FINAL FANTASY XIII(13) PS3 and X360 Confirmed.

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by Shamo0

Why are you telling me what they ranked? Lol, Seriously where's the connection? I said "You're right this is one developer with a huge lineup of games coming" Huge as in RPGs that take a long time and a lot of money to develop. I never said they were Great, amazing, perfect games.

You wrote your post with about as much teenage angst as the average emo kid exudes in a week complaining about how the game (according to you) is going to be delayed because of the 360 port (which it isn't). I take that to mean you're basically the kind of fan who has a calendar on the wall counting down the days until it comes out without doing much else in the meantime.

Also, using chat acronyms in a debate? Probably not the best way to get people to side with you.

I could care less about what some moderator on some forum thinks about my debating skills. Trust me that really doesn't grind my gears. The fact your(uh oh instance 3 LOL) going after minor grammatical errors is down right laughable. Is this english class? Mehbee i shud type lik dis yes? I can't believe you pointed out a grammatical error when the the entire post was completely legible. xD You might as well tell yourself and I, to indent on paragraphs. But don't that'd be going off topic. A moderator should know that.

You could care less, so why don't you? You must care a lot if you think you can care less.

your = you're

down right = downright

english = English

don't that'd = that would

In a debate, you can use anything your opponent does against him. I question your intelligence based on these numerous errors you're making. Perhaps you're just rushing your defense in your shortsighted rage at what someone else on the Internet wrote about your opinions?

These aren't minor errors. They completely change the message of your post. When you say "could care less" instead of "couldn't care less", you insinuate that you already have some level of interest in something and you have the ability to care less. Saying you cannot care less insinuates that your level of interest is zero, which means it's impossible to care less.

I love how people always assume I'm breaking the rules that I wrote when I "offtopic" about grammar and spelling. I also wrote the grammar and spelling rule. I, more than almost anyone else on this website, know the importance of proper spelling and grammar. If you're trying to sound intelligent, use proper spelling and grammar. And for Pete's sake, don't use chat acronyms in a debate.

Oh, by the way, you have some comma splices in there too. Thought you ought to know.

I know they aren't working on the port until the PS3 version is done! That's the whole point haha. PS3 FF13 releases in Japan when it's complete. The game is localized for both regions and then work begins on the port of the X360 versions. FF13 was built from the ground up for the PS3 using the RSX, the machines have completely different architecture. The White Engine that Square Enix is using in FF13 was built specifically for use on the PS3. The port isn't going to be a quick process. So that means the US and Euro PS3 version of FF13 will be sitting there complete but NOT shipped and sold in retail until the X360 version is ready to do the same. All of this because Microsoft paid square enix to hold the PS3 version and make both platforms have the same street date. This situation is similar to how GTA4 was treated. See how the US and European PS3 users are still waiting? That's the wait I'm talking about.

Uh, no. The localization team is not the development team. The development team works on the port while the localization team works on the translation. Translations typically take half a year for RPGs. A port shouldn't take more than a couple of months.

Also, the PS3 is harder to code for. Porting from PS3 to 360 is ridiculously easy. Porting from 360 to PS3 is harder.

LOL. Just because you don't know what "What They Play" is doesn't make it any less reliable. You probably don't even know what NeoGaf is which is really something to LOL about but that's besides the point. I wasn't referring to "What They Play" the site specifically, I was referring to who posted the Article, John Davison. You know who was on that "Bonus Round" that you linked to? Dan Hsu, Former Editor In Chief at EGM. You know who Dan Hsu worked under when he was at EGM? Oh yeah it was John Davison. Ever heard of Electronic Gaming Monthly or Playstation Magazine? Yeah he ran those publications and then he moved on to be the co-founder of What They Play. I think I know Industry Experts. Anyone can find information thru google on popular sites. It's all about knowing which people's articles to read. The only out of the loop nobody here is...

Way to assume I don't know what NeoGAF is. See, I read the news. I've seen NeoGAF cited numerous times as a reliable source. I have never once seen What They Play.

And you would think such a prestigious fellow would choose a better outlet for his breaking news article. Oh wait, that's because he's not a prestigious fellow. He did not run EGM. He was a writer for some of its articles. He did not run PSM. He was a writer for some of its articles. He was the editorial director for a while. Big deal. That means nothing. There are many ranks above that.

Funny how I googled his name and even Wikipedia'd it and he only shows up as a side-mention when compared to Hsu. Hell he doesn't even have his own page. Hsu does. You would think the guy above Hsu would have his own page if he were so important?

He's just some guy who co-founded a website about "The Parents Guide to Video Games" (Funny, like you, he neglects proper punctuation as well. It really says a lot more about someone's reputation than you think). It's not even a news site! He posted a rumor about something that is completely unsubstantiated and no other site (other than the massive failure that is GameSpot) reported it.

Nowhere did I say "insane tech, or hugely innovative" I said a MASSIVE upgrade isn't required because of the specs resemble a Wii-like architecture. You know not being to complex from it's predecessor. It's like you didn't even read that.

If you aren't even going to update the tech, it's not a new console. It's a revised console. It would be the PSThree.

People often say the Wii is just a Gamecube with motion controls. Those people are idiots. The Wii is at least 1.5x as powerful as the Gamecube. Just because they didn't bother with HD 1080p 1000-cell processors doesn't mean it's a Gamecube with motion controls.

(Also, to->too)

[MarukuAntoni]

Originally Posted by zidart

i'm not mad in any way for square-enix's decision because FFXIIIversus is still ps3 exclusive, and i'm getting the ps3 version of FFXIII anyway =P.

Haha same and for any other great games that are released in the future.

[Shamo0]

Originally Posted by Squeek

You wrote your post with about as much teenage angst as the average emo kid exudes in a week complaining about how the game (according to you) is going to be delayed because of the 360 port (which it isn't). I take that to mean you're basically the kind of fan who has a calendar on the wall counting down the days until it comes out without doing much else in the meantime.

Nah, I don't have a calendar on the wall counting the days until it comes out because a release date hasn't been released. Me one without much to do, coming from someone who moderates a forum xD Gee I sure wish I could moderate 24/7! lol

Originally Posted by Squeek

Also, using chat acronyms in a debate? Probably not the best way to get people to side with you.

You could care less, so why don't you? You must care a lot if you think you can care less.

your = you're

down right = downright

english = English

don't that'd = that would

In a debate, you can use anything your opponent does against him. I question your intelligence based on these numerous errors you're making. Perhaps you're just rushing your defense in your shortsighted rage at what someone else on the Internet wrote about your opinions?

These aren't minor errors. They completely change the message of your post. When you say "could care less" instead of "couldn't care less", you insinuate that you already have some level of interest in something and you have the ability to care less. Saying you cannot care less insinuates that your level of interest is zero, which means it's impossible to care less.

I love how people always assume I'm breaking the rules that I wrote when I "offtopic" about grammar and spelling. I also wrote the grammar and spelling rule. I, more than almost anyone else on this website, know the importance of proper spelling and grammar. If you're trying to sound intelligent, use proper spelling and grammar. And for Pete's sake, don't use chat acronyms in a debate.

Oh, by the way, you have some comma splices in there too. Thought you ought to know.

LOL, BTW IDC. It's my style of typing. It's still legible and it gets the point across that is why I have and will continue to do it. roflcopter

Originally Posted by Squeek

Uh, no. The localization team is not the development team. The development team works on the port while the localization team works on the translation. Translations typically take half a year for RPGs. A port shouldn't take more than a couple of months.

Also, the PS3 is harder to code for. Porting from PS3 to 360 is ridiculously easy. Porting from 360 to PS3 is harder.

Well, obviously the localization team isn't the development team it didn't really have to be said. But I highly doubt it'd take half a year to localize FF13 for both territories. I'm thinking more like 8 months. Either way, the PS3 version is still held until the X360 version is ready for release. The wait is still there.

Originally Posted by Squeek

Way to assume I don't know what NeoGAF is. See, I read the news. I've seen NeoGAF cited numerous times as a reliable source. I have never once seen What They Play.

And you would think such a prestigious fellow would choose a better outlet for his breaking news article. Oh wait, that's because he's not a prestigious fellow. He did not run EGM. He was a writer for some of its articles. He did not run PSM. He was a writer for some of its articles. He was the editorial director for a while. Big deal. That means nothing. There are many ranks above that.

Funny how I googled his name and even Wikipedia'd it and he only shows up as a side-mention when compared to Hsu. Hell he doesn't even have his own page. Hsu does. You would think the guy above Hsu would have his own page if he were so important?

He's just some guy who co-founded a website about "The Parents Guide to Video Games" (Funny, like you, he neglects proper punctuation as well. It really says a lot more about someone's reputation than you think). It's not even a news site! He posted a rumor about something that is completely unsubstantiated and no other site (other than the massive failure that is GameSpot) reported it.

I'm surprised you actually knew what NeoGaf was. But I know for a fact you didn't have the slightest clue who Dan Hsu or John Davison prior to googling were. You wouldn't know about What They Play unless you actually knew who ran or were it's target audience, like you said it isn't a news site. It doesn't have to be one for reliable information to come out of it, if the author is reliable it can be trusted to a degree.

You refer to John Davison as some nobody, say that on Gaf and you'll have your fingers ripped off your hands simply because your assumption based off a Wikipedia entry and everyone knows you're flat out wrong. Almost everyone who talks games knows this guy. He appears weekly on the 1Up Podcast, and is constantly interviewed at events for his opinion or knowledge on certain subjects. He was ABOVE Dan Hsu. Someone you just referred to as an "Industry Expert" if Davison is above Hsu what does that make him?

Originally Posted by Squeek

If you aren't even going to update the tech, it's not a new console. It's a revised console. It would be the PSThree.

People often say the Wii is just a Gamecube with motion controls. Those people are idiots. The Wii is at least 1.5x as powerful as the Gamecube. Just because they didn't bother with HD 1080p 1000-cell processors doesn't mean it's a Gamecube with motion controls.

There's still going to an upgrade to the tech. Let's just say this so it's easier for you to understand, since you don't seem to be understanding it any other way. "The PS4 will be atleast 1.5x as powerful as the PS3." Understand now what Wii-like path meant now?

[Squeek]

I'm not going to quote spree.

1) I wish I could moderate 24/7 too. Maybe I would've been able to stop the advertisement bots that were flooding our forums last week.

2) Your sources (sometimes) are reliable but you're misinterpreting their data.

3) For one, I'm not going to take you seriously if you keep typing like that. I know many other people here who think the same way I do on this matter.

4) Adding more months onto the localization only adds credence to my argument. It isn't going to take as long to make the port as it will to translate the game. Since they're doing PAL and NTSC at the same time, it'll be even longer since PAL translations are typically multi-lingual.

5) Dan Hsu was on the Bonus Round before. I knew who he was before this madness began. The other guy is some nobody who would never have any kind of recognition at all if not for his website and his rumor mills. Just like we would never know who Jeff Gerstmann was if not for the Kane and Lynch debacle and the subsequent founding of GiantBomb.

6) Sorry if I don't care about 1UP's podcasts. I don't agree with 1UP's opinions and I'd rather stick to GameTrailers. You know, the one that actually has its own show on SpikeTV? He's still just one man who happens to be on some website's podcasts. Why should we listen to what he says about something completely unconfirmed? Usually these things are announced in press conferences to all of the video game media (IGN, 1UP, Kotaku, Joystiq, GameSpot, GameTrailers, etc). I don't know why they'd choose this one guy instead of telling everyone else. You know, unless the guy is pulling this out of his ass.

7) The PS"4" won't be 1.5x as powerful as the PS3 because that would be a ridiculous waste of money. It wouldn't be used at all and would cost thousands of dollars to manufacture per console. Initial build costs of the PS3 were $800-$900. It hasn't come down much. You honestly think after losing billions of dollars due to PS3 sales that they'd come out with something else to waste even more money on? Some analysts even say the PS3's losses completely override the PS2's profits.

And hell, Sony even said the PS3 would be a 10-year console. I know Sony lies all the time, but financially speaking it's just idiotic to release a new console onto the market in these circumstances.

[tsugomaru]

Upgrading tech doesn't constitute an entirely new console. The PS3 and 360 are considered next generation consoles in the way the hardware works and the way you code for it. The Wii is considered a next generation console because of the way you're suppose to play your games. You wouldn't call a DS a Gameboy Advance with a touch screen. The game play for some of the best games on the DS is completely different from that on the GBA.

~Tsugomaru

[homersimp09]

Oh oh oh I heard that FF 13 Versus Going To 360 OMG (= _ =)_|_ .....this is going WAY TOO FAR!!

[Squeek]

You heard wrong. It's a PS3 exclusive.

But still, why do you care? If you have a PS3, this doesn't affect you at all.

[TrueBOSS]

First, I'd like to say. Man I miss speaking on these forums with you Squeek.
Of all the forums I've been on, none have had anyone who is as fun as they are serious like you.

Second, I don't really care which console this goes out for. I still like Final Fantasy as much as I did when I first started getting into it. For the battle system, in my belief, it would be pretty cool if it was like X-2's as that one was one of the better battle systems square came up with. However, I believe it'll probably just be an improved version of XII's battle system although I will admit I speak with no experience of XI's battle system.
I also admit I didn't really like XII's battle system until I started playing it again last week. I've found that playing it with battle speed maxed out and putting it on active makes it a real challenge. I do miss the older styles of battling though like on IX or VIII (except for its reliance on G.F.'s. I hated that!)

I think the important things to be worried about here are NOT what console it's for but whether or not it's story is rock hard. I really would like to see a story that sucks me so deep into the game that I have to play it weeks on end again like when I first got IX and X. Lately their stories have been kind of short in my opinion. I finished X-2 and XII within 1.5 weeks! And they need to bring in more side-games like on VII and IX. The lack of other stuff to do on XII really bothered me. This is the stuff I'd kind of like to see but I don't really care what they do. I'm sure it's going to be awsome from what I've heard on how much effort they've put into the game.

One thing I'd like to bring up though. I spend some time at a site completely dedicated to Final Fantasy VII called ff7citadel. I remember at the beginning of 08 that they were digging up info on a re-release for Final Fantasy VII and they found a press conference had been held with a Square executive. Anyways, in the report I remember him saying something about Square Enix being too dependant on Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest so they want to try and divert away from those for awhile. I also remember him saying something along the lines of XIII determining the fate of the Final Fantasy series whether it die here or live on. It was just a rumor but I'm currious to see if any of you have heard any other rumors along this line.

Oh and sorry about the big post. Been awhile since I posted on these forums period and I came in pretty late in the topic.