legacy files to alter!

[gold stinger]

I say leave the legacy files in the engine but keep them all locked and hidden and only available to Veterans. It makes sense because Veterans have played on the site for some time and seems only fit to have songs for veterans that have also been on the site for some time. Also, the title for FFR Veteran is blue, just like the tagged color for Legacy files. what a coincidence. And, to top it off, it refrains new players from playing crappy files and giving the newer players something to work for, where as the current situation of "FFR Veteran" status is lacking rewards.

If you lock off legacy songs to FFR Veterans, it would make the title more worthwhile to get, would save new players from suffering through those files, and WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BOTH PROBLEMS ANYMORE.

[Netjet!]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

where as the current situation of "FFR Veteran" status is lacking rewards.

not really a great reward hahaha

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Netjet!

not really a great reward hahaha

It opens up an entirely new genre for people to play in. How is it not rewarding? That's like getting access to the Funk genre.

Sure it may not seem as much for people that already have the title, and would seem kind of stupid because we are not making changes to the files themselves,

but it gets newer players something to work for in general rather than getting credit loans from other top tier players to buy the entire "Purchased" genre and have enough leftover for the "Secret" genre. Also more people would play the game as well because they would have something immediately taken away, increasing site traffic at some extent, which has also been lacking since the reboot of the website. Even if it's miniscule, it still has value.

Just trying to think of ways to hit two birds with one stone. Who knows, maybe more can be added to the legacy genre in the near future as legacy2 (to show properly synced files) according to what you did with that dance genre. I can think of a couple songs to put under that legacy2 (hinthintcrowdpleaserhinthint)

[Netjet!]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

It opens up an entirely new genre for people to play in. How is it not rewarding? That's like getting access to the Funk genre.

Sure it may not seem as much for people that already have the title, and would seem kind of stupid because we are not making changes to the files themselves,

I was going along the lines of since they're already public, it will only be a "new genre" for the newer users that join the site once they become private/vet only. But yeah I see your point.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I say leave the legacy files in the engine but keep them all locked and hidden and only available to Veterans.

I... actually like this idea. However, remember folks, there's still plenty of old songs on FFR that are not specifically "Blue Note Syndrome".

May I direct your attention... to Pants. Hard file, but goodness is the chart just... whoa...

Pretty much all the early files that are colored have the same issues as the Blue Note Syndrome files.

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I say leave the legacy files in the engine but keep them all locked and hidden and only available to Veterans.

This actually sounds like an awesome idea. The only people who would really care about playing these files anyway would be people who have been members of this site for a long time and are nostalgia struck or something. This also pretty much implies public ranks would no longer have these files within their lists, which would be another great plus.

This would also allow FFR to always be putting it's best foot forward when it is found by newer people. I'm sure anyone who checks out FFR (especially those who have played other rhythm games in the past) would probably be pretty unsatisfied if they happened to start their song selections in the legacy genre. It's sort of like getting a new pack for StepMania, where if the set-list has quite a few off-sync files, and you happen to play a few of those ones first. You might think the whole thing is crap and just remove it (or in the case of FFR go somewhere else for rhythm gaming).

I suppose if newer players are interested in FFR's history (which would only happen if they became a frequent and probably dedicated member) when they become a veteran they can enjoy the wonders of the legacy genre as well. If it's only real reason to be around is for historical purposes, it might as well be treated as nothing more than an archive, rewarded to those who are probably the only ones who would want it in the first place.

Although since none of this is going to be implemented (or even remotely considered by anyone of power I'm sure) I guess it really doesn't matter. Guess we can all talk about it for a few more days until the thread dies though.

[ce1545]

Originally Posted by foxfire667

This actually sounds like an awesome idea. The only people who would really care about playing these files anyway would be people who have been members of this site for a long time and are nostalgia struck or something. This also pretty much implies public ranks would no longer have these files within their lists, which would be another great plus.

This would also allow FFR to always be putting it's best foot forward when it is found by newer people. I'm sure anyone who checks out FFR (especially those who have played other rhythm games in the past) would probably be pretty unsatisfied if they happened to start their song selections in the legacy genre. It's sort of like getting a new pack for StepMania, where if the set-list has quite a few off-sync files, and you happen to play a few of those ones first. You might think the whole thing is crap and just remove it (or in the case of FFR go somewhere else for rhythm gaming).

I suppose if newer players are interested in FFR's history (which would only happen if they became a frequent and probably dedicated member) when they become a veteran they can enjoy the wonders of the legacy genre as well. If it's only real reason to be around is for historical purposes, it might as well be treated as nothing more than an archive, rewarded to those who are probably the only ones who would want it in the first place.

Although since none of this is going to be implemented (or even remotely considered by anyone of power I'm sure) I guess it really doesn't matter. Guess we can all talk about it for a few more days until the thread dies though.

The only problem I see with this is that some people won't be able to unlock certain skill tokens unless they're dedicated enough to meet the requirements to become a veteran.

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by ce1545

The only problem I see with this is that some people won't be able to unlock certain skill tokens unless they're dedicated enough to meet the requirements to become a veteran.

Of course I would forget something like that. It would be rather annoying to have to become a Veteran before unlocking them, perhaps there is a less intensive requirement we could devise that would allow this to work.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by qqwref

I really don't like the idea of restepping/"fixing" the legacy files at all, for these reasons:
- the files are pretty objectively bad anyway, apart from the offsyncness and blue note syndrome, and the songs aren't too great either, so even if they're "fixed" people aren't going to enjoy the new ones
- it would ruin the work of all the people who actually went and AAA'd the files for real (in a way that relegating them to the token ranks wouldn't)
- and of course, Synthlight wouldn't like it

^

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I say leave the legacy files in the engine but keep them all locked and hidden and only available to Veterans. [...]

This is 100% the best happy medium that you will be able to obtain -- those who already have gone through the nightmare of having to do those ridiculously off-sync/impossible to play files will still have their results rewarded, and those who are new to the game won't have to immediately be exposed to it. The only issue with this is that Veteran status does take quite long to obtain for someone that hasn't played the game, since your grand total is correlative to how quickly you can receive Veteran status. Perhaps you can set a point value to unlock the Legacy genre (a point value that is indicative of you playing the game for a decent while and that you might intend on staying; something like 1 billion points?).

EDIT: With that being said, we should have one member of the development team create a token that will unlock all files from the legacy genre at whatever condition is agreed on within the community. There also should probably be a quick engine change for Legacy/Velocity/any engines that include the Legacy genre; write a conditional statement that checks whether or not you have the listed requirement and displays all of the songs or makes the genre unclickable.

[Raining Nails]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

With that being said, we should have one member of the development team create a token that will unlock all files from the legacy genre at whatever condition is agreed on within the community. There also should probably be a quick engine change for Legacy/Velocity/any engines that include the Legacy genre; write a conditional statement that checks whether or not you have the listed requirement and displays all of the songs or makes the genre unclickable.

This sounds very reasonable. I also think that the requirement to unlock these should be based more on total points/gameplay than on a more specific task (such as AAA'ing a certain song or obtaining 5,600 boos and passing Blue Army) Perhaps 2,000 lifetime gameplays?