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Old 05-21-2008, 11:06 PM   #21
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Clones of anything have values equal to the sources of their origin. =)
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Picture in first post looks more like a Power Ranger thing. I think that's what it is. lol When all their vehicles would combine or w/e?
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Therefore "Made" Therefore being a 'Specimen" I wouldn't care if you made a clone of me and blowing me up, Its not "Me" Its a 'Clone" Therefore it is merely like a Robot.
This statement right here shows how little value you have of another's life. You expect me to buy into your bull**** about sending a copy of yourself to die and say screw it it's not my life so who really cares? Do you even know how a clone is made they don't just magically appear inside a test tube ya know. People actually have to be involved give birth to these clones and watch them grow up as human war machines. This isn't advanced or civilized just downright crude and an abomination to mankind.
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Yes let me explain how.

Over the past few years people have made "Clones" just not clones of people because obviously it is Illigal. Now as to why? Well you can guess why, theres someone who looks exactly like you out in the world who could do something and you could get in trouble for. No there was no point to that yet wanted to point that out.

My other point was that over the past few years they have done studies on them and have found that they would use Cloning as a way to help stop diseases and Other such Ideal Sicknesses. Now tell me, is that no different then using a clone for killing people or just using something for a test? Because we'd be using them for a test on the Mobile Suits if we ever made them.
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Yes let me explain how.

Over the past few years people have made "Clones" just not clones of people because obviously it is Illigal. Now as to why? Well you can guess why, theres someone who looks exactly like you out in the world who could do something and you could get in trouble for. No there was no point to that yet wanted to point that out.

My other point was that over the past few years they have done studies on them and have found that they would use Cloning as a way to help stop diseases and Other such Ideal Sicknesses. Now tell me, is that no different then using a clone for killing people or just using something for a test? Because we'd be using them for a test on the Mobile Suits if we ever made them.
wtf are you talking about? I don't even think you understand the nature of my previous post. There is no FU**ING difference between a clone and a human none WHATSOEVER! They have the exact same status they are both people so it does not give you the damn right to freely test on a free-willed human being. I don't know about you but I believe every person deserves their natural rights and shouldn't be messed with just because you've been spawned by genetic manipulation.
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A clone will have the memories and everything of the original. It's an exact copy. It would have any rights the original would have.
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You seem to be misunderstanding what cloning does.

It essentially makes you a twin. Identical twins are DNA clones--they have the same DNA structure (bar any mutations). They both think, they both are independent, and they both develop differently based on their experiences.

When a clone is born, it immediately diverges from its "source human," if you will. Its environment is already radically different, and thus it will develop in a much different way. Clones are not exact copies of a person, only people with copies of a person's DNA. DNA does not decide everything; in fact, it decides comparatively little in a person's development. It determines a lot of physical traits, but personality, social development, and things like that are all exclusively determined by the person's environment.

Your clone could be nothing like you. It's an independent being equal to you. Assume you had a twin who grew up in a completely different house from you--that's your clone. The only similarity you share is your DNA, nothing else.
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Hah listen those aren't MY words! Yes I typed them and all but i got that from other sources on the internet! If they could Legally do it they'd use cloning for THAT purpose! To obviously use it as a TEST! Don't you see? Obviously if you used your mind, scientists just want to save other peoples not the clones. Oh ya because obviously a clone is nothing compared to a real human being there is a difference! Or else you might as well just test **** out on REAL humans! "Oh lets do that" oh wait its against the LAW! Oops! Now you see that there is a difference. So please don't think I am joking nor trying to act stupid. this is real life were talking about. Obviously I know or else Id be shutting up and not continuing this.

Also, I do know how clones work and how they are made. And I said Made because they literally are made. Through splitting of the DNA strands. Now please tell me Im wrong.
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LordTyriel, what you're doing is sending a certain type of human being different from yourself, which can be referred to as a race or nationality or w/e based on how you interpret the classification of their birth style, to a horrid environment. Very much analogous to how the Nazis forced the races that were "inferior" to them to concentration camps. You are sending the race of "clones" to "war/dangerous experiments", much like the Nazis sent "minor ethnic groups" to "concentration camps." That's wrong, to human standards.

A clone is a real human. =/

In relation to anime, animes such as Fullmetal Alchemist provide a moral as to how living mutants such as chimeras and homunculi are born unwillingly from experiments. They are lives, much like we humans are. The anime shows that it is wrong to just create a life with it's own conscience for the ultimate purpose of treating it like a slave.

Once again, clones are real humans, regardless of how they are made, or what you call "real" humans want to use them for. They have a right to their civil liberties and natural rights, much like we "real" humans do.

The term "CLONE" is not a term of inferiority, nor superiority.

We are one and the same. Humans.
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You are in a way correct. Although my idea was merely to use them as yes soldiers yet in this way we have tons of them so think of cloning someone over 100 times. Its 100 of them although different in many ways ( mostly Mentally) You could train them and use them as soldiers. It is not like the Nazi's because obviously people agree to it before they get cloned. For examples this link here: http://www.globalchange.com/clonech.htm
This doctor allows people to be cloned and tells people how and pretty much tells them why its ok and a lot of other juicy info that you wanted so much to know.

Now about the ideal military, this is merely an Ideal I am not saying I would actually do it. but it is merely an idea because think of it. Clones, tons of them, theres hundreds of the same person. Tell me thats not useless! Its useful in a way that could be used either in a working way or in a military way. Now you could get them to work for you, which would be a good idea. or just as a military dog. Although Id suspect most people aren't like that. Obviously I can see that by people telling me that I am somehow being sorta like a nazi. Although I assure you I am not trying to do that I am telling you my ideal military or world. Just like using the technology that we have for military use as well.
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Hah listen those aren't MY words! Yes I typed them and all but i got that from other sources on the internet! If they could Legally do it they'd use cloning for THAT purpose! To obviously use it as a TEST! Don't you see? Obviously if you used your mind, scientists just want to save other peoples not the clones. Oh ya because obviously a clone is nothing compared to a real human being there is a difference! Or else you might as well just test **** out on REAL humans! "Oh lets do that" oh wait its against the LAW! Oops! Now you see that there is a difference. So please don't think I am joking nor trying to act stupid. this is real life were talking about. Obviously I know or else Id be shutting up and not continuing this.

Also, I do know how clones work and how they are made. And I said Made because they literally are made. Through splitting of the DNA strands. Now please tell me Im wrong.
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Ok, I didn't explain it further but thats a basic understanding of how a clone is made or produced. My bad.
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You are in a way correct. Although my idea was merely to use them as yes soldiers yet in this way we have tons of them so think of cloning someone over 100 times. Its 100 of them although different in many ways ( mostly Mentally) You could train them and use them as soldiers. It is not like the Nazi's because obviously people agree to it before they get cloned. For examples this link here: http://www.globalchange.com/clonech.htm
This doctor allows people to be cloned and tells people how and pretty much tells them why its ok and a lot of other juicy info that you wanted so much to know.

Now about the ideal military, this is merely an Ideal I am not saying I would actually do it. but it is merely an idea because think of it. Clones, tons of them, theres hundreds of the same person. Tell me thats not useless! Its useful in a way that could be used either in a working way or in a military way. Now you could get them to work for you, which would be a good idea. or just as a military dog. Although Id suspect most people aren't like that. Obviously I can see that by people telling me that I am somehow being sorta like a nazi. Although I assure you I am not trying to do that I am telling you my ideal military or world. Just like using the technology that we have for military use as well.
We are not questioning the creation of clones. We are questioning the utilization of them as soldiers. Clones have the right to choose whether they want to join this ideal military or not. You have no right to subjugate them to such a decree. Just because you "create" a clone, does not mean it becomes your property. That is the same thing as slavery.

I would assume most humans would reject joining an army unless if conditioned to accept through environmental influence. Therefore, "clone army" can only exist only under the conditions that you subjugate them like slaves or property.
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Hah listen those aren't MY words! Yes I typed them and all but i got that from other sources on the internet!
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If they could Legally do it they'd use cloning for THAT purpose! To obviously use it as a TEST! Don't you see? Obviously if you used your mind, scientists just want to save other peoples not the clones.
Clones are people. If you consider your twin a person, then your clone is a person.

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Oh ya because obviously a clone is nothing compared to a real human being there is a difference! Or else you might as well just test **** out on REAL humans! "Oh lets do that" oh wait its against the LAW! Oops! Now you see that there is a difference.
You work under the assumption that scientists -will- experiment on clones. They will not, since they're as human as anyone else. There's a reason they use lab rats, not clones.

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So please don't think I am joking nor trying to act stupid. this is real life were talking about. Obviously I know or else Id be shutting up and not continuing this.
I think it would be best if you shut up and didn't continue this. Your own words, not mine.

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You're wrong. "Splitting of DNA strands" is how DNA replication--a normal process that occurs within humans, works. Cloning is done by taking a nucleus from one adult cell and implanting it into an egg, checking to see if it's developing normally, then placing the egg inside a surrogate mother. No "splitting of DNA strands" is involved.

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Actually that's a pretty basic misunderstanding of how a clone is made. This thread is weaving on and off topic like a drunk on St Patrick's day trying to pass a sobriety test.

Can we settle on something resembling a purpose to the thread, and try to keep to it?
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Ugh as I said before. It would make sense to do that due to the clone being produced! If you could get a clone to do that, you could possible have a HUGE army! Tell me thats not something anyone wants in this world. I think we can all have a bigger army. Can't we? I mean firepower, and the soldiers! No one would need to join the military again! Nor would they need to sacrifice themselves in order for saving their country! They could live in a house with kids and work in different places away from it. Of course thats what everyone thinks would be great. Sadly not everyone does, people have there own ideals I believe this would work to our advantage as a country.
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Stop.

Clones. Are. People.

They are EXACTLY the same as normal people with all the rights thereto.

The people you are going to FORCIBLY CONSCRIPT into the army are people, with the free right to choose.

Also, where in the world do you get the idea that every country having a gigantic army is somehow a good thing? All those people need somewhere to live, food to eat, water to drink etc etc.
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Stop.

Clones. Are. People.

They are EXACTLY the same as normal people with all the rights thereto.

The people you are going to FORCIBLY CONSCRIPT into the army are people, with the free right to choose.

Also, where in the world do you get the idea that every country having a gigantic army is somehow a good thing? All those people need somewhere to live, food to eat, water to drink etc etc.
I think you have the right to put this whole post in B I U Size 7 Red, just to make the point go across. =)This idea was repeated nearly infinite times, but he doesn't seem to get that CLONE=REAL HUMAN with the same everything that we have.

No one would have to join the army, huh? Clones are joining the army. They are the "ones" joining the army. For an army to exist, someone has to be joining it.
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You are correct. But having a bigger army means that you have a better chance of defending yourself against other countries in case of any disaster. Almost like World War 2. No one was prepared. No one is now. were all stuck in Iraq pretty much. What if someone pulled something on us? We'd be screwed! That is why we'd need a larger military. Plus here in Canada we don't have a HUGE navy. Were small. So if anything we'd be needing more Navy personnel. And might I also add that Clones may be human. But they, are named "Clones" For a reason. That is because they are made in a different way then what they naturally were born from. For examples if someone had a baby, it could have been something else and you put someone else strands of dna into it and make that clone, then your pretty much disrupting whatever was supposed to be born. Which is why I call them "things" or "Clones" and which is why they are named clones because they are different!
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You are, by some criteria, declaring that clones are not parallel with humans in terms of rights. Like mentioned in this thread countless times, they have their separate minds and can make the decision to be autonomous. They aren't robots, they aren't brainwashed and hypnotized by humans to do our bidding. What makes you think that we can hope to accomplish clones as our substitutes on the battlefield?

And gundams? The technology is likely, but not the physical structure of an authentic gundam. Its all about minimizing the size and increase mobility and firepower. Real life isn't like an anime where the enemy shoots a barrage which always misses and then provides enough time for a counter attack.

This might be a manifestation of the symptoms of indulging in too much anime...
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