Smoking

[jazzmosis]

Originally Posted by virus-maker

Your an idiot. You said that legalizing the drugs would encourage more crime? If drugs were legal, there would be LESS crime, because it would be cheaper and you can just buy it legally. The reason there is crime because of drugs is because its too damn expensive from illegal drug dealers, so they steal to get their drugs. If its cheaper, they wont steal, they could afford it. Actually, according to statistics, America is one of the few countries that has outlawed marijuana, but it has the highest percentage of people that have tried marijuana. Now im not saying ALL drugs should be legal, but marijuana should be legalized, taxed, regulated, and made only illegal for kids.

Kids are the ones to try it and get addicted the most. You're not going to see some 35 year old trying it for the first time too often. If they've resisted it for that long why would they bother just because it would be legal? It's legal for me to drink but does that mean I go out and buy as much booze as possible?

And by "one of the few countries that outlawed marijuana", you mean, "one of the over 70% of countries in the world". And yes crime would go up because the regulation of a previously illegal drug would be near impossible to run effectively since the drugs would pour in from all angles.

Let's not forget the fact that weed is a gateway drug. So if you make weed legal, people are more likely to move on to drugs like crack, herion, Ectasy, and so on. And then, cime would go up so people can get their addictions filled in a better way.

Nothing good can come of legalizing a NARCOTIC.

[ChEeKyGaTo]

Anti, what you discribed was a little thing i like to call FACISM! If people want to smoke, let them! Second hand smoke is just a lie the anti smoking orginizations cook up to freak people out.

[Chrissi]

It's a lie? So all these relatives who get lung cancer because people in their household smoke are lying? Hmm hmm hmmm.

I agree that everyone should be allowed to do what they want as long as it's not hurting anyone else. But there's second hand smoke. And it's NOT a lie. You can feel it, taste it, SEE it, choke on it. It's no lie. Have you ever even BEEN around other smokers while not being a smoker yourself? Smokers don't notice because they're used to it.

[emccky]

it's horrible being around other smokers when you don't smoke, the smell is disgusting and it makes me want to throw up.

[dormir]

note: this is gonna get off topic but is something thats bothering the shit out of me.

Smoking is just one of the many ways that the world proves that people are stupid.

You guys have to be careful what you say about the policies about smoking in other countries. All of your opinions are extremely western. What i mean by this is, you expect a certain lifestyles. You expect a lifestyle where you grow up, have lots of money, have a good steady job, have a family, be in good physical shape, etc. Likewise, you believe in science. When science tells you that smoking kills, you believe it to such an extend that it becomes true. Likewise, science tells you that you cannot achieve this lifestyle if you smoke. (mind you, this is kind of heavy). Now, take people in other countries with completely oposite expectations of life. People of non western culture, people who grow up with a much heavier belief in religion. Smoking is not looked down upon at all thus, it isnt even unhealthy for them to smoke it. Its a completly mental thing. it is completely ignorant of you to say that people who smoke all arround the world, are stupid becuase they all have differnt beliefs and thus, completly differnt realities. Non is more valid than the other.

[Jello]

Well, in response to your original post anti, Is it a good idea? because both of my parents were smokers. But you have to remember, Canada has the two biggest cigarette companies in the world, Players (forget the company name) and DuMuarier ldt. 2 companies ALONE bring in 2 billion dollars in tax money per year.

As you know well, My mom was "one of those people" who smoked and got cancer. Now, Breast cancer isnt exactly related to smoking, but her oncologists have told me a few times that smoking sure as hell didnt help. Think of people who are the children of smokers... one day thier parent/gaurdian got sick? went got a regular check up. Guess what?

they have cancer.

Now think how you would feel, Knowing that they were a smoker and got cancer? And some fucking law passed in of course the united states, Makes people UNEQUAL by REFUSING thier right to treatment? How would you feel knowing that your government is doing nothing to help your dying family member?

Well ill tell you this dude. And if told you before but not in the greatest detail.. that even with treatment your body literally wilts away because of cancer. And if you dont recieve treatments, its all the more brutal and horrifying. NO ONE, EVER, SHOULD HAVE THIER HEALTH CARE TAKEN AWAY.

Im sorry to say this but only an american would love this idea. And why take away someones health care when you americans have to pay for it anyways. Even if i was with this statement, i would think canada would be the first to make that kind of move because literally we pay nothing but taxes for health care.

[QreepyBORIS]

Originally Posted by jazzmosis

Nothing good can come of legalizing a NARCOTIC.

BREAKING NEWS: Marijuana is not a Narcotic. It is a depressant.

Oh, looks like you were misinformed.

[virus-maker]

yea dumbass, if i remember correctly, a narcotic is a drug that comes from opium.

[CypherToorima]

Originally Posted by virus-maker

yea dumbass, if i remember correctly, a narcotic is a drug that comes from opium.

Huzzah for unnecessary flaming -.-

To me, smoking is only really bad if you do it around other people who don't smoke. Of course, it's no good for the person who smokes, but I don't think it's fair to force someone else inhale the poison then you are exhaling. Yes, forcing. In a restaurant, the smoke gets around, and people inhale it. The only way to not inhale it besides an oxygen machine, is to not breath. Even then, you'll just pass out and start breathing again.

So boo to smoking around people who don't smoke.

[VashtheGunman7]

Well i did have a anit smoking cartoon i made in health but i turned it in. Cypher knows what i am talking about.

[JesusWaffle]

Okay, maybe someone said this before (I'm too lazy to read the whole thread), but I think you anti-smoking guys fail to comprehend the nature of an addiction. You can't just quit. It takes a herculean effort and rock-solid support to recover from an addiction, and most people don't make it. I've seen it happen. And nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs. The government is doing a fantastic job with their taxes and ad restrictions. Smoking will die out soon enough, if people stop starting. But you can't say that the people already hooked are weak-minded. They're victims and they need our support. The idea of restricting treatment is an incredibly cruel and heartless idea, and it won't work.

[GuidoHunter]

The people who want to quit, but say it's too hard or something like that are weak. There is no other excuse for it. Anybody can overcome a smoking addiction. Whether or not you do is a measure of your strength. Weak people give up.

On a relevant note, Not one minute before getting on the computer to make this post, I came into my room and found that my friend completely shaved his head. I asked him why and he said "Well, I wanted to quit smoking, so I shaved my head. I can't start back without feeling like a complete idiot for shaving my head for no reason."

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tank101]

In some countries they actually have cigarette boxes with giant letters on the front that say "SMOKING CAN CAUSE A SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH." My sisters, boyfriends, dad has one of these and shows it off to people as if it's a joke.

[dormir]

define weak

[JesusWaffle]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

The people who want to quit, but say it's too hard or something like that are weak. There is no other excuse for it. Anybody can overcome a smoking addiction. Whether or not you do is a measure of your strength. Weak people give up.

On a relevant note, Not one minute before getting on the computer to make this post, I came into my room and found that my friend completely shaved his head. I asked him why and he said "Well, I wanted to quit smoking, so I shaved my head. I can't start back without feeling like a complete idiot for shaving my head for no reason."

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

That is a lie. It has nothing to do with willpower. An addiction takes over your brain and gives you a dependency on the substance in question. You become miserable and stressed and can also suffer virulent withdrawal symptoms if you don't get a steady supply of the substance. It alters your behavior. You can't just will it away. I know what I'm talking about here.

[jewpinthethird]

Originally Posted by Tank101

In some countries they actually have cigarette boxes with giant letters on the front that say "SMOKING CAN CAUSE A SLOW AND PAINFUL DEATH." My sisters, boyfriends, dad has one of these and shows it off to people as if it's a joke.

I saw those in Europe when I went. I was thinking about buying some since 16 is the legal age to buy cigs, but they were crazy expensive.

If they made smoking illegal, then how would we be able to tell who is "cool and hip" and who are squares not. All the hardcore kids smoke. GOD I WISH IS WAS COOL ENOUGH TO SMOKE...

I also wish I was cool enough to wear girl pants like the hardcore kids.

[The_Q]

THE LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE HERE CAN BE COMPARED TO A SINGLE FRUIT FLY! SMOKING PRODUCES JUST AS MUCH AS IT CAUSES PEOPLE TO USE! Somebody gets the money, right? Smoking also promotes economic efficiency, assuming that it's not taxed up the yang. It can stimulate economic growth in the hospital, the people ridding themselves of the annoying smoke, the government( although the government should make a 0% profit every year), people ridding themselves of the habit through gums or patches or pills, etc. Smoking, like refraining from recycling, stimulates our economy past the obvious. If we instate some law to make the smokers fewer, our ascent out of our recesion will be that much slower.

And DJ's quote was insanely GOOD. He's right and I believe he should be a mod for having just that little amount of sense. Obeisity kills more than smoking, so why do we worry more about smoking? Of course, obeisity also stimulates the economy. Same sort of stuff. THINK BEFORE YOU POST!

EDIT: I know it's a double post, my comp lags. Anywho, I just want to point out that I don't smoke.

Q

[lildevilterpbaby]

so ur sayin that its more important to hav a good economy than to have healthy citizens?? and we are tryin to help obeisity but when it comes to food theres only so much u can do to influence people

[dormir]

same thing with cigs

It kinda seems like our economy is addicted to cigarettes.
This is one of the reasons i'm against legalization of marijuana. I think our economy would be too ready to latch onto it and become dependent on its income. (though i am for decriminalization).

[The_Q]

If you think that the economy would support legalization, you've got another thing coming. The economy is not "addicted" to cigarettes. We can do without, but taking the umph out of the cigarette industry is not the answer. After all, the cigarette industry powers just as many other industries as other industries.

Why won't the economy latch onto the legalized drugs? There's nothing to latch on to. The only positive side effect of legalized drugs would be fewer inmates at the local prison. No, we can't tax it to get benefits, all the money for taxes is just money that moved from one pocket to another. Police enforcement would go down, thus leaving more room for crime to surge up. Legalization will never happen, and if it does, we're all doomed.

And yes, the economy is more important than health citizens, just so long as the citizens are happy. That's another reason why cigarettes are good. Sure, there are plenty of people who hate cigarette smoke (including the people who's relatives were killed by second hand smoke) but they tend to stay away from smokers. This just makes two groups happier. He gets to smoke, she gets fresh air.

See: Bad Economics thread that I started.