jTWG LXX: Flash Squadron - Game thread

[YoshL]

dude, seriously try reading posts more carefully

"whereas if either mason claims, there would be 1 confirmed human"

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by Charles Claythorne

If Masons don't claim and we mislynch a Human this Phase, then there's essentially no difference in making that mislynch had the Masons claimed.

However, if the Masons don't claim and we lynch a Wolf, then even if we make a mislynch the following Phase, if the Wolves miss a Mason in the wolfing, that's another two confirmed Players for MYLO. Whereas if either Mason claimed, there would only be one confirmed Player. I'm pretty sure I'm visualising it in my head properly, but let me type out an example to clarify once I'm done with these chips.

3 scenarios

scenario 1, masons don't claim

wolves have a chance of missing a mason in wolfing next night (not this night) and we get 2 confirmed for mylo.

scenario 2, 1 mason claims

wolves get 2 confirmed human kills in a row, and we're only left with the 1 confirmed human in the end

scenario 3, 2 masons claim

wolves get 2 confirmed blah blah balh

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by YoshL

dude, seriously try reading posts more carefully

"whereas if either mason claims, there would be 1 confirmed human"

If you read the setup, masons know who eachother are.
Clearly if one outted themselves it'd make sense for both too as that is game over for the wolf team and they would/could confirm one another.

[YoshL]

that's assuming i'm right in saying that cold kitten, and mashi aren't wolves.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by YoshL

3 scenarios

scenario 1, masons don't claim

wolves have a chance of missing a mason in wolfing next night (not this night) and we get 2 confirmed for mylo.

scenario 2, 1 mason claims

wolves get 2 confirmed human kills in a row, and we're only left with the 1 confirmed human in the end

scenario 3, 2 masons claim

wolves get 2 confirmed blah blah balh

Clearly it'd make the most sense to end the game now so that even if they did kill confirmed towns it wouldn't mean shit.

[YoshL]

don't latch onto my beliefs yo

[YoshL]

also dangerous, because you're assuming IM NOT THE GODFATHER

i'm not but still

[Charles Claythorne]

Wolf
Wolf
Wolf

Cop
Mason
Mason

Human
Human
Human

The Wolf:Human ratio is currently 3:6.

If we lynch a Wolf this Phase, the Wolves will wolf the Cop, and the ratio will become 2:5.

If we mislynch that Phase and the Wolves wolf a Human, the ratio becomes 2:3. We have both our Masons claim and choose 2 of the 3 unconfirmed Players.
However, if the Masons had claimed prior, the Wolves would for certain wolf a Mason, leaving one Mason left alive. So we would have to choose 2 of 4 unconfirmed Players instead.


That's just one scenario, but in the other scenarios where both Masons live, Humans still benefit with Masons claiming at MYLO. To put it most simply, if either Mason claims now (or even next Day Phase), that'll be one fewer confirmed Human 2 Day Phases from now, since the Wolves will for certain wolf the Cop and Mason instead of the Cop and a Human.


Of course, it's a possibility for the Wolves to actually wolf one of the Masons after wolfing the Cop, but if that occurs, the situation we find ourselves in wouldn't be different from that if the Masons had claimed. In other words, keeping the Masons in hiding until MYLO is a case where we have something to gain and nothing to lose. If either of the Masons ends up gaining the majority of a lynch, he/she can just claim and push the lynch elsewhere.

The only downside to having the Masons in hiding is that it's possible for them to be suspected (evidently, considering they potentially can be lynched), but that's more of a comment on their and everyone else's skill as much as it is on their being Masons. I think the benefits of them being in hiding is well worth the few cons.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by YoshL

also dangerous, because you're assuming IM NOT THE GODFATHER

i'm not but still

Does this setup have that no kill comes back as town? I don't see it in the op. Figured that was something that had to be listed if it was in play.

[Charles Claythorne]

lol or read what yoshl posted, thats basically the main idea

[YoshL]

mashi the biggest problem with what red blaster is saying is that i was seered green essentially.

[Red Blaster]

Mashi is either a mason or a wolf.

[YoshL]

i have no idea what you're talking about, if you're confused about the godfather role - godfather returns green if they're seered

[YoshL]

i honestly think it's hopeless at this point lmfao

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by YoshL

i have no idea what you're talking about, if you're confused about the godfather role - godfather returns green if they're seered

Godfather only does that if they aren't involved in the night kills I thought? And even then, that is usually listed in the op.

[Charles Claythorne]

Your being seered Green basically makes you pseudo-confirmed, since the Godfather is present. I would suspect the Wolves would ignore you in hopes of wolfing a Mason since they can at least play with the idea of you being Godfather while the Godfather is alive, whereas they can't really do anything about two Masons claiming beyond the wolfing.

[YoshL]

no that's actually a special instance of godfather that you're talking about. the normal godfather just always seers green

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by YoshL

no that's actually a special instance of godfather that you're talking about. the normal godfather just always seers green

Oh well..I've literally only been in games with that then lol

[YoshL]

hey if you're browsing this game and aren't playing in it, would you mind going off of invisible so we can see how many shitty ass wolves are hiding tyty

[Cold Kitten]

i think i'm on invisible but most (if not all) of you guys can see me lmao