jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

[ShadowDueler97]

But then Greg did seem pretty keen on getting T-Force lynched asap

[ShadowDueler97]

christ this is tougher than I thought it'd be

[helphelp11]

Defending myself with a couple of quotes:

Post #681:

Originally Posted by T-Force

helphelp: Also gone UTR, but I stand by my idea that a new wolf wouldn't settle with a novote throughout all of D0 when there's no time for wolves to strat. Also slight feeling about helphelp, but in a good way.

Following up on that, this is before I decided to vote for you two days because I was confident of what T-Force said and I suspected you at the time (Post #752):

Originally Posted by T-Force

And don't worry about voting so late. If something comes up, change your vote, or just unvote. But your vote counts a lot in this game. Don't squander them.

I hardclaimed because of YoshL's post (Post #791):

Originally Posted by YoshL

that's what i said, yes

although there's definitely a couple ways to interpret my intentions; in your case, since i suspect that nearly everyone thinks you're a townsperson, you have much more freedom in reading and coming up with your own opinions here

like, for example - if i was a wolf, it wouldn't be a half bad play to insta my partner right there, in order to make myself human.

or if i was a vt, i could have just believed storn to be a wolf and gone for the lynch after an obvious bluff, in order to prevent anyone else from dying by the second wolf popping in and insta-ing.

it's basically up to you to decide what you think i'm aiming for, judging all of the possibilities, and what you think i was thinking during that

then you go through the same kind of thing with the other players, and you have reads! there's only one wolf out there left, assuming it's not you. lol

-[=]-

This is Post #779:

Originally Posted by YoshL

so we kill t-force, then sunfan, good plan

Followed by post #811, which I believe that YoshL's thoughts that T-Force or sunfan was wolf, T-Force first:

Originally Posted by YoshL

sunfan, i think you're thinking what i'm thinking, and i really hope that's the case

I think YoshL got killed so sunfan doesn't get any heat from YoshL.

Also, T-Force voted for sunfan because of his iso (Post #795):

Originally Posted by T-Force

YoshL, I'm 99% sure you're not the tracker which means it's either Greg or Shadow, and if it's Shadow, I called it...
That was why I iso'd him. That's why I thought he was weird. That's why after said iso, I figured he was town, but with a chip.

thesunfan

Keep in mind, I don't put it past you to insta your partner last minute, but Greg's dying over you today.

Which is why he wanted me to insta T-Force, so he doesn't get heat from him either. T-Force expressed this via middle finger posts. I think sunfan would know I would try to ally with him because of this (Post #825):

Originally Posted by helphelp11

And T-Force, explain your middle finger posts. (I'm sorta still young...)

Followed by this (Post #827):

Originally Posted by thesunfan

WHAT
THeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I think he took that as an opportunity, and asked me to insta-lnych T-Force here (Post #837):

Originally Posted by thesunfan

help just vote for trevor already please
end this game.

Most of his heat for T-Force was on page 42.

[helphelp11]

That took longer than I thought it would...

[YoshL]

good luck guys~

[ShadowDueler97]

I'm gonna wait for Greg and see what has to say too

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by ShadowDueler97

But then Greg did seem pretty keen on getting T-Force lynched asap

irrelevant
also hi
also help

will be making a bigass post about the game in a moment; plz hold off until then.

[thesunfan]

my reads were hot garbage aside from my role reads so I apologize for that, town.

[helphelp11]

"garbage"

Then why do you want me to insta T-Force very badly assuming that it would "end the game?" Aren't you a vet? Shouldn't you know to get conversation out the entire day, and not just 2.6 hours of it?

[helphelp11]

And why vote me?

[thesunfan]

Gonna dig through everything. Yes, I read help as town early on, but I now know I was wrong. I am going to quote things that I read him town for that I will not do so now. Its not flip-floping, its me realizing I was wrong.

Firstly, just look at how he's posting now. He smells BLOOD and its funny given the circumstance because DaBackPack did the same thing last game where he didn't make any substantial posts until he was about to win the game as a wolf. His posting style is different because he no longer has to convince the majority of players (or himself as well depending on how he plays) that he is a wolf.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Hello, it's Day 0. I don't know what to do because it's Day 0.
Also, note to self: do not jump on any bandwagons.

out of the gate he's already getting into the mindset of what NOT to do. Townspeople do NOT have to worry about this because by the sheer act of posting they will be town because they are town.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Ok, ok! I'll post more. I was busy on Father's Day having forced to go shopping... for the rest of my afternoon and evening...

Anyway, me being quiet is getting myself in heat?

Confusion; worried about being suspected early on. Guilty conscience.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Hm, after done reading those pages...

AA, like what CK said in the analyzing posts seems like a newbie.

CK is analyzing the posts.

storn, while shitposting, doesn't seem like a wolf. Given YoshL's logic at post 123, removing the extra random posts as he tends to post a lot to try and help.

YoshL seems to be using that make jokes and analyze strategy (start of page 7), with at page 8 poking fun at gradiant. Also, seeing that T-Force knows YoshL at post 168 by IRL names it makes sense poking fun at him right after, and then again on page 11.

Light defense of storn and a reads list that doesn't commit much else beside that. Storn also had an odd interaction with him shortly afterword that would've made me think help would be his partner if I wasn't already reading help town at that point in the game.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

As for my vote, I'll be saving it unless someone can persuade me to use it for a lynch.

He's been playing the entire game like this; asking other people what he should do in regards to voting. Part of this is fine because he's a new player in jTWG, but its a GREAT thing to do as a wolf because the blame doesn't come back to you unless someone looks beyond the surface. He gets to throw the blame on me for "forcing" him to vote for T-Force (Sorry Trevor) when one of the main parts of this game is to think for yourself. Do NOT let him win by essentially just sheeping. Its what funnygurl used to do until she really hit her stride; don't get funnygurl'd.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Guys, I'm still trying to go over posts here...

psychoangel should post more.

Gradiant, for some reason, is getting heat from YoshL.

T-Force and Shadow are contributing, both of them don't seem like wolf.

Not necessarily this post but the one after; he talked about taking a LONG time to make this post. It has almost nothing in it which hints at his self-awareness and fear of posting something that might attract heat. Contrast that with the time it took him to post his post attacking me; a LOT more content in a lot less time because of the change in situation where he can win the game.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

T-Force and Shadow seem human because they're contributing well.

YoshL trying to a) vote me and b) put random heat on Gradiant... I guess, makes YoshL seem like wolf? I'm keeping an open mind, but dfr last jTWG won as wolf and helped me first game. I'm not gonna vote now, but I have to put someone who I think as wolf.

Yoshl was contributing a lot more than T-Force or you were Shadow and his read is awkward because he has to throw scum on a high content poster.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Well, it's D0. I'm not sure who's wolf or who's town exactly. Half the people or so seem null.

Also, what's an "iso?" Isolating?

Still not posting content; noob wolf doesn't know what to say.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

What are the main reasons for voting gradiant and storn?

He snuck this one in there; albeit I'll talk more about this one later. Plays back to him not voting of his own accord and voting based on the majority consensus. He didn't vote either d0 OR d1, and LATER ON THREW SCUM ON PEOPLE FOR HAMMERING. This includes storn and you, shadow, for the d0 hammer. D1 when HE was the deciding factor in the lynch I like to think the following situation played out in his head:

Vote for storn: Lose the experienced wolf partner that has likely been leading the nightkills, likely can't win without him. Don't want to vote for storn.

Vote for T-Force: T-Force will flip town. People will look at me for mishammering, especially if it comes to light storn is a wolf. Don't want to vote for T-Force.

The last part also is enforced by how he tried to push on you Shadow (With faulty logic) for mishammering D0.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

I'm not sure if I should force a KitB or not, but we're at deadline...

Forcing a KitB gets the blame off of him because the other person's alignment that doesn't die in the lynch remains a mystery. Its how he's played this game; try to get as little heat as possible by not voting in important times. Look at how he's posting now and how different it is.

Also, on that topic, Yoshl shouldn't have died last night, you should've because Yoshl is technically a mislynch possibility. help was NOT SURPRISED at this fact and just immediately started attacking me, appealing to you and defending himself. This was because he knew Yoshl was going to die over you, Shadow.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Hello. .o/
I now have a suspicion on shadow because of that insta-lynch. For AA getting killed, AA seemed town to everyone.

First post here is talking about the nightkill as well as throwing scum on you for the mislynch.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Both. T-Force seems town lean to me due to his discussing, so I can trust him on his logic.

Again, not even playing his own game, just doing what he's told and following the crowd trying to blend in with the townspeople.

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Stop putting pressure, DFR ;_;

I guess I'd vote shadow in the last 5 minutes (so we can get as much conversation as possible), but I don't want to seem part of a votewagon to everyone. If everyone decided on a specific person, I guess I'd vote on said specific person.

I'm pretty much beating a dead horse at this point but he's just openly saying how he's played as a wolf LOL.

See earlier scenario about what played out in storn's mind for his play at EOD.

Running out of post size at this point but he has played the game sheeping everyone else and not thinking for himself, which is a trademark of a townsperson. His posts exhibit self-awareness not found in townspeople as well as a caution to contributing heat, especially early game when he got worried because people were suspicious of him for essentially not posting.

He never voted for storn or suspected him. I did, albeit it was just suspect.

The nightkills make NO GODDAMN sense which is the trademark of a new player. Why the fuck would Yoshl EVER die last night when everyone in the game KNOWS you're the tracker Shadow? Why the fuck would Kayla EVER die EVER (PS nice Hail Mary kill there help; kept you in the game)

Don't let him win this game by essentially doing nothing shadow, I know you're the last townsperson and I know he is the last wolf.

The only times I ever get mislynched are in jTWG and I haven't been mislynched (or lynched in general) in over a year and I would like to keep it that way plz.

help

<3

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by helphelp11

"garbage"

Then why do you want me to insta T-Force very badly assuming that it would "end the game?" Aren't you a vet? Shouldn't you know to get conversation out the entire day, and not just 2.6 hours of it?

game is auto from my perspective if I assume Yoshl is town; that's why. Yoshl isn't the type to hammer his partner like that as I've said. T-Force was wrong in that regard.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by helphelp11

And why vote me?

in the words of Yoshl, lol

I guess I'll explain since I've said what I want to. I know you're the last wolf because you're not claiming Tracker and I am not the tracker and Shadow is claiming tracker. Thus, since I am not a wolf, you must be the last wolf.

[thesunfan]

btw my posts might seem a bit more awkward because I'm trying to be calm rather than insane because if I was in a normal TWG game I would be FLIPPING THE FUCK OUT at the moment. If you want an example read the end of TWG 108 where Yoshl and I spend basically hours yelling at one another.

[thesunfan]

HELP
I need somebody
HELP
Not just anybody
HELP
Won't you please, please
HELP me

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Also, now using the power of the new update, you can do this as long as your middle click can work once! I still have no idea about this cheesecake thing!

Idk much about minecraft but don't those signs take a LONG time to make?
Does this indicate he prepared them in the night knowing he'd have to go against me LOL? That would be REALLY funny lmao.

[thesunfan]

gonna be watching anime in a few; if you have any questions Shadow it might take me a moment to answer; please be patient.

[helphelp11]

Well, I used a command to make a sign appear with json formatting. Because of the new 1.8 update, you can Ctrl+Middle click the signs to copy NBT data (aka the formatting of the signs) and spam them everywhere. Hence, why I said if my middle click worked at least once.

Also, I have signs on signs.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by helphelp11

Well, I used a command to make a sign appear with json formatting. Because of the new 1.8 update, you can Ctrl+Middle click the signs to copy NBT data (aka the formatting of the signs) and spam them everywhere. Hence, why I said if my middle click worked at least once.

Also, I have signs on signs.

loooool darn thought I had you in the stupidest way possible lmao.

[thesunfan]

Originally Posted by helphelp11

"garbage"

Then why do you want me to insta T-Force very badly assuming that it would "end the game?" Aren't you a vet? Shouldn't you know to get conversation out the entire day, and not just 2.6 hours of it?

its never too early to try and kill wolves and yes I am a vet meanie.