Any way to not feel this way?

[Shiki.]

Originally Posted by Fission

plot twist: doug31 is findarian

not sure if srs

[Fission]

you're not very smart are you

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by SKG_Scintill

See it the other way round.
Do the players at the top 99.99 percentile actually get anything for being there? no.
Have they (in the literal sense of the word) achieved something? yes.

As if every person on the planet can enter the Olympics if they want to and then complain that they didn't get the medal because of those damn no-life 18-hours-a-day-training faggits.

No. Achievements are to be achieved; not when you think you've deserved them yourself.

That's a good and funny analogy, but there are key differences, at least in some people's eyes. Many who play video games view achievements as something to be attained before moving on to the next game, like collecting absolutely everything in Ocarina of Time. When the requirements for an achievement specifically involve reaching the highest tier in the current pool of players, then almost no one will be able to "complete" the game.

Again, I am not describing my own mindset, but a mindset held by many people who play games. I'm not trying to argue that FFR skill tokens or Xbox achievements should be set up this way or that way. I just want to point out that such thinking is far from an isolated case.

[hi19hi19]

This reminds me of all the "I'm sick of this game because I'm bad" threads that you see in MMO forums. That shit is killing WoW and it's sad to see the exact tone of post here in FFR, a place that is usually relatively free of this kind of thing.

There are people who have more natural skill/put in more effort and they deserve something for that. That's cool.

Enjoy the game for what it is. You should be playing it for your enjoyment, not... epeen, or recognition, or whatever. If you think that the people designing the game (i.e. the simfile artists) should change their focus, then just mention it concicesly and constructively.

"In my opinion, the game should have more easy files and fewer hard tokens."

vs.

"blah blah social disconnect blah target audience blah blah psychology effects"

Honestly if you are not enjoying a game, don't play it. Why is this so hard to understand for some people...

[yo man im awesome]

This thread is getting far too much attention.

[Nullifidian]

Hand out all the everything to everyone for doing fuck all!




Seriously though, welcome to reality. You can't just have everything you want. You have to work for it. Nothing unfair about that.
Grow the fuck up

[dragonmegaXX]

If OP spent as much time practicing FFR as he did writing this "woe is me" rant, he would be SDG'ing FGO's.

You're basically complaining that FFR has an achievement system. Do you hate Xbox too?

[One Winged Angel]

The main problem here (I think) is that Doug (and possibly others) have a goal of 'completing' FFR, which I could only assume involves AAA'ing every file in the game, public and token. And okay that's cool, being a completionist myself I can relate to this. Goals are nice to have. I'm assuming that because some of these tokens seem so ridiculous to unlock for a person in D4, it gets to a point where pursuing that goal seems pointless, because you don't even have access to the files you wish to eventually work towards AAA'ing.

If I hit it on the head, please take my advice, and I'm going to be blunt. Do not approach FFR with this completionist attitude and expect that one day, with enough effort and hard work, you'll have AAA'd every file in game. It will not happen. Not for you, not for anyone, and it honestly sucks the fun out of the game. I'm not throwing down a gauntlet here, this is just one game where a perfect score on every file is definitely never going to happen. There are maybe one or two players that could get very close (can get everything barring maybe 5 songs), but AAA on everything, no chance.

Also, (again, if this is the issue) you're looking way too far ahead. Take smaller steps. Work towards oni or AAA'ing/FC'ing all songs up to a certain difficulty threshold, and then set the bar a bit higher once you hit that point. That's how you'll get better. Getting upset at not having access to songs that are of difficulties way beyond the playability scope of most players because ultimately you want to be able to destroy them one day is silly. Smaller steps and incremental goal-setting is the way to go if you insist on keeping that mindset.

If this isn't the issue, ignore this post (if it isn't already ignored lol). Just getting a strong vibe here that it is.

[~Zeta~]

How did I miss this thread? lol

great read for lunch.

sounds like doug's backlashing behind a fake wall at high-skill players.

What did we do

EDIT: @owa, compleitionism sucks in this game particularly since it's still a 30 fps game with 30 fps conversions. I absolutely have no fun trying to improve my ranks because of combo-scoring and the amount of framers generated in FGO's. seriously, framers suck in FGO's

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by _.Spitfire._

You have to work for it.

I'm pretty sure I can invest my entire life on FFR, do Stepmania training, follow top players advice blindly and never unlock Unconnected.

Edit: OWA pretty much summed up how I'm viewing the game..

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

When the requirements for an achievement specifically involve reaching the highest tier in the current pool of players, then almost no one will be able to "complete" the game.

Well I'm sure it is pretty clear to most that FFR wasn't made with the mindset of playing the game for a short amount of time, getting all the "achievements", and tossing it aside for a new game. If you plan on getting into FFR, you are in it for the long haul if you want to get good scores, and get close to the top tier. FFR is trying to keep people invested in the game with constant additions of new songs, and tokens for people to strive towards attaining.

In reality, you never will "complete" FFR, if you are considering all of the possible elements to perfect. You'll never AAA every song, you'll probably never get every single tier point, you probably won't get the highest MP level, or get the highest GTS, etc. Getting all of the tokens really is only a fraction of FFR in it's entirety, and you really shouldn't feel like you completed this game just because you have them all. This game is more about meeting your own personal goals, and enjoying yourself as you get better and better at smashing arrows, than it is about getting the tokens.

I know it wasn't your point of view, but I just wanted to throw this out there.

[Nullifidian]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'm pretty sure I can invest my entire life on FFR, do Stepmania training, follow top players advice blindly and never unlock Unconnected.

Edit: OWA pretty much summed up how I'm viewing the game..

Well, tough fucking luck if you can't. Not everybody can be the best at something (or even get close to the top), be it FFR's skill tokens, FFR's anti-skill tokens or any other thing EVER conceived.

edit: Doesn't mean you can't have fun doing that activity or aim for the top anyway though. It's just stupid to think like doug31 does however.
If you're not good enough, accept it or aim to become better.

[mi40]

doug, you can't become the best at everything

apparently you're the #1 kid icarus player on the nintendo ds, so there's that

but you're not going to anywhere near the upper echelon of players in ffr/sm without dedicating time to it (like you did with kid icarus, you prob dedicated a ton of time to it)

also tokens & special files are made as a reward thing, not everyone can have them

if you're playing the game to become the best & unlock all content you're doing it wrong

[mi40]

and if you suddenly had access to tokens like vrofl, coactive, dendrite, and such

you would play them like 5 times total and realize they're just like any other file lol

[AlexDest]

*sniff*

something smells bad in this thread

[Elmerz]

Doug sure has a lot to read.

[TC_Halogen]

To the OP of this thread: all of the players that have reached a level of skill beyond comprehension certainly started far below that, and a certain level of dedication brought them higher and higher in skill to the point that they are now.

Here's what I currently think:

Definition: Worse than locked content: It means content that is locked for some, but not for others, and some can't unlock it. Then it's just like locked content is on other games, but worse, because you know some other people got it unlocked.

Tokens and especially skill tokens are just so bad that they ruin the entire game. I know most of you don't seem to think that's the case, so maybe you could enlighten me with how you manage to think of things that way.

First off, content is not locked for some and not others under any circumstance -- it's locked for everyone and then -unlocked- by players that have the skill to do so. There is a clear difference between that and what you have said, because you are implying that some tokens physically can't be unlocked; they all can be unlocked, but some tokens take an enormity of dedication to get (Pianocore, Here We Go, Token Whore, etc).

Here are the problems with them:

1. First, and although obvious, still important: That some players can't play certain songs. Maybe not a big deal to some, but there's one song I think sounds just so beautiful and I'll never get to play it so this isn't a small point.

The mentality of "I'll never get to play" means that you have outright quit on your efforts to get it. Just because the requirement is incredibly difficult and strict does not mean that you will never get it, but it will require a large amount of effort for you to progress from where you are now to the point from where you can unlock the song. The same holds true for others, and did hold true for everyone who has played this game. Everyone who played any game like this started absolutely terrible in skill. Some might have had music-related advantages (playing percussion/piano/etc. and making a connection with visually noted rhythms by color certainly made the skill curve of this game a bit easier to take).

2. The social disconnect. I don't feel on the same ground on the forums as the players that have the really hard skill tokens. It's an extra way they can connect but I can't, and although I've added a bunch of them to my ignore list, it still just seems so annoying all the time. As it stands now, I would rather just try to stay away from them. And they like their little elite group so that they'll defend the tokens, and seeing that they probably make the majority of the posts around here since most of the weaker players have already had enough of the worse than locked content and quit. As such, the tokens are probably not going away.

There are so MANY things about this post that I dislike, and it is quite unbelievable to say the least. You admitting to ignoring players that have busted their butts to unlock the elite tokens is insane. We're not defending the tokens because we're part of an elite group, we're defending the tokens because those tokens are intended to be difficult to unlock. If the game is full of easily attainable tokens, what does that do for the higher level players that need a challenge once in a while? If anything, you're actually the one with the elitist attitude, because you are trying to a.) say that the larger players are part of this elite group defending a group of tokens that most of us at this point, probably don't care about having and b.) imply that lower level players have had enough of the worse than locked content and quit. There is plenty of excellent content in game that isn't locked, but in your scenario, it seems like you have to go out of your way to enjoy it. It isn't the other group of players' fault that you have incredibly picky tastes.

3. The difficulty. No, not what you likely think. What I mean is that, in my rating of video games, this used to have the best possible rating. Why? Because you could just play songs of any level and have fun with them. Now, it's the worst possible difficulty level where it's ridiculously hard to unlock too many things. I have played tons of other games, and absolutely none of the other ones have anything nearly as hard to unlock as this game does. So, in this category, IMO, this game might even be dead last among all games ever made.

This statement is beyond opinionated, and is downright ridiculous.

4. The target audience and its implications. Back in the old days, I had played this game more than anyone else. I thought it was one of the most fun games ever made and it was made so that the highly dedicated fans like myself could really enjoy it. But now look. It's clearly catering to the very best players as the target audience. So, the staff, or some subset of it, hates all non-elite players. That's probably not the case, but that's how it comes across to me.

You know what -- this comment, BEYOND all things, absolutely drives me up of the wall. I'm going to play the narcissist for a split-second just to make a point -- there's no doubt in my mind that I'm a super-top-tier player; I've AAA'd two different level 93 files. I am also the person responsible for coordinating site events. The second most recent event that I ran (May-hem) went on for a full month, starting with challenges like this:

Challenges:
- Get over 86 perfects on Pita.
Reward: 10 credits



- Obtain a FC (Full Combo) on Power with less than 5 boos.
Reward: 20 credits


- Obtain a AAA (100% perfect judgments) on Free Space.
Reward: 30 credits


- Obtain a FC (Full Combo) on Finding a Way with less than 20 boos.
Reward: 45 credits

If you can, in your right mind, tell me that this is elite level, then there is absolutely something wrong. Among everything that you have said, this point is by far the most disrespectful thing you could have possibly said, not only to everyone who happens to exist in that level of the community, but also to those who actually contribute content catered to players at this level. At this point, it is 100% just seeming like you are an overspent player that wants to go back to the times where the game was less significant in terms of quality and structure. If it seems like I'm upset, it's because this really struck a bad chord with me.

5. The psychology effects on playing the game. I just feel like I can't enjoy the game anymore because of the above. I also feel like I don't have the determination to play it very good anymore.

This seems like the root of all of your problems. You cannot sit here and make these kinds of complaints while saying that you don't have the determination to improve. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds to those who started from the bottom and worked their way to the top? There are a number of players that went from lowly-D1 players to mid/high-level players (D4+) in a short span because they had the will to push through the game as hard as they did. I can name a ton of players that didn't quit and reaped the benefits.

After all that, is there any way I can hope to get back to actually thinking this game is good again? The game is just so fun I want to have a way that I can keep liking it, but I don't think there is one. I think I'm going to move on to better games soon unless there's something I just haven't thought of.

I...don't understand this part, above all. You say the game is fun, but you... don't like it.

I'm through with what I need to say -- I don't think I can reiterate anything more than everyone else has.

[Choofers]

Originally Posted by Izzy

Stepmania.

goddamnit izzy you beat me to it

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by YoshL

stepmania.

I beat you all

[clasko1000]

Som som STEPMAINA som som.

This thread confuses me, as a person that has played this game for a number of years now, i thought i would never AAA Playdoh(48), I got it a little while back, after which im still upset that i cant get less than 3 on {Rose}(55), Midnight happens to be my favorite song by CnB and i would love to play it. Im down to 14 or something, but hey im getting closer. Im also upset that i got my friend into the game and he has vrofl from D1 @ 8th offical. Hes been playing for less than a year, but hey im only 40 bil away from it. Im still upset ect... The list goes on, I want more than i have, but im trying.

TL;DR I feel your pain, but you should be bitching about this, honestly dude.