimmick leans me to the first, the tin foil leads me to the second for some reason, but even I could image xiz could work with a gimmick like this to be immensely more productive than he currently is, because it's not really much different from my Yuru Yuri gif spamming I love to do, and as someone else mentioned, he posted in song lyrics once.

But I agree I'm willing to wait till next day to figure out how to deal with him. But for now lean him into the scum pile.

6. runescapedude

Les just turn this up a bit

runescapedude

les see were this goes

7. roundbox

town, wynaut

8. red blaster

I'm kinda curious what the deal is

9. storn

eod is gonna determine my lean on him

I wanna see shit

10. dabackpack

Let me be upfront: I'm town leaning Dankpack despite most anything else you'll see me say in logs or w/e. I'll show quotes that give me a lean to the town spectrum. HOWEVER. I am willing to entertain the notion that he may not be town, but you know, could be a random wincon. Scum too if someone hard meta-read him well enough.

Anyways, dankpack:

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Xiz are you only allowed to speak on Oglaf panels?

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

hella defensive?

Shado has been putting a fuckton of work into this game, which is not something I would expect out of somebody who was wolfing (esp. for the first time on this website)

he seems to have a real desire to figure out each of the players in this game

Xel is playing differently from usual I think, but his current play mirrors his common endgame towny play --- the really important thing to consider here is how able he is to maintain that attitude during the following phases. He tends to let it drop after the pool narrows down, but he's good for the time being imo

My drizzle read I'm taking back to null --- I thought she was behaving differently from... that game... but I was comparing later game information vs her D0 phase today, and on top of that she does make a hard defense similar to those she did in... that game... (even though it was on probably my highest town right now)

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this feels really important

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this too

11. MixMasterLar

Let me just quote myself, and reference something I will post again later

"mml isn't playing bad like, he's making good pings, keeping discussion rolling and isn't being so anti-thread"

this guy be huntin' boys

12. drizzleromancegirl

yer sittin' in the scum pile, and I really have nothing to add to this discussion other than that I agree with it and lynching you today isn't terrible

13. gradiant

I haven't talked with him and can't remember any of his posts

14. XelNya

Fuckin' scumma ass mother fucker ain't doin' shit, time will tell tho

TIME WILL TELL

15. ShadoWolfe

this guy is town

lemmie go into why, most of these will be quotes from him unless noted otherwise

1. We're somewhat mind melding

"You're the only one who's pointed out the same thing as my suspicions, so I figured we should at least talk"

2. He's being upfront with information

"You're a slight town lean but still unsure
You play well in the reference games I've read, so it could go either way"

"drg I think slipped up in the beginning and was acting super defensive, then went on the offense to cover her tracks
Aragaki I thought was town-lean but after a PM conversation I'm a little worried I was wrong"

3. He's inquisitive to hear other views than his own to develop his reads

"ShadoWolfe - Yesterday at 2:10 AM
Question:
What's your read on MML?

XelNya - Yesterday at 2:11 AM
mml isn't playing bad like, he's making good pings, keeping discussion rolling and isn't being so anti-thread
WHICH IS GREAT
last game had so much OOT that if you missed like zoom / discord video chats you were pretty much on the slate to die

ShadoWolfe - Yesterday at 2:13 AM
I'm glad is isn't like that, then! xD

XelNya - Yesterday at 2:13 AM
Like little details of his reads list"

"xD good
I'm getting the same read, but wanted to verify with you since I had you at basically null with a slight town lean"

Someone explain to me how this guy is scum leaned at all by anyone, this guy's fuckin' huntin'

take my town read for now fren you earned it

Anyways log dump:

**XelNya** · 07-12-2016, 04:08 AM

I'm now really tired and am gonna treat myself to possibly rearranging my room

ShadoWolfe · 07-12-2016, 04:59 AM

Just got back home, I gotta get up to date with the new posts, then I'll go a bit deeper with my reads here.

**MixMasterLar** · 07-12-2016, 05:48 AM

Ok guys I kind of owe you all an apology. I got pissed that I can't fucking read and then basically just logged right the hell off for the rest of the night.

That was immature, I'm sorry. I should have stayed on and just dealt with it.

Anyway I can't be on for much longer, and I don't have anything to add that I haven't already said so I'll copy Xel and post all my logs. Between that and my reads post you guys should know about where I am coming from.

Please keep in mind that these all happened at different times and I may have felt one way towards someone and changed my mind later.

**MixMasterLar** · 07-12-2016, 05:52 AM

Oh, and was going to wait until Driz got back and dug a deeper hole but she's totally lying about the extent of her conversations with Shado. My logs prove it, and hell even what Gradiant copied from our conversation proved it. She was entertaining the idea of teaming up with him pre game but decided to keep her distance after the rolls. Why she would decide to try and act like that little bit was all there was to it doesn't make sense and I don't feel bad parking a vote on her for it.

Plus, shit have you talked to Shado? I don't believe for a sec he had that short of a conversation rofl.

Anyway I'm going to sleep for 8 hours G'night

**drizzleRomanceGirl** · 07-12-2016, 06:07 AM

i'm not lying, i said that we barely talked since the game started

we did talk a lot before it started, but we only really talked about that was game related was teaming up for fun and he PMd me what game he thought this was from and we didn't end up teaming up anyway

**drizzleRomanceGirl** · 07-12-2016, 06:13 AM

also the only thing i posted where i defended myself from AA and apologized is that one post

i made a mistake in my accusations of him so i apologized, but that was only one post

**XelNya** · 07-12-2016, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by XelNya

I'm now really tired and am gonna treat myself to possibly rearranging my room

room90% done

why did I think doing this at like 2:30 in the morning was a good idea

**drizzleRomanceGirl** · 07-12-2016, 06:19 AM

Xiz, i don't think you've posted any reads or analysis about anyone, and it seems like you're only reacting to other people's posts

**drizzleRomanceGirl** · 07-12-2016, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by drizzleRomanceGirl

also the only thing i posted where i defended myself from AA and apologized is that one post

i made a mistake in my accusations of him so i apologized, but that was only one post

also, i only changed my accusation of him because i made most of the accusations without reading his post carefully enough, and he refuted most of the points i made

i'm still a little suspicious of him because of the way he posted so many reads based on private messages, but that's the only reason i find him suspicious, and i think Xiz is a lot more suspicious

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 07:32 AM

Not going to be able to respond properly to anything until I get home, but for now

mml, you basically think I'm a good/safe lynch because others are concerned about me, even though you don't think I'm particularly wolfy? It's just that "I could be red"

Think about that for a little, because you're spot on when you say that I'm a safe lynch, at least from your POV given how you just put that. Also, who are these people that are concerned? Logs (I may have missed them)?

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 07:55 AM

Oh there are the logs

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 08:01 AM

Point still stands though
Alright busy for 8 hours or so rip

ShadoWolfe · 07-12-2016, 09:11 AM

Okay words to start this post: words. Should this be short, medium, or long? Ahh this is more difficult than anticipated. Fuck. So tired. Whelp, I already said I'd do this so I can't just go to sleep... If there's questions on anything, I'll be happy to answer questions when I awaken in the afternoon.

1. ShadoWolfe

Moved myself to the top. Just where I like to be (:

2. charu

Was wary at first. Gut wolfread, then null, then started thinking town before reanalyzing. After talking to him and reviewing chat, slightly more than slight wolf-lean based on votes and fluff. Also wary because his points aren't nearly as articulate and logical as I know he can be. Really not a fan of your activity so far, buckaroo. You've posted a lot (in terms of postcount), but pretty blank in terms of content and no, "gut stuff" is not all anyone can do in round one. Wolves will slip up , and every post is useful. It took you 2/3rds of D0 to end before you'd even acknowledge reading the thread, and then were encouraging people with reads to start voting with 19 hours left on the clock. Why the rush? You'd think an experienced player would know that more time in the Day will cause more info to come out one way or another. Info is always good, especially in a mystery game like this, and especially since there's so many borderline inactives. Please step up the logic and attitude if you're town, It'd be nice to not have a huge question mark over a potentially big asset.

3. AA

Had a town lean for digging, albeit in his own way. After talking to him initially, I was worried my town opinion of him was wrong because he wasn't contributing much of substance, but kept prodding for more info. This later changed as his opinions changed and the content of his posts and votes reflected a potential hunter, and I now have him as slightly green. His reaction over the ish with drizz seemed genuine and made me feel better. This could change easily, however, as he's apparently a great wolf and could have been making a fuss to divert attention. Still, all in all, town lean and No Lynch D0.

4. arntonach

Don't have too much here, because there isn't much here. Automatic null for lack of content, but I really don't like the lack of ANY content of any kind. Like seriously. His first twelve posts are all jokes, and that's twelve out of fifteen posts total. The other three go in this order: defend Charu, and then two posts that are enigmatic as fuck. Like, Sherlock Holmes would overdose before figuring out what this shit means.

Arn post #12

Arn post #14

Arn post #15

5. xiz

Null. Has a history of meta-shenanigans with posts, but went out of the way to find relevant strips to crop that clearly expressed a relevant opinion on everything important. Not getting a bad feeling here, and I definitely wouldn't go for a D0 lynch on xiz unless something crazy revealing happens.

6. runescapedude

Null, slight wolf. If town, fuck him. This playstyle literally helps wolves more than townies, even if he does flip green. Needless insults and contentless bait and fluff for the 6 posts, until calling out MML for not initiating chats in discord in his seventh post. Where are your chats in discord, Zezima? Where's your initiative? Where's your contribution at all? Even well after the shitposting phase, you said in your eighth and most recent post that you were going to comment on AA, but keep it mild. You then proceeded to not mention anything about AA and fill that post with fluff that didn't even have anything to do with AA. Really bothered by you so far, trolling doesn't help town.

MML Dig

Aragaki "feedback"

inb4 "man I love it when my bait gets a response"

7. roundbox

Slight green, still forming my opinion on him but votes, logic, and willingness to contribute helpful reads makes me feel better about this one being green. No lynch D0.

8. red blaster

Nothing but conjecture here. He's an experienced player, so why isn't he here?

9. storn

Totes null. Even his votes and logs were null. I'd like to see a lot more content and reads coming from you before D0 finishes, storn (:

10. dabackpack

Fairly green, but not as convinced as I was earlier. His logic is sound, and his targets seem true, but he's smart enough to change his meta here during a mystery game and clever enough to be prepared to follow through with sticking to his town meta. Wouldn't be too difficult for him to have learned how to imitate town since his last game. Still, he was helpful with everyone except Charu, and was willing to contribute and collaborate. Slightly more than slightly green. Wouldn't go for a D0 lynch.

With that said, if drizzle flips green then there's a good chance DBP flips red.

11. MixMasterLar

My strongest green read atm. He's really digging, and is super active in thread and in PMs. He's consistent in his logic and his actions, and is just generally projecting green. Definitely wouldn't go for a D0 Lynch.

12. drizzleromancegirl

Read the logs below. I think she's red, but there's also that 15-20% that makes it still possible that I may have misread initially and she's just a nervous towny playing badly and defending herself poorly. I'm really hoping I'm wrong about her, but every time I lower her mafia score from 80% to 70% she bumps it right back up. Essentially, we had clicked before the game started and had a pretty long conversation about a variety of personal topics. One that that made an impression on me was her absolute sincerity and devotion to fairness. It was at the point where, when I shared with her the tip that the shiptype you choose in the PM might impact the role you were given, and linked a wiki article listing different types of ships that seemed very similar to mafia roles (the ship descriptions even included which ships were night-specialized like scum, seeker-oriented like trackers, bulletproof blue oriented, or just town), her response was extremely insistent on levelling the playing field by sharing the link and info with everyone else. I was against this suggestion, because I was no idea whether I was about to flip wolf or not and really didn't like the idea of spoiling whatever edge I might have started with. The idea of hiding it and using it to her advantage alone genuinely seemed to hurt her conscience, however, and so I agreed to let her share it on the condition that she not expose that I was the one who sent it to her, lest people wonder why I was only sharing info with her.
Our conversation ended with a fun agreement to team up once the game started. Given her persona, I expected an early PM to start the collaboration. Instead, she went cold and was reactive to things that weren't aimed at her (see pms for examples), then switched once called out and started trying to feign indifference, then went on the attack. When I tried reaching out to her, it took her seven hours (and several log ins and log outs) before she responded, and even that was hesitant. Also, the whole 15-20m conversation happened while she was on appear-offline.

Still, despite all the suspiciousness thus far, I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, drizzle. PLEASE, if you're town, talk to me or explain yourself a bit better in thread.

13. gradiant

Mostly null, potentially slight green lean because of other people's logs and seriousness of the few posts he did make. Wouldn't go for a D0 lynch unless some damning evidence turned up.

14. XelNya

Mostly green. Lots of hunting, lots of talking. Mostly solid logic. Slightly reactive, but that's not necessarily wolfish. Definitely not a D0 Lynch.

15. tokzic

Totally null. Where you at, bud? I know you're on the road, but 20 minutes at a rest stop and the discord app + tapatalk will keep you fully updated and participating in this game. Please get back to us. I'd avoid a D0 lynch here unless we were completely divided otherwise, but even then I'd be hesitant.

Logs.

I'll eventually post all my logs, but there's a couple things I'd prefer to wait for first. I will, by popular demand, publish the drizzle log, and you can refer to my logs with Xel and DBP and my really long conversation with MML for the thread post reference and my other thoughts. Also, she wasn't lying about any of the posts she posted, aside from an omission in the first one that shows the time gap between my initial greeting and her response. We really did have a short conversation, but that was only because I didn't respond after the few things I said were sidestepped by an attack on AA she had just made with backwards (imho) logic. Also, as I said above, she was appearing offline for this conversation, and discord said she was typing on and off for a few minutes before she eventually responded with just "yeah i just posted that i think AA is suspicious"

DRG Log:

**YoshL** · 07-12-2016, 11:44 AM

Votes from post 1 to post 514
Night in 9:17:12
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Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
2 -- AragakiAyase -- Xiz (13), Charu (62)
2 -- runescapedude1126 -- roundbox (12), XelNya (77)
1 -- Arntonach -- DaBackpack (79)
1 -- drizzleRomanceGirl -- MixMasterLar (72)
1 -- Charu -- Red Blaster (6)
1 -- Xiz -- drizzleRomanceGirl (48)
1 -- storn42 -- storn42 (11)
2 -- unvote -- ShadoWolfe (23), AragakiAyase (65)
4 -- not voting -- Arntonach (15), Gradiant (19), runescapedude1126 (8), Tokzic (1)

insta is at 8

**Xiz** · 07-12-2016, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by XelNya

we're not just playing a two faction game here frens, I'm willing to bet on that

xelnya

mixmaster

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by drizzleRomanceGirl

also, i only changed my accusation of him because i made most of the accusations without reading his post carefully enough, and he refuted most of the points i made

i'm still a little suspicious of him because of the way he posted so many reads based on private messages, but that's the only reason i find him suspicious, and i think Xiz is a lot more suspicious

Do you see me talking to a lot of people in thread?

Would your perspective change if all my conversations were public in thread? Given that no one has accused me of faking my logs it's a safe assumption that I didn't edit them in any way.

Regardless of the answers to the above two questions, I find it much easier to talk to someone over voice or in PM for two reasons: one, getting ahold of people on forum is harder. Two, the format of forum means that quick back and forth discussion is not as easy.

**Gradiant** · 07-12-2016, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Oh, and was going to wait until Driz got back and dug a deeper hole but she's totally lying about the extent of her conversations with Shado. My logs prove it, and hell even what Gradiant copied from our conversation proved it. She was entertaining the idea of teaming up with him pre game but decided to keep her distance after the rolls. Why she would decide to try and act like that little bit was all there was to it doesn't make sense and I don't feel bad parking a vote on her for it.

Plus, shit have you talked to Shado? I don't believe for a sec he had that short of a conversation rofl.

The bit she shared was what happened during the actual game so far. If logs during actual game were cut, I'd say that is damning. Only way logs during actual game were cut was if Shado didn't share it all since he was the one that gave the log to you.

**Gradiant** · 07-12-2016, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

11. MixMasterLar
He's consistent in his logic

This made me snort rootbeer onto my desk

**Red Blaster** · 07-12-2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Gradiant

This made me snort rootbeer onto my desk

what a waste of a good beverage

07-12-2016, 04:08 AM	#502
XelNya [Nobody liked that.] Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,368	Re: TWG CLV: Boats I'm now really tired and am gonna treat myself to possibly rearranging my room __________________ Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun Dun beep

07-12-2016, 04:59 AM	#503
ShadoWolfe FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: On a life-size Flat Earth model Posts: 149	Re: TWG CLV: Boats Just got back home, I gotta get up to date with the new posts, then I'll go a bit deeper with my reads here.

07-12-2016, 05:52 AM	#505
MixMasterLar Beach Bum Extraordinaire Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Emerald Coast Posts: 5,224	Re: TWG CLV: Boats Oh, and was going to wait until Driz got back and dug a deeper hole but she's totally lying about the extent of her conversations with Shado. My logs prove it, and hell even what Gradiant copied from our conversation proved it. She was entertaining the idea of teaming up with him pre game but decided to keep her distance after the rolls. Why she would decide to try and act like that little bit was all there was to it doesn't make sense and I don't feel bad parking a vote on her for it. Plus, shit have you talked to Shado? I don't believe for a sec he had that short of a conversation rofl. Anyway I'm going to sleep for 8 hours G'night __________________ Facebook / Youtube / Twitter .

07-12-2016, 07:32 AM	#511
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 29 Posts: 961	Re: TWG CLV: Boats Not going to be able to respond properly to anything until I get home, but for now mml, you basically think I'm a good/safe lynch because others are concerned about me, even though you don't think I'm particularly wolfy? It's just that "I could be red" Think about that for a little, because you're spot on when you say that I'm a safe lynch, at least from your POV given how you just put that. Also, who are these people that are concerned? Logs (I may have missed them)? __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

07-12-2016, 07:55 AM	#512
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 29 Posts: 961	Re: TWG CLV: Boats Oh there are the logs __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

07-12-2016, 08:01 AM	#513
AragakiAyase Waifus Join Date: Apr 2015 Age: 29 Posts: 961	Re: TWG CLV: Boats Point still stands though Alright busy for 8 hours or so rip __________________ pikakirby123 reincarnated

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