TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by YoshL

which is why i (think) my vote is still on AA

the previous post to "revisiting"

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

yeah these posts in particular are incriminating for AA or YoshL if one of them flips wolf

In case you don't remember I asked him why he was switching his read. He said it was because I went from not posting to suddenly participating. if you actually look at the rest of our interactions it looks very odd for us to be on a team

but I won't push it further since people seem to be settling on to it, I'll address it if yoshl flips wolf and people come after me because of it

[AragakiAyase]

anyways not impressed with choof's conclusions, he's now null with a slight town lean because of earlier

also interesting that dbp immediately hopped onto the yoshl/aa possibility given that he's had plenty of time to think about it

[AragakiAyase]

ymia still needs to die today, he's been in and out of the thread today quite a few times and hasn't said anything

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

In case you don't remember I asked him why he was switching his read. He said it was because I went from not posting to suddenly participating. if you actually look at the rest of our interactions it looks very odd for us to be on a team

but I won't push it further since people seem to be settling on to it, I'll address it if yoshl flips wolf and people come after me because of it

yes but I can see that justification coming post hoc

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

yes but I can see that justification coming post hoc

yes and I think it's a shitty justification

[choof]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

yawn

also half your logic behind the slip is wrong because more wolf roles have powers than not

you can call my reads list what you like, I don't really care. as of then I didn't like 8 people, since then my reads have shifted and if you don't care to take that into account when making an accusation then I can't take you seriously

your reads may have shifted, but the post was still lukewarm and you still have substantial evidence pairing you with yoshl as a team

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

anyways not impressed with choof's conclusions, he's now null with a slight town lean because of earlier

also interesting that dbp immediately hopped onto the yoshl/aa possibility given that he's had plenty of time to think about it

hmmmmmm

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

ymia still needs to die today, he's been in and out of the thread today quite a few times and hasn't said anything

he's most suspicious outside of Xel

[rzr]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Not much to work with here, looking forward to how you spin this.

So tell me what you think about his posts since then

Originally Posted by roundbox

Based on how you worded your first post, I can't say I saw this conclusion coming.

Think I addressed this but if not remind me

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Always remember though that megaposting or putting in tons of effort doesn't equal town. Mashi and I have done it as scum in the past and gotten away with it.

True true, and you guys have seen me do it as scum too. I'm personally investing more into the game analysis right now anyway, but would like to point out the big posts still require attention. Xel's and choof's are both important imo, because they display choof as trying then and not now, with the opposite effect given by Xel.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

I feel like I'm being agreed with too much.

You mentioned this already, and I would like to hear if anyone else finds this strange? I know I get bad vibes when too many people start to agree with just me. But I also know that, as a wolf, when people agree with me I tend to tell them they're wrong because I want the distance. So I'm curious if other people can testify if you comment on this type of behavior frequently.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

What is the main objection towards XelNya? It got buried to me.

I mentioned it and DBP, but to clarify, Xel seems less interested in town goals and more interested in forcing points that he's not following up on.

Originally Posted by YoshL

dbp being sk being your read first is false

Is this towards V's statement?

Originally Posted by roundbox

Oh good eod is at 8 instead of 3. I will post when I get home from school then

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

@rzr

I think you came off as town, but looking back RB's aggression and responses like this as wolfy

How bout the damage control since then?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

there's also this. He gives reasons but it still seems odd to not want to lynch your top wolf

I have said this, though I think he answered to it.

Originally Posted by YoshL

basically, rb gets mislynched a lot

however, i don't think i've ever seen him be mislynched for being quiet and making much less contributions than normal.

Do you think he is trying to stay alive or trying to find wolves? If he's mislynched a lot it's logical to say he's not the best target?

I have a lot to say about alignments/interactions but I have to leave work right now asap I'll be back sorry guys

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by choof

your reads may have shifted, but the post was still lukewarm and you still have substantial evidence pairing you with yoshl as a team

I'm not sure what you were looking for, but that's how I usually write my reads (and I thought I gave more solid opinions than I usually do). Other people can discuss the issue more if they want, I gave them and since you have a problem with how they started then I don't see anything I can do about it

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by rzr

If I haven't explained it enough by this point I don't think it's going to sink in. Seeing you from a wolfs POV you did very little to help the game. I saw a few accusations with some light footwork to bring them to light, I saw a lot of gifs(and I know you already addressed this). And this game you have a lot more actual posts with words in them trying to do stuff, but I don't see you actually guiding the points anywhere. If I had to have a meta on you based on the couple of games we've played, then I would say you are 100% different.

1. I was asking for specifics about your argument. Not what it was. I wanted you to do what you did and gloss over my large post's content more in depth and see what struck you as bad from you rather than riding on the back of things other said. I knew you had your own reasoning, I just wanted to see it a little more cleanly.

2. That's not a lot of gifs. I have over 250 I could use.

3. I'd probably admit I am having an off game, but that's not useful at all when it comes from me.

4. Different isn't a good reason on it's own to scum read me with a meta read. You need to scum read me for reasons you have yourself already said you've gone over a ton.

You HAVE a case, and I haven't read your responses yet (I know they're there and contain quotes from me, so I assume I got what I asked for.)

I asked because your early game felt super shitty. I was starting to view your posts as blendy, but the further down the list I got the more I thought you were actually townie. I saw the longer posts and somewhat think scummy you wouldn't see a reason to do those, nor would scummy you actually see merit in doing what I asked.

You now sit as town to me for now. /well I need to READ them but the fact they're there makes me happy enough atm.

Originally Posted by roundbox

After that big post he feels much more townie to me now. He did all of that hard work on rzr, mentioning good and bad points, only for him to arrive to the conclusion that rzr is.... kinda towny. I don't see scum Xel making such effort just to spit out a town read. Lots of his scum game revolved around tunneling and forced confirmation bias. This definitely takes Xel off the radar for me today.

I've done this as scum before for the record. Usually to RB or Zenith.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by rzr

Red you haven't posted anything relevant today so don't go there please. If you offered something up instead of just pointing out AA missed the time then I wouldn't be saying this.

I still wanna know who rex is, unless you know something about him haha

Regardless of what I have or haven't done it's still irrelevant.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by choof

your reads may have shifted, but the post was still lukewarm and you still have substantial evidence pairing you with yoshl as a team

also did you consider how it would make sense for yoshl and I to be on a team given that I pushed on him (and am still but more interested in ymia) but agreed with a single controversial point while still pushing on him? If we were on a team I think that would draw unnecessary attention and I'd be more likely to not even address the issue

[choof]

rough town to scum list

plop
zenith
roundbox
dbp
xel
rb
v
james may
rzr
ymia
yoshl
aa

[choof]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I gave them and since you have a problem with how they started then I don't see anything I can do about it

you could convince me that you are town

[yo man im awesome]

Aye, this is rough

I think the most difficult part of this game for me isnt determining who's who, but articulating why I think so beyond a gut read. I find it difficult to pinpoint the specific pieces/parts that lead me to believe certain things. Id say this is a recurring problem throughout my games, where my articulation and explanations fall short all the time, and i think thats what challenges me more than anything else at this point.

Im in class for the next 3 hours, and for the first 1.5 i wont be able to say much at all, maybe read some more. After i'll try to read a little more critically, and i think im going to try and start from scratch, without my current reads.

[choof]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

also did you consider how it would make sense for yoshl and I to be on a team given that I pushed on him (and am still but more interested in ymia) but agreed with a single controversial point while still pushing on him? If we were on a team I think that would draw unnecessary attention and I'd be more likely to not even address the issue

do you not know what bussing is?

[choof]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

anyways not impressed with choof's conclusions, he's now null with a slight town lean because of earlier

not understanding the phrasing of this post
you're not impressed with my conclusions now, but I'm null/slight town because of earlier?

do you mean that my early play was town and now that I'm catching up and noticing scummy interactions between you and yoshl, I'm null for it?

[choof]

sunfan can you please replace james may before eod