11-13-2013, 10:21 PM | #1 |
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11-13-2013, 10:26 PM | #2 |
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Re: This guy's photography
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11-13-2013, 11:37 PM | #3 | |
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How to photography.
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11-13-2013, 11:59 PM | #4 |
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Alright so these may look impressive, but do not be fooled: every one of these is a composite.
#1: The shadows on the hands are distinctly grey in tone, which would not be the case in a natural setting. They are also unrealistically soft. The highlights on some of the arms have been painted on, they lack the sharp specular nature that real ones would have. Some of the reflections lack distortion too. #2: Paper is a pretty big indicator here, especially the one on the left within the briefcase. It has clear perspective issues, and that's mostly because of the mistake of the shadow at the bottom of said page: just shouldn't be there. It would have to be right up against the metal bracket to get that shadow happening. The pants are also a clear indicator of a composite photo, for obvious reasons in the highlights. ALSO: shadow from the briefcase onto the paper below looks fake as hell. #3: This one's easy. The highlights on the ridges of the face that are along the water are painted in. The reflection is a vertically motion blurred version of whats above. The linearity of the rain indicates it was also just painted in + motion blurred. It has a distinct guassian blur to it which would not happen with a real camera lens. #4: Gotta say, really awful depth of field here, and I actually am liking this photographer less by the minute, if in fact he is trying to pass these off as legit photos. The big "C" fabric to the left; how would the middle/bottom of it be sharp but the top part blurry, if it is further away from the subject? Bad attention to detail. Out of focus areas are clearly smudged looking because of a gaussian blur. #5: Not as bad. Can't exactly tell if the rain is fake or not in this one, they're just too small. But they still feel gimmicky after seeing that other fake rain photo. The biggest downfall is something I'm not sure about, but think might've been added out of desperation: look at the "bokeh" at the bottom blurry spots in the image. Only some bokeh is present, other parts look gaussian blur'd. This means the photographer has likely brought in an out of focus photo, and blend moded over the gaussian blur to make it look more natural >_____________> really low blow if my speculation is true. #6: No reflection in water, no upper parts of the suit are wet (by nature of taking steps in such deep of water, you would have spots of the suit wet that are higher up). Balloons guassian blurry, the one that is 2nd furthest back was just lazily flipped horizontally. #7: No shadow at all on the on-fire fabric onto the body. If the rope has shadowy definition, so should the body. Really nerdy here but there are jagged pixels along the edges of the body which indicate it's been cropped and they've used "Make edge" with increased contrast. You would have a slightly fuzzy pixel edge if natural. SO, hope I'm not bursting a bubble here, but I think this kind of photography is upright disrespectful, and should be said STRAIGHT UP if it is a composite or not. Otherwise, you're a cheating liar, who is being childish by denying the truth of your work.
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I do appreciate those compositions. They are visually striking. At first sight, I doubt he create them in order to convey any specific concept. They're surrealist for the sake of being surrealist. (maybe I'm not putting enough thought about those, anyway)
I thought about asking him to write a bit more about his compositions, about his creative process and everything. He has a good style he can work with. I would just prefer he could spend more time thinking about the meaning of his work instead of spending it on building a complex photo-manipulation. @Spenner : nice analysis. From what I understand, he stated earlier that he's heavily editing his photos : Quote:
And, there's tons of people doing this kind of art around.
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11-14-2013, 02:00 AM | #6 |
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I agree that it lacks meaning or even conveyance of emotion in some aspects. The elements in the photos, while seemingly surreal, are more or less a portrayal of nonsense. Rather than to be objects with placement that attempts to convey something beyond the realm of reality, they are just unlikely scenarios.
The most surreal part about the photos is the label of photography that comes with them.
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11-14-2013, 07:27 AM | #7 | |
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I do like the atmosphere in some of his pictures. They do not seem to convey any meaning per se but some of them are appealing to the eye and have a faintly evocative feeling. However, i really hope he doesn't try to pass these as photographic work as this is nothing more than deviantart tier digital manipulation, or slightly above that.
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11-14-2013, 08:39 AM | #8 |
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yeah these are masterpiece photoshop works. The paper shadow in the briefcase picture gave it away.
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11-14-2013, 08:59 AM | #9 |
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I'm no expert, but it seems more praiseworthy artistic concepts rather than good photography. I also doubt these are simply photographs, they look edited.
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Here's my analysis of your analysis, spenner!
First off, I don't think he's explicitly trying to pass these off as real. Some of these images are simply impossible to do without editing in the first place. They're fine art photographs and there's plenty of editing in photography as it is already so your assumption of him trying to pass it off as real when it's not is unfounded imo and makes you sound really biased. Quote:
The real issues though are the inconsistencies in lighting, spatial placement and cropping of the hands. The second highest arm for example has a dark burned shadowline on the right and there are a couple of cast shadows that don't look right. Some of the colors of the hands are slightly off too (like the hand that has the other hand resting on top of it near the center, which also somehow managed to be in front of the hand most center even though that hand looks to be in front of all of the arms). There's also the issue that the water is pretty clear, so you should be able to see the people underwater. Quote:
The highlights on the pants can be passed off as realistic given the fabric and folds. The lighting on the folds is consistent with lighting of the rest of the environment. There's a more obvious sign though, which is the straight cut off on the (for him) left leg's side. There's a small fold near the knee area but it's all a straight cut out. There's also the fact that the legs are missing cast shadows, when the briefcase does have a cast shadow. Quote:
For the rest, I agree with it, the rain and blur are obvious edits but the blur doesn't detract from the photo imo. Quote:
As for the background mountains (I'm assuming you meant this with the out of focus areas), this is entirely conform to reality as the light appears from behind the mountain top. You can still see the edge of the mountain if you follow it along. It's the natural lighting + the fog that obscures this, not a blur. Quote:
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The balloons seem legit as they reflect the lighting that is consistent with the environment and show some of the foliage and water too in the reflection, but there are definitely a few that are copied and pasted (given the mirrored lighting on the one you mentioned). Quote:
If the rope has a shadowy definition, so should the body? The body has shadow definition too though, just not the same values as the rope. Rope is also a completely different material than skin so they give off different reflections/values/colors. This argument doesn't make much sense. Given that the smoke and fire is so well incorporated into the environment, I doubt the pixel edge was due to a crop, but more likely due to a sharpen to make it pop out more. The photos are listed under his fine art category, not portraits or anything else. I don't see how this is "upright disrespectful" to not mention it is composited when it's listed under fine art. A bit of rational thought would tell you this is obviously composited due to some physical impossibilities and I think the fact that you assume he is trying to cheat is a disrespectful assumption on its own. His editing is not a crime. He's using the tools at hand to what would otherwise be hard/impossible to accomplish (regardless of the editing flaws).
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I don't want to keep stretching pages but overall I respect the analysis of the analysis very valid for the most part. Just a few things;
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It's seems really nitpicky but the difference between gaussian blur and natural lens blur is definitive. Granted, in some of these photos it was a subtle use, but it's usually mimicking something that a lens wouldn't allow for. A counterargument for that though is the fact that, since these are indeed more of the fine art category (maybe on some of the sites he's posted on, others have no such labelling), that the effect of the blur is to aid the visual hierarchy, regardless of it's consistency with reality. That's valid in my books for fine art. Quote:
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You're going to need to elaborate though, because I don't see a shadow here: Also the rope comparison was merely to say that since there's clearly some shadow happening in the environment (I don't think necessarily the material of the rope is cause alone for it to have a shadow, it's because of lighting; there is fire right above it which is likely the cause of that shadow, but there's is just nothing coming off of that fabric and onto the body). Quote:
Ohaider, just curious, did you think these were legit when you posted the thread? --and while I definitely agree it's disrespectful to assume these were designed as a form of trickery, it was under the assumption that these were under the category of photography, which they are definitely not, so that opinion of mine has been rendered flat. Also I recognize that being fooled by these does not automatically make them any less of what they are, fine art, and one should probably be questioning their beliefs of a lot of the photographs they see. I appreciate the insights Tristiano~
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11-14-2013, 01:00 PM | #12 |
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"looks photoshopped"
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I'll reply to a few more points where I take it it isn't that clear to you.
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11-14-2013, 02:39 PM | #14 |
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Tristin quit acting like you're all knowledgeable when it comes to photography and graphic design. Where's darkshark when you need him...
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11-17-2013, 10:25 PM | #16 |
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Can't we all just agree that these pieces of photomanipulation are nice? Of course there's room for improvement though, especially on shadows and reflections, but this person's still pretty good.
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11-18-2013, 11:42 AM | #17 |
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We've agreed to that already, albeit in some subtle ways, but there's no real hostility anymore.
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11-18-2013, 02:05 PM | #18 |
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It's a fucking picture big deal.
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11-18-2013, 02:14 PM | #19 |
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tl;dr This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.
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11-18-2013, 02:55 PM | #20 |
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Am I the only one who thinks that this kind of "art" is incredibly pretentious and overall really really low quality?
Its not unique, its not special, and really its pretty low quality too. The one with all the hands doesnt look like he even tried. |
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