Smoking

[Tasselfoot]

from his past posts... i think 19-21

[themanwithsauce]

Wow, it's taken us ten pages but we finally agreed to agree that smoking anything is in general bad for you.

But seriously, why do these people smoke, I still don't get it. Sure, it makes you feel good now but won't you feel like shit in a few weeks when you start coughing up your lungs? And even if you don't smoke enough to cause a very serious health problem, couldn't you think of better ways to spend those extra dollars than to inhale smoke? If you want to relax then read a book in aq quiet place or buy your favorite food instead, it's better for you.

[esupin]

Originally Posted by themanwithsauce

Wow, it's taken us ten pages but we finally agreed to agree that smoking anything is in general bad for you.

Everyone agrees that smoking is bad for you. It's a proven fact. However, that has not stopped people. With all the knowledge humans have acquired we seemed to have developed an uncanny ability to not care.

[Porgy]

Im 21. And esupin, well stated. Despite what many analysts may say, while in terms of medical and technological progress we have bettered our quality of life we have also sacrificed many things mentally and emotionally. Action equals reaction.

[sleeplessdragn]

perhaps it is not that we as a society do not care, as rather we have simply aftered the norm for living in "modern times". i have many friends who swear they picked up smoking frankly because they thought it was being cool. others cant give a reason. in my opinion it is society which has self bred this habit and continues it. jus look at some hip hop videos...

[bladerunner627]

Originally Posted by DJ_Rider

Ciggaretts are a prime sorce of income for the goverment. Keep that in mind. And if someone chooses to smoke... why is it any of your concern. Leave them alone.... Obesitiy is a bigger epidemic then smoking, Your saying to take away there privlage to get lipo, gastric bypass and all the other illnesses involved in being overweight. Doesn't seem to me that you have overcome your OCD to me, do you really feel the need to make everyone perfect? I belive this deserves a big

I disagree, yes it is income for the goverment big woop they make enough money as it is. Anyways, I think smokeing should be illegal. Lemme put it this way, smoking hurts other people from 2nd hand. If someone is smoking around you, I think you should have the right to grab his/her cigarrette and put it out, or at least drop kick the person for hurting YOUR lungs.

[bladerunner627]

Originally Posted by Porgy

to hell if im going to read 10 pages. I'll just leave my 10 cents and bounce. I smoke. I know exactly what it is doing to my lungs and honestly dont care. Nor do I care what other people think about it. Smoking is a bad habit, but i'll tell you of an even nastier habit. Taking your viewpoints and opinions on life and attempting to force it upon others. I will not nor do i feel the need to justify my habits or what i do to my body to other people. And thats that. If you dont like smoking dont. As for second hand smoke, well i do my best not to smoke around other people who are bothered by it. I think thats rude also. As an inhabitant of LA though our smog problem is much more of a lung cancer problem than anybody's second hand smoke anyways.

Your not only hurting us, your hurting others....2nd hand. If you smoke by me I would drop kick you.

[bladerunner627]

Tar When cigarette smoke is breathed in it condenses and deposits tar in the lungs. It is the tar that actually transports many of the other chemicals contained in cigarette smoke directly into the body. Tar is a dark, viscous substance that paralyses the cilia (small hairs which protect and clean the lungs) and can also stain teeth and fingernails.

Explains alot.... so thats why alot of smokers have yellow nails...

[Porgy]

Originally Posted by bladerunner627

Your not only hurting us, your hurting others....2nd hand. If you smoke by me I would drop kick you.

are you completely ignorant or did you choose to ignore the part where i said I do my best not to smoke around other people who are bothered by it? And as for your comment about drop kicking me, please refer to my post in the topic about why people like forums.

[The_Q]

Ok, ok, I'm going to explain it again. If someone smokes, they are putting so much money into the market over all their years of smoking, the government tax crap is moot. Each dollar spent smoking, either willingly or out of addiction, goes back to the spender in different ways. Let's say that Jim goes on a budget so he doesn't buy 1 pack of cigs every month. That pack of cigs would have taken a few bucks, not as many, away from Apu, the owner of the Kwik-E-Mart that sells Jim's cigs. Apu has fewer dollars to spend so he doesn't buy that new grill he's been wanting. Jill, the grill saleswoman, doesn't get the money from that and etc. etc. If you DO buy the pack of cigs it works the same way, only ADDING money.

Also, if the smoker dies happy, so be it. They're happy. Who am I to take away someone's happiness, especially when they are making prices drop and what not. Thanks, happy smokers, for making me happier.

Why don't I smoke, then? Because it's a nasty habit. I'd much rather have someone else do it for me.

Q

[DracIV]

Your market system is flawed. It has been proven that, on a massive scale (i.e. country or worldwide), drug usage weakens and eventually cripples economic progress. After the Opium Wars in China we should all know that. The only difference between smoking and other drugs is that smoking is old enough to slip past the ban laws and doesn't (totally) incapacitate the user.

[Unit000]

See, it would be so easy to kill off tobacco companies, you know...if they weren't a prime source of income for our government and they didn't have large shares and own pieces of just about everything. You have to think on the larger scale, these companies are absolutely MASSIVE and they spread their slimy tentacles out and grabbed a hold of agriculture, technology, etc. companies so that we couldn't just simply do away with tobacco companies without causing another great depression. If life was so simple, it'd be boring as hell.

[The_Q]

Actually, I've recently realized that it is not only feasable economically, but probably morally as well to legalize drug use. Yes, marijuana and cocaine, all that nasty crap you hear about in the news. Besides, unless I see proof of this stuff hurting the economy I won't believe it.

Now, that's for a whole different thread, so let's not get onto it again. It is a huge IF to say "they'd be easy to dethrown IF they didn't yada yada..." You could say it's easy to resurrect dinosaurs IF you get good enough DNA samples...but that's a huge if. Illegalization would also be insane. Did the Prohibition work? No. Why not? Loads of people like to drink. Loads of people like to smoke too. In my opinion, people would find "smoke easy's" quite easy to find and cigs would be even less unsanitary than before, as they'd be made IN PEOPLE'S BASEMENTS.

Q

[Porgy]

I fully support the legalization fo marijuana. Although I don't smoke it anymore on an economic standpoint its extremely beneficial as a cash crop to any country that grows it. Look to Canada as a test subject and see the results:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/a...pot/index.html

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1110/146_print.html

[Porgy]

While we are on the topic of smoking, what are your opinions on people who smoke because it's part of their culture? For instance, many muslims smoke shisha (flavored tobacco) out of large water pipes called hookahs. Their people have been smoking these since the days of anciant egypt. It's a part of their lifestyle. I happen to own a egyptian water hookah and smoke from it on a daily basis. Its a "social smoke." Remarks?

[Tasselfoot]

i love my hookah. bought it in Israel. only, they call the tobacco Narghila. its apart of most middle easern cultures.... it has none of the toxins that cigs have, no nicotine so it isn't addictive. yes, if you smoked it a ton, it would have similar effects to chewing tobacco or a pipe... but its so soothing to sit out on a balcony or porch and smoke some Apple-Mint Narghila. Narghila is the only thing i have ever smoked, and i don't plan on trying anything else.

[Porgy]

my fav combos are straberry daquiri with banana and also cola flavor with coca cola in the bowl (although the smoke is a bit harsher, the flavor is extremely intense which i enjoy). On the suggestion fo a friend of mine i tried it tonight with milk in the bowl as it is supposed to thicken the smoke but I quckly found out the heat froths the milk which pushes it up into the hose. I'm going to have to replace my hose now....

[Tasselfoot]

i sincerly hope the milk didn't spoil. and, that isn't too big of a cost to replace the hose. i'll have to pick up some cola tobacco to try out with coke.

[Porgy]

i think due to the fact it was frothing from the heat it was a little too warm to spoil *crosses fingers*. Yeah, i think a decent one goes from something like $12-$20. I wanted to get one of those plush velvety hoses anyways like all the stoners have on theirs. So purdy....

[Unit000]

I'm up for the legalization of marijuana with an age limit of at least 30...and it should be illegal to smoke it publicly. Since marijuana itself can't harm you, it's what you do while high which hurts people on marijuana. I dunno if it would work or not. I guess it's one of those things you just have to "See" about.