What is arrogance/humility, what is bragging, is it bad, and why?

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Originally Posted by stargroup100

You're clearly not understanding what I'm saying because the whole point of everything I'm saying is to debunk this claim.

If you make the claim that this is "always" the case, and I point out an exception, your statement is no longer true. And then right below it, you explain yourself why you agree with me even though you fail to admit this. The fact that you used "almost" should mean that you understand why the above bolded statement is false.

and i'm saying that if something is true 99% of the time, that's good enough. it's behavior is well defined. corner cases are unimportant if statistically they make up a very small portion of the data. they might be important if you are going to a job interview and you want to make sure that you dont come off as arrogant, but again, you dont really control that anyways.

If I say playing basketball always results in injury, all I need is one example of basketball not resulting in injury to demonstrate this statement is false.

nice red herring. try comparing my claim to something that is true most of the time and then we can talk.

I know my math, I've taken statistics. A "well-defined distribution" doesn't mean anything here because you haven't given the parameters in which statistics are taken.

It's like me saying that I have a graph that disproves that cultures have a stance on arrogance. The concept of a graph here is useless unless I explain what this graph represents.

how about the thing we are talking about? whether or not someone saying "i am better than you" is insulting.

The problem isn't "formalism" (whatever the fuck that is). It's that you cannot form coherently logical arguments. Which is the point of this board.

no, the problem is that you are too hung up on the rules of logic to listen to a simple argument.

Red herring
Once again, we're talking about how to classify arrogance and non-arrogance. Your claim is generalization. Even if I accept it as true, it offers nothing to the current topic and only demonstrates your initial claims were poorly thought out. This is why your statements are malformed and incorrect.

i think one main difference here is that i feel like i have a baseline feel for what societal norms are when it comes to arrogance. do you?

If the conversation has nothing to do with anyone else, don't post it here, go to private messages.

it has to do with the topic at hand, it just doesnt have anything to do with you. i'm sorry if that hurts your feelings, i guess.

But that still doesn't change the fact that there are fundamental flaws with what you said, even without needing context. I don't need context to tell someone who claims 2+2=5 that he's wrong.

but what if you're missing the context that the two people are only concerned with order of magnitude? or what if you're missing the context that the two numbers were added in bash (which only stores ints) and the twos were automatically rounded down from 2.49999999 before being added?

Stop with the red herrings, please
I was addressing your following claim:

I did not ever assert any relationship between comparisons of self and others with arrogance. You made a claim. I demonstrated why your claim is wrong.

you must have missed the part where i agreed with you:

okay fine with me. looking up is fine, looking down is arrogant.

As for the claim itself, you seem to be misunderstanding what it means to compare oneself to someone else. Not only did you misinterpret my example, but my example is indeed a "comparison". You seem to define your comparison as some kind of mockery of other people that doesn't provide any gain, so of course you would make the claim that it is useless and provides no benefit. But that's not what your words are saying, and this is not honest intellectual discourse.

If I say "God exists." and I define God to be the universe (which is something that exists), my claim is meaningless and not intellectually honest.

no, i'm saying that comparing yourself with someone below you is never useful. i would like to see you come up with an example of why i am wrong. because i'm pretty sure you cant.