11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

[eastsideman09]

Originally Posted by Aldentron

While Mans0n has said a lot of totally ****ing STUPID shit, this sentence alone makes Mans0n look 500x more wise than everyone else debating in this thread.

I don't think "wise" is the right word, because when I read that post, I thought "well, no shit..."

I wouldn't call it a "stalemate" either, I think "pointless" works better.

[Aldentron]

Originally Posted by eastsideman09

I don't think "wise" is the right word, because when I read that post, I thought "well, no shit..."

In my opinion, the most wise is the most simple.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Mans0n

no

you asking me why i don't believe in leperchaunism is trolling fyi

it's not trolling. It's a legitimate question, considering that both Christianity and Leprechaunism have equal amounts of evidence in their favor (that is to say, none at all). The fact that you're avoiding the question is lol.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Aldentron

While Mans0n has said a lot of totally ****ing STUPID shit, this sentence alone makes Mans0n look 500x more wise than everyone else debating in this thread.

Reincarnate, don't ruin it for the rest of us atheists. Your lack of compassion, empathy and outright disregard for respect is disgusting, and you appear much less humane than most Christians I have met in my lifetime. Shame on you for perpetuating the stereotype. You are the equivalent of an evangelist.

you've got to be kidding me lmfao lmfao

you're taking an extremely naive view of the issue. It's not as simple as "back off and respect religion because who's really right in the end?"

[MrGiggles]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

you've got to be kidding me lmfao lmfao

you're taking an extremely naive view of the issue. It's not as simple as "back off and respect religion because who's really right in the end?"

No, but it's as simple as "don't be a dick to people." I think I've called you out on this before too, I think Alden is right.

You are the Richard Dawkins of FFR, and that's cool except that RD is an abrasive person and because of that he will never convince anyone on the other side. They just hate/disregard him instead. Which is pretty much what Mans0n is doing.

[Aldentron]

My viewpoint is extremely naive when you don't even care to consider the pros to having faith. Right.

[Reincarnate]

That's absolutely wrong lmfao thought you were smarter than that.

There's a very serious problem with telling people that it's OK to blindly justify faith. As an example you've got ~kitty~ in this very thread saying crap like

Originally Posted by ~kitty~

Latter point for you as well, I meant I didn't want to just have it where I "lived life the way I want to live it." This may seem weird, but I kind of don't want others to live life they want to live it either.

which is actually a lot more prevalent than you think, which is why religion buts its head into more aspects of life than is welcome.

So no, it's not over the top to say "I've had enough with the BS and with society telling people that it's OK to push baseless crap on others out of your own ignorance and arrogance."

That sort of religious mindset is infinitely more arrogant than anything a strident atheist can put forth.

[Reincarnate]

Originally Posted by Aldentron

My viewpoint is extremely naive when you don't even care to consider the pros to having faith. Right.

Cons far outweigh the pros, no contest.

[Reach]

Reach you have no evidence that rapture isn't going to happen. So lets just stop and call it a stalemate. You obviously think you know everything about everything lol. so there's no point, we will be doing this all day.

Actually, no, I don't think I know everything about everything. Quite the opposite, actually.

The entire foundation of my argument revolves around admitting ignorance. I then use that ignorance as a tool to show that, until remedied, I reject claims for which I can learn nothing about. If anything, your comment applies to you, not me, as you appear to have gleaned vast knowledge of things you have no empirical tangibility of.

That's where I see you still don't understand what I'm saying. You wouldn't have made that comment otherwise, and you certainly wouldn't have stated that I don't have evidence the rapture won't happen, which is something I already dealt with explicitly in the core of my argument. It was a very key point, with a link, so I wonder if you have even been reading what I've said.

However, I will point out that forcing a stop on an argument doesn't mean it's a stalemate If we're playing chess here, I have to agree to a draw, you can't simply proclaim one.

I will, however, agree to respectfully yield and leave things where they are.

So if I go all-in on 7♥2♣ preflop in a game of Texas Hold 'Em and I believe strongly enough that I have the winning hand because I have faith, am I guaranteed to win?

No because later evidence is revealed that you in fact had the shittiest hand in poker.

As much as I appreciate the point you're trying to make, in this situation manson still has a reasonable chance to suck out


As an ending note, many of you individuals need to lighten up. A lot. Seriously, learn to engage in debate with people on any topic. Religion doesn't need to be a sacred topic that people can't have a discussion about. It also doesn't need to be a topic you intend to sway opinions on. I never intended to sway Manson; I'm simply responding to him. You can call it pointless if you want, but most conversation is.

You also don't have the right to not be offended. Maybe Reincarnate is being a dick in your opinion, but learn to deal with it. Engage in debating points that are made, not side issues. The points that he has been making have been dodged repeatedly, regardless of whether or not he is offensive, so many of you are at fault as much as he is.

[Reincarnate]

also a note on Dawkins to MrGiggles:

You do realize that it doesn't matter how "nice" you are -- people like mans0n aren't likely to change their views, right? You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Once someone has taken that kind of mindset, it's almost a lost cause unless they get the intellectual curiosity on their own merit.

I actually more closely follow Neil deGrasse Tyson in his view. Ultimately, the best tool for remedying ignorance is education -- getting people more scientifically literate about the world. The religious stuff tends to naturally filter itself out as a result, which is why we see a correlation between intelligence and the likelihood that one is atheist.

Almost everyone invokes God when they're pushed to the limits of their ignorance -- even Newton did so. But God is otherwise a shrinking pocket of ignorance at the mercy of knowledge. Richard Dawkins is indeed an asshole but I don't fault him for being abrasive, because his point isn't about converting people. Dawkins will easily convert any ignorant yet rational person sitting on the fence who takes his arguments seriously -- but you're almost never going to butt your way into a religious mind and force it to accept evidence. That's just not the end goal.

The ideal goal is to simply become less ignorant and to support keeping literacy high, church and state separated, and the merit of evidence soaring upwards in its priority of weighting over superstition and fearmongering.

[Aldentron]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Cons far outweigh the pros, no contest.

There are countless Christian charities world wide. When was the last time you volunteered? When was the last time you donated to a charity? When was the last time you did something out of compassion for your community or fellow man?
These are the ideas that most Christians hold. While I do not care to believe in their God or attend their churches, I commend those that do what is good. What good have you done in this thread other than spreading doubt and hatred towards these people? Again, shame on you.

[Reincarnate]

I've volunteered plenty. You don't need to be religious to be charitable and moral toward common society. Most charity work is not done through Christian establishments, either, so you aren't going to get too far trying to propagate that myth.

And stop trying to twist it into "hatred" -- it's a spreading of scientific literacy and logical, reasoned, rational thinking. And yes, the whole point is to get people to question things more rather than blindly swallowing what holy books tell you.

[OneHandNow]

It's kind of hard to focus on reading your posts when you have so many.. Asian women in your signature just bouncing about like that, Marcus

[Reincarnate]

Yeah I went ahead and removed em now XD

[Aldentron]

Quotes of Reincarnate expressing hate through insult in 2 FFR threads about religion:

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

I have no problem calling out religious people on the retardation of their beliefs

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Acting like a logic-defying retard and actually being one doesn't come across any differently.

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

that isn't even remotely a valid response to the question lol, but alright at least I know now you're trolling

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

I am not sure if it's seriously worth replying to that level of stupidity.

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

Just wanted to finalize this by saying you're a complete retard

I even reported this one, completely uncalled for.

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

lol if you're going to troll, at least be good at it

Your "logical, reasoned, and rational thinking" sure is unnecessarily demeaning.

As for charity, my point is not that Christians do the majority of volunteer work, my point is that the reason Christians do volunteer work is because their faith promotes it.

[OneHandNow]

And Christians also do various other things because their faith promotes it.

Such as indoctrination of children.

[Aldentron]

Look, my problem is that not ONCE has ANYBODY in this thread tried to acknowledge the good things that religion provides. It would appear that mans0n and ChesterDalton are the only religious people in this thread, and even they have so far failed to acknowledge this.
Failure to look at both sides of a coin is quite ignorant. If you're as eloquent and intelligent as the members of this forum would lead me to believe, Reincarnate, you should very well know that.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by Aldentron

My point is that the reason Christians do volunteer work is because their faith promotes it.

I'm an atheist.
I'm an Eagle Scout.
I've done more volunteer work than you can shake a stick at.
I am not religious.

Originally Posted by Aldentron

As for charity, my point is not that Christians do the majority of volunteer work.

I'd like to see the statistics on this.

[MrGiggles]

Originally Posted by Reincarnate

also a note on Dawkins to MrGiggles:

You do realize that it doesn't matter how "nice" you are -- people like mans0n aren't likely to change their views, right? You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. Once someone has taken that kind of mindset, it's almost a lost cause unless they get the intellectual curiosity on their own merit.

Just because the chances of successfully convincing someone to question their beliefs are slim doesn't mean you shouldn't make the minimal effort. The person on the other side of the debate won't take you seriously unless you take him/her seriously. If you attack people's beliefs aggressively the way you are apt to do, they'll get defensive and retreat back into a "DONT LISTEN TO THE DEVIL" mentality. Grats, they're now probably less likely to make a committed intellectual effort in the future. Approaching them with a modicum of respect and civility makes you much more likely to get people to at least consider thinking about what you say.

You say you tend to follow NDT's methods and reasoning rather than Dawkins, and NDT is A+ awesomesauce, but look at Aldentron's list of quotes and tell me you honestly don't think you're being too abrasive towards people who honestly believe they're making the world a better place through practicing their beliefs.

edit: plus, it's just straight up not nice to refer to someone as retarded, even if they are. This ain't the gBin yet.
ps you're retarded ;o

[Andrew Mitchell]

candians are far better than americans they do not cause trouble and mind their own business