TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[DaBackpack]

Ohohohohohoho, the plot thickens

One of AA, dlgn, roundbox, and rzr must be a wolf!

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by dLGN

also I went to the dino den both nights so far LMAO

me too lmao

[dLGN]

is that true? based on what?

what is the alive list?

[Vendetta21]

When the wolves gotta kill you to shut you up hahahahahahahahaha AIGHT PEACE

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by dLGN

is that true? based on what?

what is the alive list?

Look at the convos Tokzic posted

Charu, V, and botchi are clean

and there is at least one wolf in all of the convos

that list is PoE

[DaBackpack]

right I keep saying "one" must, but there can be two wolves as well

[dLGN]

if it is true i'm like 90% on rzr being wolf now. i came out with an accusation earlier when he was pushing on botchi and his reaction was awful, again, saying that there were douchebags who ruined the game for him.... like.... he CANNOT react worse against pressure this game. i'm done defending him for trying when his gamesolving is poor and his reads are poor/fabricated.

[DaBackpack]

Oops! I forgot Xel. Xel is on that list too

[roundbox]

fuck yes
well I guess I don't have to look into charu now. RIP

[dLGN]

dlgn [5:09 PM]
rzr [2:53 PM]
odds of a botchi/dlgn team?
vs odds of a dlgn/tokzic team

flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4382296&postcount=1243

flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?p=4382003#post4382003

can everybody read these posts and see what I said days ago seems very very real right now?
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TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live) The Werewolf Game

​[5:11]
i agree. my perception of rzr is that when you begin to question him he admits to seeing your points and says he begins to read you as town, but at first chance when you do something questionable he reverts to the same scumread on you.

I say it often - alignments don't change in this game. I feel like i've seen moments in this game that make me believe certain players are almost surely town. Even if they do strange things or vote in ways I disagree with my first inclination is not to take all of that back and call them scum but to think that they are wrong and wonder why they see something differently.


this is exactly what is going on repeatedly. there are people who seem to be default "scum" like myself to him, and while I can do things he likes enough for him to call me human for a day he flips and has me in worlds for no reason the next day.


RZR's reaction:


I see my neame mentioned a lot.

​[6:20]
Before I even get into it I want to make something clear

​[6:21]
some of you, ahem, are such douche bags that you ruined the game for me. And that'swhy I;m not trying as much as I normally would or like to.

​[6:21]
Now I'll go humor whatever questions you have


twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449703443000193
Michaeldlgn
rzr who ruined the game for you?
Today at 6:24 PM

​[7:02]
No offense

​[7:02]
But it was a few people

charu [7:02 PM]
It's me, right?

​[7:02]
I'm flattered

rzr [7:03 PM]
I mean I'm still here and I will be trying to th ebest of my ability - but to a degree the authenticity of this has been soiled for me

​[7:03]
No you are the one that kept me in this


I have no idea where he is coming from. I tossed him a rope after his really bizarre reads and even defended him. it's only when he continues to do weird shit and read the game in ways I don't understand that I am starting to push him again. but even if he is a wolf he has a partner and we need to find them, too.

[dLGN]

If it is not yet clear to you, i am going into the kidz room tonight

lol wp friend

[dLGN]

pastebin.com/CJ9DHnsp

decide for yourself if this convo is EVER w/w LOL

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by dLGN

pastebin.com/CJ9DHnsp

decide for yourself if this convo is EVER w/w LOL

why are you defending yourself instead of looking at other logs to find wolves?

[DaBackpack]

in particular why did you select that specific portion to establish your innocence?

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

why are you defending yourself instead of looking at other logs to find wolves?

you have my thoughts already, just getting my info out there

[DaBackpack]

6 town 2 wolves btw

[dLGN]

oh, I remember now

​[3:21]
roundbox called my argument with AA town/town

​[3:22]
and then didn't elaborate, which seemed like he was trying to "cover" for AA in a sense

dlgn [3:22 AM]
yeah

dabackpack [3:22 AM]
that's what got it in my head
not important but before I forgot again


here, i'll do some scumhunting. you have awful reads this game, backpack. i hard cleared you but it looks like you were wrong on AA, you're wrong on me, you (and I) were wrong on xiz, and roundbox looks VERY good right now. you were also checked by the wolf, and I now won't put much stock into that check.

I think you could easily be a wolf.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by dLGN

oh, I remember now

​[3:21]
roundbox called my argument with AA town/town

​[3:22]
and then didn't elaborate, which seemed like he was trying to "cover" for AA in a sense

dlgn [3:22 AM]
yeah

dabackpack [3:22 AM]
that's what got it in my head
not important but before I forgot again


here, i'll do some scumhunting. you have awful reads this game, backpack. i hard cleared you but it looks like you were wrong on AA, you're wrong on me, you (and I) were wrong on xiz, and roundbox looks VERY good right now. you were also checked by the wolf, and I now won't put much stock into that check.

I think you could easily be a wolf.

whoa there partner
when did I say this? hm?

[DaBackpack]

I'm not going to deny having awful reads
but the Xiz flip cleared a lot of that up, regarding AA and Xiz

[dLGN]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

whoa there partner
when did I say this? hm?

uhh that's taken directly from our pm history

here's the entire thing:

are you doing what I think you're doing

​[7:44] 
I remembered that  I can talk to you directly

dlgn [8:10 PM] 
hiya

​[8:10] 
maybe

​[8:11] 
:innocent:

​[8:11] 
what do you think I am doing?

dabackpack [8:19 PM] 
well

​[8:20] 
I thought that you were a homeless guy, and you were trying to find your partner

​[8:20] 
And then you got 2 responses, leading you to doubt one of them: rzr

dlgn [8:20 PM] 
that's what i gathered from the posts I am reading right now

dabackpack [8:21 PM] 
but that doesn't make sense if you thought of the plan far in advance.

dlgn [8:21 PM] 
yup

​[8:21] 
that's not why I suspect rzr

​[8:21] 
i'll detail that shortly

dabackpack [8:21 PM] 
please do

​[8:21] 
I want to know about your use of winky faces

dlgn [8:22 PM] 
they're mostly obnoxious

dabackpack [8:22 PM] 
You said something like "If 2 or 3 people contact me (;) ) then one of them is a wolf"

​[8:22] 
which, to me, sounds like a heavy soft

dlgn [8:22 PM] 
i find it very frustrating to play against town who act cocky and clear for no reason

​[8:22] 
i'm acting in such a way because I find people easier to read from it

​[8:22] 
kind of selfish, sure

​[8:23] 
and while most everybody seems to think my proposal is similarly selfish

​[8:23] 
I don't think it has much to do with myself at all

​[8:23] 
necessarily

dabackpack [8:23 PM] 
I mean, I guess

dlgn [8:23 PM] 
lemme catch up with the thread, respond to rzr, and then see where you're at

dabackpack [8:23 PM] 
alright

dlgn [8:24 PM] 
but yes

​[8:24] 
I am trying to not claim VT in my posts

​[8:24] 
maybe that would help but it's generally anti town imo

​[8:24] 
although

​[8:24] 
tbh, considering wolves don't have the choice of night kills

​[8:24] 
besides the one movie theatre assassination

​[8:24] 
...

dabackpack [8:24 PM] 
might not be a good idea to think like that

dlgn [8:25 PM] 
perhaps I could and quit with the obfuscation

dabackpack [8:25 PM] 
idk

dlgn [8:25 PM] 
for now keep this to yourself?

dabackpack [8:25 PM] 
yes

dlgn [8:25 PM] 
much thanks

​[8:26] 
ah so you found it odd that my plan is premeditated bc you think I could only pull it off, or something off, if I rolled homeless guy?

​[8:27] 
nah, the idea is more about really just matching them up

dabackpack [8:28 PM] 
yes that is what I found strange

​[8:28] 
within the most likely narrative I found, there wasn't much room for premeditation, since you would have needed to know that you were a homeless guy

​[8:29] 
I'll drop that narrative for now

dlgn [8:30 PM] 
yeah, I am indeed vanilla villager and thought this up as most effective if I rolled vanilla villager

dlgn [9:14 PM] 
posted my reasoning on rzr, will address my proposal next but for now going to see what people are up to tonight etc.

dabackpack [9:29 PM] 
"more than any of those individual points, however, is the simple fact that VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE READ CAME WITH A DISCLAIMER OR CONDITIONAL. not a single one was something that wasn't flimsy and easy to flip on. i'd suggest they almost are phrased in a way that makes it seem that he expects to be flipping on them." this is actually a good point

​[9:31] 
that said I don't really remember how he does in other games --- I remember he had some bizarre behavior as town in the last games, so I might revisit that


----- December 4th -----
dabackpack [12:34 AM] 
"so hey @dlgn any spec questions flip them, otherwise I guess we'll just call it a spade"

​[12:34] 
feels like impression management

​[12:34] 
or sucking up, or w/e

dlgn [12:35 AM] 
possibly, but at this point he's being unproductive and kind of annoying me to the point where I am not being too productive, either.  which is bad in case I am wrong.

​[12:35] 
if this gets him posting more about other things it can only help me get a better read.  i am not unvoting for now but hopefully he interacts with others.

dabackpack [12:36 AM] 
right

​[12:36] 
will be more effective to get him off the defensive

dlgn [12:36 AM] 
aye


----- December 5th -----
dabackpack [10:49 PM] 
backpedal harder lmao

​[10:50] 
regarding https://twig.slack.com/archives/freezewars/p1449373780005661

dlgn [10:50 PM] 
yeah

​[10:50] 
99.9% sure you are town

​[10:50] 
99% sure he is mafia with xiz

dabackpack [10:50 PM] 
that's where I'm at

dlgn [10:50 PM] 
i had both of them in my poe earlier

​[10:50] 
i hate myself

​[10:51] 
they literally both reached out to me today

​[10:51] 
argggg

dabackpack [10:51 PM] 
oh?

​[10:51] 
reached out to you how?

dlgn [10:51 PM] 
yeah i posted my logs with xiz at least

dabackpack [10:51 PM] 
right

dlgn [10:51 PM] 
talked with me about reads for a long time

dabackpack [10:51 PM] 
oh I see

dlgn [10:51 PM] 
said they kind of townread me

​[10:51] 
blah blah

​[10:51] 
what a waste of time lmao

​[10:53] 
actually we talked about you a lot

​[10:53] 
so you'd be interested in it

​[10:53] 
here

dabackpack [10:53 PM] 
I think

​[10:53] 
the way in which people have held conversations with me is pretty telling

dlgn [10:53 PM] 
http://pastebin.com/AihWbS2q
enjoy, make of it what you will
Pastebin
dlgn AA - Pastebin.com (8KB)


dabackpack [10:54 PM] 
rzr is 100% town because whenever I would ask him questions, he would ask me questions in return

​[10:54] 
he wanted information from me

​[10:54] 
just like I wanted information from him

dlgn [10:54 PM] 
yep

dabackpack [10:54 PM] 
(rzr as an example)

​[10:54] 
AA and Xiz both answered my questions

​[10:54] 
and then dropped off

dlgn [10:54 PM] 
well so xiz pushed rzr, you, and then gradiant in that order

​[10:54] 
i think that is 3 town

​[10:55] 
xiz was sheeping my rzr read

dabackpack [10:55 PM] 
how recent is that convo

dlgn [10:55 PM] 
from today

​[10:55] 
after I defended you

dabackpack [10:55 PM] 
ok

dlgn [10:55 PM] 
when they moved to vote you

dabackpack [10:55 PM] 
wondering  why he would "lol you killed gradiant" if he had a gradiant scumread

dlgn [10:55 PM] 
hm?

dabackpack [10:55 PM] 
oh wait

​[10:56] 
this is AA lol

​[10:56] 
ok

dlgn [10:56 PM] 
yeah

dabackpack [10:57 PM] 
I see

​[11:00] 
I'm inclined to believe the last comment of his is self-damage control

​[11:00] 
but won't get too attached

​[11:00] 
I fall into that trap every game

dlgn [11:00 PM] 
oh almost certainly

​[11:01] 
it's reasonable to think here

dabackpack [11:01 PM] 
getting attached to a certain narrative

dlgn [11:01 PM] 
he didn't know xiz gave up

​[11:01] 
so he was defending him

dabackpack [11:01 PM] 
right

dlgn [11:01 PM] 
yeah, im gonna sleep on it

​[11:01] 
i'm in an exhibit

​[11:01] 
you're the only one who knows

​[11:02] 
idk if that is useful at all

dabackpack [11:02 PM] 
an exhibit?

​[11:02] 
oh

dlgn [11:02 PM] 
but idk in the case someone fakes a seer check or something dumb

​[11:02] 
yeah, i'll say I am in either room 1 2 or 3

dabackpack [11:02 PM] 
I'm going somewhere harmless

dlgn [11:02 PM] 
cool

dabackpack [11:02 PM] 
yup

​[11:02] 
aight nighty

dlgn [11:02 PM] 
gn


----- December 6th -----
dabackpack [6:52 PM] 
I think V might be the third wolf in this universe

dlgn [7:34 PM] 
maybe, idk

​[7:34] 
that was my initial thought


----- December 7th -----
dabackpack [10:05 PM] 
Nevermind, roundbox is third wolf

dlgn [11:15 PM] 
rly?

​[11:16] 
i kept getting weird vibes from him off and on

​[11:16] 
like he didn't like the general direction of the game but had taken a different side

​[11:16] 
i just wasn't looking there first since he has townread me most of the game >_<

​[11:16] 
why?  i haven't read too much of the game today tbh


----- Yesterday December 8th, 2015 -----
dabackpack [2:26 AM] 
he got defensive whenever he thought someone was calling him a wolf

​[2:26] 
or suggesting it

​[2:26] 
it's happened three times this game so far

dlgn [2:26 AM] 
hm, same with storn and even rzr, though

​[2:26] 
that's not a completely unreasonable reaction

dabackpack [2:26 AM] 
fair enough

dlgn [2:26 AM] 
even I have lashed out when I got frustrated enough

​[2:27] 
yeah idk if that is enough for me to think so, but I did give you a few things that I thought about him, he's not completely off my radar

dabackpack [2:27 AM] 
and lately he's warmed up to the xiz lynch, which looks good for him

dlgn [2:28 AM] 
who, roundbox?

​[2:28] 
i mean at this point it seems like activity is low

​[2:28] 
and there are like what, 5 votes on xiz?

​[2:28] 
he may think he's beyond saving

dabackpack [3:21 AM] 
oh, I remember now

​[3:21] 
roundbox called my argument with AA town/town

​[3:22] 
and then didn't elaborate, which seemed like he was trying to "cover" for AA in a sense

dlgn [3:22 AM] 
yeah

dabackpack [3:22 AM] 
that's what got it in my head
not important but before I forgot again

dabackpack [6:52 PM]
I think V might be the third wolf in this universe


dabackpack [10:05 PM]
Nevermind, roundbox is third wolf

yeah, you look VERY BAD right now...