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Old 07-26-2008, 05:07 PM   #1
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These things have been happening all too frequently. And it happens in two parts: Take away as many lives as possible then kill yourself. It's so strange and sudden.

What could drive one to such a thought and choice? Where does such a thing begin? Where has the illness formed? Is this act the product of someone just overly bored with society? Is this the result of bullying? Is this just the result of someone who may have had an IQ of 200 yet couldn't control themselves to become productive and instead they let their genius lead them to madness?

There are so many unknown factors because of how sudden these things are.

I heard someone was going to pull off such a deed at my campus as well. I will not reveal any info. But this is such a dangerous and somewhat widespread thing. Any thoughts on this? (Am I crossing some line I may have overlooked with this thread?)
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Old 07-26-2008, 10:09 PM   #2
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My thoughts are to watch for any signs that these campus shootings are going to happen. If there is anything, warn some authority figure about it; even if they don't listen, you've got to pound it into their heads. That's how it happened with Columbine. They posted blogs and everything. Parents tried to go to the sheriff about it, but he assured them all was fine.

The truth of it is, campus shootings are usually a result of bullying, as the student has specific targets, but kills other people that get in the way trying to get to their target. Or maybe they were hated by everyone, and just shot randomly at people. Mainly, if they were bullied to the point where they felt as if they had no choice, then this might happen. Cho Seung-Hui at Virginia Tech killed because they "backed him into a corner". All these signs are given around to tell what will happen, but no one wants to stop it, making it seem like they are egging them on telling them: "Go ahead, I'd like to see you try." As you can see, that didn't end out so well for them.

And about taking away as many lives as possible, that is because of the pain they feel. They are trying to release it on all those people that ruined his life before they take their own. They want to take their own life to put themselves out of their misery before they will get more in prison. Human nature is normally to take out what you believe is right for your life. These people believe that they have to get revenge on all of those that have hurt them. I believe that it has gone like: "You ripped out my soul, now I will let you walk in yours!"

My guess is them taking out their emotions on the people that brought them up. And then as soon as it is done, they kill themselves, and then have a great life down in the dark realm.
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Old 07-26-2008, 10:12 PM   #3
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There's always a reason behind an action. No matter how unreasonable it may be to the general public, it's all completely worked out in the criminal's head. Hence they can commit the action. It's really dependent on the individual.

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A perfect death would mean that you don't live on in reality under any definition of the word "existing". Just because one dies doesn't mean that one is erased from reality. People have memories. People leave physical memorial items such as graves. People withhold innate emotions that last a lifetime.

So, in order to achieve a perfect death, one must wipe. Completely wipe the world of everything that identifies the past, present, and future of that one's life. This involves mass murder. Killing everyone who knew you, everyone who knows you, everyone who will know you.

One may say that the above three apply to everyone, because everyone has to know everyone else under indirect circumstances. However, that is not necessarily true. The people who know the people who know the one in question may not know the one in question. Hence, the people who know the people who know the one do not have to be affected. Only the people who have direct and indirect contact with the one have to be killed.

In essence, a perfect death means the death of the one in question and everyone else that had involved themselves with him in one way or another. A very hard feat to pull off, yes, but not entirely impossible.

Why would people want to do this? There are quite some several people who have traumas in their past, people who want to "redo" whatever happened to the past. It's impossible to change the past, but it most certainly is possible to erase it. The way I mentioned it above. People would only go this far to enact the perfect death only under extreme circumstances where their desire to change the past outweighs the amount of lives needed to be sacrificed for it. They also have to be intelligent enough to commit such an act, strong enough to withstand the impact of committing such an act, and most of all, ready to commit suicide.

There are many people who have tried. No one has brought up an incident large enough to have it recorded. And the people who have successfully committed a perfect death wouldn't have it recorded for us to remember. So, I'm quite certain that there have been a few successful ones out there in the world. If we were to name any successful ones, they wouldn't be successful anymore.

To erase your existence means more than to just end your life. You must erase "you" out of everything in existence.
I've never been to college (don't want to go either), so I wouldn't really know.

I don't find events such as this amusing. It's basically a dead wolf howling its final cry. Humans who are too weak to confront bullying etc. run away from their problems. Campus shooting is an erratic form of running away.
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There's always a reason behind an action. No matter how unreasonable it may be to the general public, it's all completely worked out in the criminal's head. Hence they can commit the action. It's really dependent on the individual.

A possible reason. (I quoted this 3 times today... <_<)

I've never been to college (don't want to go either), so I wouldn't really know.

I don't find events such as this amusing. It's basically a dead wolf howling its final cry. Humans who are too weak to confront bullying etc. run away from their problems. Campus shooting is an erratic form of running away.
You might remember, that humans are a weak race. Most of us either run away from our problems, or pretend to ignore it as if it never happened. The truth is that if you run away or ignore it, then the reality of what happened is still there, meaning that you just let it happen. The problem has to be confronted as to take a stand for your own life.
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The problem has to be confronted as to take a stand for your own life.
I let countless numbers of problems slide. Nothing's come back to haunt me as of yet.

Towards some of my more serious problems, I'd say "I'd rather die then confront it." The people mentioned in the first post brought it to "I'd rather die then confront it. I'll take the problem starters with me."

They do such acts because they don't care about life.

Hence as my quote said: People would only go this far to enact the perfect death only under extreme circumstances where their desire to change the past outweighs the amount of lives needed to be sacrificed for it. They also have to be intelligent enough to commit such an act, strong enough to withstand the impact of committing such an act, and most of all, ready to commit suicide.

Life is meaningless in their sense of thinking. I can probably tell, because I follow the same thought process.

What are humans weak in comparison to? I don't seem to be able to find an existence that is stronger. Humans can't do many things, but the term weak is a comparative adjective. There has to be a stronger entity for humans to be called weak. I believe everything from nonliving to living things are all equal in that respect. They follow the same rules of situation and consequence, parameters and possibilities, and cause and effect.
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Never rule out pathological insanity..
Another view, out of many, is that the types of people who commit these murders are often found to have been avid fantasy fans. A lot of them get caught up in a world they want to bring alive but can't. That brings them to hate the world around them, and the people around them who like the world they live in. Also, being engulfed in video games or literature may lead these people to give life a much lighter weight than most of society does. They may think "well this is all part of history, history needs an interesting story, I could create that.." or something along the line. Really,it all depends on the person's psyche.
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Never rule out pathological insanity..
Another view, out of many, is that the types of people who commit these murders are often found to have been avid fantasy fans. A lot of them get caught up in a world they want to bring alive but can't. That brings them to hate the world around them, and the people around them who like the world they live in.
This would be me. Pinpointed. But then, I gave up on the fantasy that brought me these thoughts (anime). Hence, now I'm left with nothing. I hate this world, and the anime world. Cheers.

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Also, being engulfed in video games or literature may lead these people to give life a much lighter weight than most of society does.
This not so much. There aren't many people who would consider the life of Mario in Super Mario World equal to the life of a human irl, same with some of those comedies and homemade cartoons that bring about comedic injuries and mass deaths. Maybe this is just my perception, but I think most serious novels and videogames (that I read/play) represent the weight of death on a normal human being very accurately. In short, I don't think there are people in this world who can't differentiate between comedic life and real life.

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They may think "well this is all part of history, history needs an interesting story, I could create that.." or something along the line.
There was one guy here who thought this way on FFR. He wrote all this stuff about changing the world in a way Hitler brought to amass clone armies or w/e, but kept getting rejected by devonin, some other people, and me. To "create an interesting historical story," one needs to have influence over the masses. Fortunately, society is built in a way that prevents influence without moral regulation or physical action (such as a death note, excuse my anime ref.).

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Haha..music is the same way for me. Harder to explain though..
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100% understandable. No worries.

I can't explain either. Only those who experience it can understand. Much like how "normal" people can't understand "insane" people.

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What are humans weak in comparison to? I don't seem to be able to find an existence that is stronger. Humans can't do many things, but the term weak is a comparative adjective. There has to be a stronger entity for humans to be called weak. I believe everything from nonliving to living things are all equal in that respect. They follow the same rules of situation and consequence, parameters and possibilities, and cause and effect.
As humans diverge from their point of existence, which can arguably be to keep our species alive, we think of other reasons to live or subsequently not live. There are animals out there who would commit suicide to keep their young alive, a noble cause. Yet, do they have the mental toughness to kill themselves due to grief? I don't think it's proven either way, but my personal opinion is that their instincts have higher authority over their actions. To summarize this, humans have a vast amount of free will. Some of us find joy in doing what we want, some people don't get married. It may not be that we are weak, but that the species itself isn't insuring on our longevity. Giving off the effect of "weakness" compared to other groups.

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yea why do people always refer to human as a weak race/ the problem race/ etc? and school shootings are always because of bullying to the point of psychological stability. there was a kid at my high school who I've known since I was in 5th grade and he was in 2nd grade. He has a cochlear implant thing and talks kind of funny, not sure if it's a result of the hearing aid. but anyway, he's been made fun of all his life, and when he got to his sophomore year in college, he made a post on myspace on how he was gonna put a bomb in the school but kill himself first. all his friends got worried about it and tried to talk him out of it so he wouldn't get busted, but some parent found out about it and the kid went to jail and still is. another kid at my high school who was also 3 grades below me always got made fun of because he was slightly mentally retarded but not enough to be in special ed. classes. when he was a junior someone made fun of him and he pulled a knife on him. got kicked out of school. life isn't fair, and it isn't fair that these kids get harrassed to the point where they contemplate using violence on other kids their own age. but that's basically the cause. any other "theory" will get too specific and exclude some killers. like if you talk about "playing violent video game" there'll always be exceptions. harrassing to the point of instability is the only common cause of shootings
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These things have been happening all too frequently. And it happens in two parts: Take away as many lives as possible then kill yourself. It's so strange and sudden.

What could drive one to such a thought and choice? Where does such a thing begin? Where has the illness formed? Is this act the product of someone just overly bored with society? Is this the result of bullying? Is this just the result of someone who may have had an IQ of 200 yet couldn't control themselves to become productive and instead they let their genius lead them to madness?

There are so many unknown factors because of how sudden these things are.

I heard someone was going to pull off such a deed at my campus as well. I will not reveal any info. But this is such a dangerous and somewhat widespread thing. Any thoughts on this? (Am I crossing some line I may have overlooked with this thread?)

I've thought about doing it a couple of times. When people hate their lives, they tend to blame it on others. It's just easier that way, and sometimes it is other peoples' faults. They just want to die, but they want those people to have to suffer the same fate as themselves, so they indiscriminately kill everyone....

unless they're just crazy.
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Yes, it is based psychologically.

If a person is repeatedly bullied over a large span of their life they are bound to lash out. It's unavoidable to not have pent up frustration.

Now, there's a different standard of having common sense and having intelligence. If a person has common sense they can tell themselves "I don't want to kill people. Even if I'm mad." The people who have intelligence can say "I don't want to kill people. But I might."

In all honesty, there've been plenty of times where I've pondered it. There just needs to be that little guy on your shoulder telling you not to do it. It's not a matter of thinking critically when it comes to something like that. Perhaps morality.

And your post here does not violate any rule that I can think of.
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I believe that these are the type of people who feel excluded for what ever reason (I share a certain belief that no one around me does yet, which annoys me greatly but I don't go killing people because of that). I guess you could say that they feel more included with those who they have killed by having everyone die. Some people have split personalities (you might have seen the silly comments on my profile, but I probably will never do anything drastically violent) at times and rarely express their true emotions that when their dark side emerges, it becomes devastating. Of course, I'm stating these things because if I didn't have a purpose in life, I might do something crazy like a school/campus shooting.
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LAshing out is exactly what it is. these people can't take the current situation in their life, and they want to make everyone else in their life suffer immensely. After, they either

A) Can't take the consequences of what they did or

B) Hate themselves and want to die.
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LAshing out is exactly what it is. these people can't take the current situation in their life, and they want to make everyone else in their life suffer immensely. After, they either

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Which they most likely will, but they won't do it with ease. And, for doing this they will be further insulted, causing a vicious circle.
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Edgar Allen Poe once wrote about something called the Imp of the Perverse. The idea behind it is that sometimes, we can do things that are very dark and evil with curiosity as a motivation. In the back of our minds, we are always asking ourselves, what will happen if I do this or that until the point where we actually do commit the act for the sake of committing the act.

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What are humans weak in comparison to? I don't seem to be able to find an existence that is stronger. Humans can't do many things, but the term weak is a comparative adjective. There has to be a stronger entity for humans to be called weak. I believe everything from nonliving to living things are all equal in that respect. They follow the same rules of situation and consequence, parameters and possibilities, and cause and effect.

Humans are weak compared to the visionaries that they view themselves to be. Humans ascribe themselves to what they wish to be, and not what they really are. By this simple bravado, humans continue to confide baselessly in themselves , in the dream that they put themselves in. Take the fish out of the water and it will die within the hour.
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These things have been happening all too frequently. And it happens in two parts: Take away as many lives as possible then kill yourself. It's so strange and sudden.

What could drive one to such a thought and choice?
Hahaha, have you been to public school lately? I can tell you, I'm not one to have many violent thoughts against others, but school made me angry many more times than I have been at home/with friends/out etc. It's the atmosphere. At least that's part of it. I mean, look at all those tough guys in school. I don't know about your school, but I know some kids were in gangs or acted like it. Kids will bring a gun to school if they are in a fight with someone. It's happened at my old school before. I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem bringing one if everyone pissed him off and he started going crazy.

The things they would have to blame would be teachers, students, or home life. I'm sure they just have a weak mind and don't know what else to do when they are frustrated with people.

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the people who do the shooting are waedk minded individuals. so what people bully you thats life it happens to everyone get over it.
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