TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by choof

not understanding the phrasing of this post
you're not impressed with my conclusions now, but I'm null/slight town because of earlier?

do you mean that my early play was town and now that I'm catching up and noticing scummy interactions between you and yoshl, I'm null for it?

I mean that your early play was town and I don't like your reasoning for why I'm scum so I'm putting you at null. call it omgus if you want but it's similar line of reasoning for why I dislike ymia except with you it's not as clear cut

also something to think on while I take a nap: as a wolf, is it easier to come up with scum reads or townreads?

[choof]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I mean that your early play was town and I don't like your reasoning for why I'm scum so I'm putting you at null. call it omgus if you want but it's similar line of reasoning for why I dislike ymia except with you it's not as clear cut

also something to think on while I take a nap: as a wolf, is it easier to come up with scum reads or townreads?

odd, I quite like my reasoning and if you leave now, I'll almost guarantee that you will be the top lynch candidate when you wake up

it depends on the wolf
I can't answer that because I'm the worst wolf on ffr

[choof]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I wanna say if YoshL is a wolf, then YMIA and Xelnya are as well

not liking this
yoshl feels like a wolf, but the more likely pairing imo would be yoshl/aa/wildcard
xelnya seems like a singular entity tbh

[choof]

what is the vote count

[thesunfan]

Votecount:
Zenith (2)- ymia, Plop
red blaster (1)- Yoshl
XelNya (2)- DBP, rzr
YMIA (3)- Zenith, AA, V
AA (1)- choof
Unvote (1)- round

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by choof

xelnya seems like a singular entity tbh

I've noticed this as well.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

I've noticed this as well.

Just to expand on this so it's not like a weak pocket attempt, I'm finding some similarities in how Xel's playing here and how he played in later phases of CXXV. Not to say this is indicative of anything, but I do agree that he seems detached.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by choof

odd, I quite like my reasoning and if you leave now, I'll almost guarantee that you will be the top lynch candidate when you wake up

it depends on the wolf
I can't answer that because I'm the worst wolf on ffr

nice top lynch candidate

so you have me as scum because of:

weak reads list
yoshl interactions
slip (?)
my reaction to your assessment of me
anything else?

because so far none of this is convincing

before I grab dinner here's a quick counterargument to each:

reads list is going to involve some generalizing unless you want me to focus on very small sections of the game which will inevitably be taking things out of context, rendering reads less effective. I gave reads on every single player; not all of them good, but I had reasoning behind all of them

I already listed multiple times why the yoshl interactions reason is weak

what if I told you I posted that slip hoping that someone would latch onto it so I could evaluate how they use it and whether or not their read of it changes based on how they're pursuing me? although no matter what I say about it you'll jump onto it harder

reaction not only includes disliking your reasoning but also as I have stated earlier, your activity patterns closely mirror that of last time you were a wolf in the spice game: pushing early on people (also on me like in that game), then vanishing for a while until right before eod

[rzr]

back and catching up, I see ymia on again I guess I'll have to toss my vote his way if I still don't hear anything. Nice to see from choof, reading up on that too

[rzr]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Just to expand on this so it's not like a weak pocket attempt, I'm finding some similarities in how Xel's playing here and how he played in later phases of CXXV. Not to say this is indicative of anything, but I do agree that he seems detached.

Ay turning on your partner already?

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by rzr

Ay turning on your partner already?

This is probably the worst post of this game by far lmao

[Red Blaster]

You're simplistic analysis of my post aside, you completely missed what I was getting at with that post.

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

nice top lynch candidate

so you have me as scum because of:

weak reads list
yoshl interactions
slip (?)
my reaction to your assessment of me
anything else?

because so far none of this is convincing

before I grab dinner here's a quick counterargument to each:

reads list is going to involve some generalizing unless you want me to focus on very small sections of the game which will inevitably be taking things out of context, rendering reads less effective. I gave reads on every single player; not all of them good, but I had reasoning behind all of them

I already listed multiple times why the yoshl interactions reason is weak

what if I told you I posted that slip hoping that someone would latch onto it so I could evaluate how they use it and whether or not their read of it changes based on how they're pursuing me? although no matter what I say about it you'll jump onto it harder

reaction not only includes disliking your reasoning but also as I have stated earlier, your activity patterns closely mirror that of last time you were a wolf in the spice game: pushing early on people (also on me like in that game), then vanishing for a while until right before eod

What if I told you that's a sad excuse of a cover up of you making a mistake?

In my second class now so I have my laptop out

[rzr]

Originally Posted by YoshL

dbp being sk being your read first is false

Everytime I read this it keeps making me think of Charu bussing storn. Not sure what the intention is by bringing it up, are you trying to get him wolved or lynched?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

the obvious candidate would be YMIA
(the weakest being RB)

What exactly do you find towny about him? I could use some convincing.

I'm not sure if YoshL's lack of WIM is alignment indicative or just because Fallout 4

Melding here.

There's a major train forming here I wanna just take note of where the votes fly from here.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

this can also read as ymia opportunistically looking for a mislynch, which is essentially what he's doing in trying to direct pressure away from him onto other people with weak scumreads

Excellent point I believe I mentioned this when Zenith skirted a response towards his accusations afrom me, and rather replied with something like "what about you, you have questions to answer for too." So that doesn't help him.

Originally Posted by Choof

I very highly doubt that zenith and yoshl are on a team ever in this game

Why?. I'm not disagreeing, but I think it was touched on that it's not past either of them to butt heads like that. And now look, in just about everyone's eyes one or the other is at opposite sides of the spectrum. Good distancing, or genuine aggression?

Originally Posted by choof

I'm not liking the interactions between AA and yoshl, specifically on dbp being sk. it's one thing for yoshl to tunnel an sk read on dbp, because he has irl meta, whatever the fuck that means, and he's not denying being the sk, whatever the fuck that implies. but it's another totally different thing for yoshl to tunnel and to get AA to agree with him.

Point noted, I'm trying to get an eye on my green pile for this exact reason.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

yeah these posts in particular are incriminating for AA or YoshL if one of them flips wolf

Who's more likely to be pulling the wool over our eyes? I'd say AA, I think what is had on Yosh should be looked into by and PR's unless someone has else to offer, but I wouldn't mind seeing his reacting to leading the lynch-block.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

In case you don't remember I asked him why he was switching his read. He said it was because I went from not posting to suddenly participating. if you actually look at the rest of our interactions it looks very odd for us to be on a team

but I won't push it further since people seem to be settling on to it, I'll address it if yoshl flips wolf and people come after me because of it

Self fullfilling prophecy? This is rhetorical.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

ymia still needs to die today, he's been in and out of the thread today quite a few times and hasn't said anything

I wish he'd fucking claim or something at least. It's almost hard to tell if he's given up or just doesn't know how to defend himself/where to begin. Neither look town to me.

Xel's post 1034 is hard for me to read. It feels genuine in parts and a little forced in others. I'm gonna go baxck over it in amin.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Regardless of what I have or haven't done it's still irrelevant.

This just proves my point, you continue to handpick what you want to respond to. I'll come back to this one too.

Originally Posted by choof

rough town to scum list

plop
zenith
roundbox
dbp
xel
rb
v
james may
rzr
ymia
yoshl
aa

What makes you feel Zenith is town? I keep seeing him shift green and yosh coming back into the limelight. Personally, I think Zenith could be discussed more.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Aye, this is rough

I think the most difficult part of this game for me isnt determining who's who, but articulating why I think so beyond a gut read. I find it difficult to pinpoint the specific pieces/parts that lead me to believe certain things. Id say this is a recurring problem throughout my games, where my articulation and explanations fall short all the time, and i think thats what challenges me more than anything else at this point.

Im in class for the next 3 hours, and for the first 1.5 i wont be able to say much at all, maybe read some more. After i'll try to read a little more critically, and i think im going to try and start from scratch, without my current reads.

I will try to ask you very specific questions that would like to have answers before end oh phase. Coming back to this.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I mean that your early play was town and I don't like your reasoning for why I'm scum so I'm putting you at null. call it omgus if you want but it's similar line of reasoning for why I dislike ymia except with you it's not as clear cut

This makes me feel uneasy, maybe it's a copout maybe it's just an explanation.

also something to think on while I take a nap: as a wolf, is it easier to come up with scum reads or townreads?

What?

Originally Posted by choof

not liking this
yoshl feels like a wolf, but the more likely pairing imo would be yoshl/aa/wildcard
xelnya seems like a singular entity tbh

Why? I'll come back to this and lay down some of my opinions on Xel like I said I had to, but you don't see anything indicating alignment from him? I thought I did.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

I've noticed this as well.

So here you're saying you think Xel has exhibited no signs of having team mates? Without just calling my post stupid, do you outrule the possibility that Xel was defending ymia or trying to move him out of the line of fire, regardless of if you're his partner or not?

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Just to expand on this so it's not like a weak pocket attempt, I'm finding some similarities in how Xel's playing here and how he played in later phases of CXXV. Not to say this is indicative of anything, but I do agree that he seems detached.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I might be), but this is a contradiction to what you're expanding on. Do you see Xel as scummy for this or not?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

what if I told you I posted that slip hoping that someone would latch onto it so I could evaluate how they use it and whether or not their read of it changes based on how they're pursuing me? although no matter what I say about it you'll jump onto it harder

What do people think about this?

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

You're simplistic analysis of my post aside, you completely missed what I was getting at with that post.

Try again bub.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

What if I told you that's a sad excuse of a cover up of you making a mistake?

In my second class now so I have my laptop out

Keep going.. I personally have AA in my town pile, but I see some evidence piling up.

Will address te things I said, already have something started in another notepad

[thesunfan]

Charu has replaced James May

[thesunfan]

Votecount:
Zenith (2)- ymia, Plop
red blaster (1)- Yoshl
XelNya (2)- DBP, rzr
YMIA (3)- Zenith, AA, V
AA (1)- choof
Unvote (1)- round

[Charu]

[Charu]

*cough*

Disclaimer, I am NOT reading everyone long posts.

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[Charu]

Originally Posted by Charu

This is totally relevant to be quoted.

[Charu]

I should blow it up for you guys so it fills and stretches, sound cool?