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Old 01-19-2011, 02:16 AM   #101
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It's trying to compare spanking to killing people with modern warfare, which isn't even remotely compatible.
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by the time they get old enough to really think about these things they will have matured enough to not let it bother them. Too bad not everybody turns out like this, and to them I say, "grow up". Don't let the past effect your present and what could be a great life. You're making it horrible by dwelling on what happened too much.
You may not remember the spanking but the damage is there. It has shaped your mind and even though you may have been able to get over it and "forget", it's still there. It being a part of you and most likely, you would have turned out being way better without it.

EDIT : Just wanted to add that the article has a pretty much shitty conception of the evolutionist view. Humans are just evolved animals ? Bullshit, what separate us from animals is what we call thinking. That's an ability only human have.
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That article is one of the most hilariously horrible pieces of trash I have read for a long while. this almost doesn't even warrant a response. anything being squeezed out through the sphincter that is Fox News is almost an immediate red flag. that article reeks of faulty logic, inappropriate analogies, and a basic failure to understand the merits of reinforcement.

Did you actually go read that study? It's pretty flimsy and actually doesn't directly address what was claimed in that article -- for every one shitty pro-spanking study you show, you can find a hundred more that fully detail why spanking is not a great solution -- with conclusions that are consistent with basic psychological phenomena that underlie countess other facets of the human psyche -- anything you can possibly think of.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:20 AM   #104
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It's trying to compare spanking to killing people with modern warfare, which isn't even remotely compatible.
oooh I see, apologies.

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You may not remember the spanking but the damage is there. It has shaped your mind and even though you may have been able to get over it and "forget", it's still there. It being a part of you and most likely, you would have turned out being way better without it.
Yes, the damage is there, but I think if you have the determination you can change your whole being, become somebody better. Leave the past behind and not let it scar you anymore. I agree that somebody would probably be better off without the abuse in the first place, but there are occasions when the spanking helps, as it did with me.

edit: well I'll see you guys later, it was nice to have this discussion/debate with you guys. G'night/morning. >_>
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:25 AM   #105
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but there are occasions when the spanking helps, as it did with me.
The only think you get from that is fear. Which isn't helping at all. There are better ways to teach a child discipline.

and yeah the article is utter BS

I find funny that the U.S. has a really strong hatred against terrorism and yet approve methods of learning that uses fear. Just something that crossed my mind.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:25 AM   #106
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Give me an example of when spanking is not abusive.

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2. characterized by physical or psychological maltreatment
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:28 AM   #107
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lol

The only time I can see spanking as not being "abusive" (traumatic) is if it's 5 spanks max, and done rarely. The thing is, that usually doesn't happen. One solid smack to show a child what it's like could be justifiable, but smacking away at the kid's ass is completely impulsive.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:28 AM   #108
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And just so you guys know, I posted that article so Bix would shut the **** up about his ego the size of ****ing Andromeda for about 5 minutes.

Continue, please.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:31 AM   #109
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And just so you guys know, I posted that article so Bix would shut the **** up about his ego the size of ****ing Andromeda for about 5 minutes.

Continue, please.
So your method to "shut me up" is by posting an absurdly shitty article with an even more laughable study? Good job there, turbo.

who needs science and statistics mang, right? that shit hurts my headdd -- we should just call everything from the gut and call it a night!!!1
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I don't get why you'd want to say that you posted an article like that to "shut someone up". It doesn't render the arguments stated against spanking as invalid.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:35 AM   #111
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The only time I can see spanking as not being "abusive" (traumatic) is if it's 5 spanks max, and done rarely. The thing is, that usually doesn't happen. One solid smack to show a child what it's like could be justifiable, but smacking away at the kid's ass is completely impulsive.
It seems like a dominance thing to me, like "Hey, my kids annoying the **** outta me, spanking his ass should shut him up, when it really only makes em cry more."


And for whoever posted when the child gets older, hopefully he/she has matured enough not to do such stupid things. Some don't though, my brother got caught with a bb gun on the bus in 8th grade, my dad whipped him with a belt, would any of you find this a good punishment? He got expelled and My mom had to drive him to school and the school was about 5 miles farther than the school he got expelled from.
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besides andromeda is a ****ing awesome galaxy. too bad it's like 2 million light years away. luckily, it's on a collision course with our very own milky way galaxy.

besides i'm surprised a spank-loving gay-bashing neophyte ****face like virus003 even knows what andromeda is.
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What should be considered is preventing the action from happening in the first place.

The biggest problem with spanking is that it can only be done after the action has occured.
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Old 01-19-2011, 02:39 AM   #115
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i got spanked and turned out alright. i also have a very close and trusting relationship with both of my parents. i never really found anything wrong with it, but it was more of a cultural thing. i also only got spanked for doing things aren't tolerated for children to do to their parents (in my culture) such as swearing, talking back, or anything of that sort

rubix, you're arguing as if there's only one method of disciplining a child. clearly that's not the case in this situation.. this is a fairly controversial and needless to say extremely subjective topic at hand

i think you're all better off agreeing to disagree.. this thread doesn't seem to be going anywhere.
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rubix, you're arguing as if there's only one method of disciplining a child. clearly that's not the case in this situation.. this is a fairly controversial and needless to say extremely subject topic at hand
just because there are two different viewpoints doesn't mean they're equally valid. the evidence clearly points towards an overwhelmingly clear conclusion in favor of positive reinforcement over spanking. there are obviously many ways to discipline a child, but that doesn't mean they're all equally good and boil down to "matter of opinion."
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Obviously there's more than one method - but spanking isn't that efficient of a tool to use. It's like using a saw to cut a piece of paper in half - it may work, but it's absolute overkill/unnecessary and also uncomfortable. Alternatives would be scissors (easy to use and more efficient for cutting the paper), etc.
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I don't get why you'd want to say that you posted an article like that to "shut someone up". It doesn't render the arguments stated against spanking as invalid.
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what ever happened to people having the right to an opinion

oh yeah mr rubix here has to be the worlds biggest ****ing jerk off and doesn't comprehend with anyone, he must be right,

"yeah you're wrong, statistics show this"

oh yeah i thought you were out of this thread wut happened
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So you're denying his right to his opinion of statistics and empirical evidence to back up his claims being more effective?

Opinions tend to have a good amount of bias in them, while data collected from experiments are more objective.
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Obviously there's more than one method - but spanking isn't that efficient of a tool to use. It's like using a saw to cut a piece of paper in half - it may work, but it's absolute overkill/unnecessary and also uncomfortable. Alternatives would be scissors (easy to use and more efficient for cutting the paper), etc.
So what's a good alternative to spanking? That's my point that I'm trying to get to.
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